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Date: 28 Nov 2006 18:58:24
From: spleenminus@yahoo.com
Subject: kegs on ebay
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These seem to be a good deal. 4 for 50$ and 30 to ship. my local shop
wants 40 to 50 WHEN they can get them.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180057119643&ssPageName=MERC_BC_RSEE_Pr4_PcY_BID_W0_IT&refitem=180055402534&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=bin_confirm&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 00:02:46
From: Phil
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:58:24 -0700, "spleenminus@yahoo.com"
<spleenminus@yahoo.com > wrote:
>These seem to be a good deal. 4 for 50$ and 30 to ship. my local shop
>wants 40 to 50 WHEN they can get them.
I'll pay a few extra bucks to visually inspect the kegs I buy.
Phil
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visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website:
http://www.hbd.org/nychg
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 08:50:45
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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Phil wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:58:24 -0700, "spleenminus@yahoo.com"
> <spleenminus@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>These seem to be a good deal. 4 for 50$ and 30 to ship. my local shop
>>wants 40 to 50 WHEN they can get them.
>
>
> I'll pay a few extra bucks to visually inspect the kegs I buy.
Where can you get them for a few extra bucks? My LBHS sells used kegs
for $34/ea. To me, $14 isn't a few. Online is the only way I can get
kegs for $20/ea around Boston. And I have yet to find any of those
free or cheap kegs at yard sales or closing stores.
--
Dan
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 11:02:58
From: Phil
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:50:45 -0500, Dan Logcher
<dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net > wrote:
>Phil wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:58:24 -0700, "spleenminus@yahoo.com"
>> <spleenminus@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>These seem to be a good deal. 4 for 50$ and 30 to ship. my local shop
>>>wants 40 to 50 WHEN they can get them.
>>
>>
>> I'll pay a few extra bucks to visually inspect the kegs I buy.
>
>Where can you get them for a few extra bucks? My LBHS sells used kegs
>for $34/ea. To me, $14 isn't a few. Online is the only way I can get
>kegs for $20/ea around Boston. And I have yet to find any of those
>free or cheap kegs at yard sales or closing stores.
I get them for $35 a piece. These are cleaned and pressure tested.
All gaskets have been replaced. If I don't like what I see, I don't
buy it.
Phil
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visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website:
http://www.hbd.org/nychg
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 16:34:36
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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Phil wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:50:45 -0500, Dan Logcher
> <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Phil wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:58:24 -0700, "spleenminus@yahoo.com"
>>><spleenminus@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>These seem to be a good deal. 4 for 50$ and 30 to ship. my local shop
>>>>wants 40 to 50 WHEN they can get them.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'll pay a few extra bucks to visually inspect the kegs I buy.
>>
>>Where can you get them for a few extra bucks? My LBHS sells used kegs
>>for $34/ea. To me, $14 isn't a few. Online is the only way I can get
>>kegs for $20/ea around Boston. And I have yet to find any of those
>>free or cheap kegs at yard sales or closing stores.
>
>
> I get them for $35 a piece. These are cleaned and pressure tested.
> All gaskets have been replaced. If I don't like what I see, I don't
> buy it.
The ones I got were clean and pressure tested. I replace the gaskets
for $2.50 if needed. The four I got from that eBay seller were in
good shape, minus the cracked rubber on two of them.. but insides were
good.
--
Dan
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 18:21:08
From: spleenminus@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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if it has cracked rubber is that cosmetic?
i'm gonna buy 4 and see how they look. what can i look for since i
dont have the kegging equipment yet? i probably will buy 4 to 6 more
before starting to keg if i get decent prices.
a friend asked my why these kegs seem to be the standard. i have no
idea so i figured i'd ask here. why? are there 5 gal alternatives? and
while i'm thinking of it, how hard is it to use a comercial pony keg
for home brew?
john
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:34:36 -0500, Dan Logcher
<dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net > wrote:
>Phil wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:50:45 -0500, Dan Logcher
>> <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Phil wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:58:24 -0700, "spleenminus@yahoo.com"
>>>><spleenminus@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>These seem to be a good deal. 4 for 50$ and 30 to ship. my local shop
>>>>>wants 40 to 50 WHEN they can get them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'll pay a few extra bucks to visually inspect the kegs I buy.
>>>
>>>Where can you get them for a few extra bucks? My LBHS sells used kegs
>>>for $34/ea. To me, $14 isn't a few. Online is the only way I can get
>>>kegs for $20/ea around Boston. And I have yet to find any of those
>>>free or cheap kegs at yard sales or closing stores.
>>
>>
>> I get them for $35 a piece. These are cleaned and pressure tested.
>> All gaskets have been replaced. If I don't like what I see, I don't
>> buy it.
>
>The ones I got were clean and pressure tested. I replace the gaskets
>for $2.50 if needed. The four I got from that eBay seller were in
>good shape, minus the cracked rubber on two of them.. but insides were
>good.
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 22:28:03
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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spleenminus@yahoo.com wrote:
> if it has cracked rubber is that cosmetic?
> i'm gonna buy 4 and see how they look. what can i look for since i
> dont have the kegging equipment yet? i probably will buy 4 to 6 more
> before starting to keg if i get decent prices.
The cracked rubber is totally cosmetic. Only two of the four kegs had
cracked rubber, one more than the other. Otherwise they are good.
I also just order 2 kegs from http://www.rcbequip.com/ which arrived
today. They are also in good condition, though a little more scuffed
on the sides than the eBay ones.
--
Dan
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 15:52:17
From: Mark R
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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"Dan Logcher" <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net > wrote in message news:456e4fc6$0
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> The cracked rubber is totally cosmetic. Only two of the four kegs had
> cracked rubber, one more than the other. Otherwise they are good.
>
> I also just order 2 kegs from http://www.rcbequip.com/ which arrived
> today. They are also in good condition, though a little more scuffed
> on the sides than the eBay ones.
I was wondering about that rcb deal, 4 kegs $66 plus shipping. It would end
up about the same as the ebay deal by my guess and from someone many here
have dealt with before.
Mark R
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 11:22:32
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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Mark R wrote:
> "Dan Logcher" <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message news:456e4fc6$0
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>>The cracked rubber is totally cosmetic. Only two of the four kegs had
>>cracked rubber, one more than the other. Otherwise they are good.
>>
>>I also just order 2 kegs from http://www.rcbequip.com/ which arrived
>>today. They are also in good condition, though a little more scuffed
>>on the sides than the eBay ones.
>
>
> I was wondering about that rcb deal, 4 kegs $66 plus shipping. It would end
> up about the same as the ebay deal by my guess and from someone many here
> have dealt with before.
I've purchased from both now.. and found them to both be acceptable.
The eBay ones had fewer scuffs on the outside, but two had minor rubber
cracking on the top around the lid. The Dicount Brewer kegs were a bit
more scuffed on the outside, but rubber is in good shape. The insides
on all of them are very good.
Both are a very good deal, though the eBay ones were a few bucks cheaper.
--
Dan
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 21:09:34
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:22:32 -0500, <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net > wrote:
> I've purchased from both now.. and found them to both be acceptable.
> The eBay ones had fewer scuffs on the outside, but two had minor rubber
> cracking on the top around the lid. The Dicount Brewer kegs were a bit
> more scuffed on the outside, but rubber is in good shape. The insides
> on all of them are very good.
Sounds pretty standard for used kegs. If you want them in perfect condition
you need to buy them new, usually at about 4X the price.
John.
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 17:46:07
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:22:32 -0500, <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>I've purchased from both now.. and found them to both be acceptable.
>>The eBay ones had fewer scuffs on the outside, but two had minor rubber
>>cracking on the top around the lid. The Dicount Brewer kegs were a bit
>>more scuffed on the outside, but rubber is in good shape. The insides
>>on all of them are very good.
>
>
> Sounds pretty standard for used kegs. If you want them in perfect condition
> you need to buy them new, usually at about 4X the price.
I'm pretty satisfied with all the kegs I've purchased online from eBay,
Brewers Discount, and Adventures in Homebrewing (the latter being the best).
I purchased 2 kegs from a gas vendor once, and one of them had many more
dings than all the others I've bought and for $5 more than the rest.
I don't need new kegs.. just would like to get ones with fewest dings and
scratches.
--
Dan
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 22:04:26
From: Phil
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:21:08 -0700, "spleenminus@yahoo.com"
<spleenminus@yahoo.com > wrote:
>a friend asked my why these kegs seem to be the standard. i have no
>idea so i figured i'd ask here. why? are there 5 gal alternatives? and
>while i'm thinking of it, how hard is it to use a comercial pony keg
>for home brew?
Corneys are popular because they hold a standard batch. There are
other sizes. I have a couple of 2.5 gallon kegs and I have seen a
couple of 10 gallon kegs (I'd kill for one of these).
Phil
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visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website:
http://www.hbd.org/nychg
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 17:44:06
From: Bob F
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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Cracked rubber is generally cosmetic. The rubber refered to
is the part that forms the handles at the top of the keg.
Cornies are very pratical for this usage. They are tough,
easy to use, and cheap because they are available used.
Bob
<spleenminus@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:sacsm21rc155hfj9vef0q42b6c3eump38c@4ax.com...
> if it has cracked rubber is that cosmetic?
> i'm gonna buy 4 and see how they look. what can i look for since i
> dont have the kegging equipment yet? i probably will buy 4 to 6 more
> before starting to keg if i get decent prices.
>
> a friend asked my why these kegs seem to be the standard. i have no
> idea so i figured i'd ask here. why? are there 5 gal alternatives? and
> while i'm thinking of it, how hard is it to use a comercial pony keg
> for home brew?
>
> john
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:34:36 -0500, Dan Logcher
> <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >Phil wrote:
> >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:50:45 -0500, Dan Logcher
> >> <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Phil wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:58:24 -0700, "spleenminus@yahoo.com"
> >>>><spleenminus@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>These seem to be a good deal. 4 for 50$ and 30 to ship. my local shop
> >>>>>wants 40 to 50 WHEN they can get them.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>I'll pay a few extra bucks to visually inspect the kegs I buy.
> >>>
> >>>Where can you get them for a few extra bucks? My LBHS sells used kegs
> >>>for $34/ea. To me, $14 isn't a few. Online is the only way I can get
> >>>kegs for $20/ea around Boston. And I have yet to find any of those
> >>>free or cheap kegs at yard sales or closing stores.
> >>
> >>
> >> I get them for $35 a piece. These are cleaned and pressure tested.
> >> All gaskets have been replaced. If I don't like what I see, I don't
> >> buy it.
> >
> >The ones I got were clean and pressure tested. I replace the gaskets
> >for $2.50 if needed. The four I got from that eBay seller were in
> >good shape, minus the cracked rubber on two of them.. but insides were
> >good.
>
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 23:51:48
From: George
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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spleenminus@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> a friend asked my why these kegs seem to be the standard.
Cornies are the standard for home brewers because they are a handy size
and have a large opening. No special equipment is necessary for filling
or cleaning them.
> are there 5 gal alternatives?
I've never had a reason to check into the availability of other 5 gal
systems. In the U.S. cornies are the standard and are relatively easy
to obtain and service. I believe the home brewers in the U.K. use a
different system.
> how hard is it to use a comercial pony keg
> for home brew?
I'll assume you mean Sanke kegs. They are difficult-to-impossible to
fill and clean without equipment that most home brewers do not have.
George
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 08:58:13
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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George wrote:
>
> I've never had a reason to check into the availability of other 5 gal
> systems. In the U.S. cornies are the standard and are relatively easy
> to obtain and service. I believe the home brewers in the U.K. use a
> different system.
So if Cornies are being phased out of the soda industry, how long will it
be before we cannot get parts for them? O-rings won't be a problem, but
poppets, relief valves, posts, lids and dip tubes seem pretty specific
to this application.
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Dan
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 10:07:36
From: Phil
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:58:13 -0500, Dan Logcher
<dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net > wrote:
>So if Cornies are being phased out of the soda industry, how long will it
>be before we cannot get parts for them? O-rings won't be a problem, but
>poppets, relief valves, posts, lids and dip tubes seem pretty specific
>to this application.
Since companies are still making new ones, I wouldn't worry about
getting the parts. If you're concerned, you can always pick up a few
pieces at you LHBS and hold onto them should you need them.
Phil
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visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website:
http://www.hbd.org/nychg
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 10:35:19
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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Phil wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:58:13 -0500, Dan Logcher
> <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>So if Cornies are being phased out of the soda industry, how long will it
>>be before we cannot get parts for them? O-rings won't be a problem, but
>>poppets, relief valves, posts, lids and dip tubes seem pretty specific
>>to this application.
>
>
> Since companies are still making new ones, I wouldn't worry about
> getting the parts. If you're concerned, you can always pick up a few
> pieces at you LHBS and hold onto them should you need them.
Oh they still are? Sorry, I thought they had stopped making them
and were just selling off stock.
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Dan
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 00:20:13
From: Gwidman
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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"Phil" <dogglebe@yahoooo.com > wrote in message
news:sqstm2t2up74ok6uk81fjns9bocpeu8ipf@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:58:13 -0500, Dan Logcher
> <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>So if Cornies are being phased out of the soda industry, how long will it
>>be before we cannot get parts for them? O-rings won't be a problem, but
>>poppets, relief valves, posts, lids and dip tubes seem pretty specific
>>to this application.
>
> Since companies are still making new ones, I wouldn't worry about
> getting the parts. If you're concerned, you can always pick up a few
> pieces at you LHBS and hold onto them should you need them.
>
>
> Phil
> ======
> visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website:
> http://www.hbd.org/nychg
Cornys are being phased out in this country and are being replaced by
plastic. But, alas, the soda markets have penetrated China, and they insist
on stainless steel (cornys) for their soda, according to people I have
talked to at Sabco. That will make cornys scarce and expensive very
shortly. The Chinese are also buying up all the stainless steel they can
get their hands on at top dollar, in addition to other steel, making the
price of used kegs go up, and driving up the price of newly manufactured
kegs. I would suggest you buy all the kegs you need asap. In a few months
there may not be any used kegs available.
Gary
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 17:01:43
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 00:20:13 -0500, <gwidman@bellsouth.net > wrote:
> Cornys are being phased out in this country and are being replaced by
> plastic. But, alas, the soda markets have penetrated China, and they insist
> on stainless steel (cornys) for their soda, according to people I have
> talked to at Sabco. That will make cornys scarce and expensive very
> shortly. The Chinese are also buying up all the stainless steel they can
> get their hands on at top dollar, in addition to other steel, making the
> price of used kegs go up, and driving up the price of newly manufactured
> kegs. I would suggest you buy all the kegs you need asap. In a few months
> there may not be any used kegs available.
These rumors have been going around for years now, I haven't seen it
happen yet (IE drastic price increases, or no more kegs being available).
John.
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 00:33:39
From: Bob F
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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"Gwidman" <gwidman@bellsouth.net > wrote in message
news:%XObh.8339$f8.4991@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Phil" <dogglebe@yahoooo.com> wrote in message
> news:sqstm2t2up74ok6uk81fjns9bocpeu8ipf@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:58:13 -0500, Dan Logcher
> > <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>So if Cornies are being phased out of the soda industry, how long will
it
> >>be before we cannot get parts for them? O-rings won't be a problem, but
> >>poppets, relief valves, posts, lids and dip tubes seem pretty specific
> >>to this application.
> >
> > Since companies are still making new ones, I wouldn't worry about
> > getting the parts. If you're concerned, you can always pick up a few
> > pieces at you LHBS and hold onto them should you need them.
> >
> >
> > Phil
> > ======
> > visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website:
> > http://www.hbd.org/nychg
>
> Cornys are being phased out in this country and are being replaced by
> plastic. But, alas, the soda markets have penetrated China, and they
insist
> on stainless steel (cornys) for their soda, according to people I have
> talked to at Sabco. That will make cornys scarce and expensive very
> shortly. The Chinese are also buying up all the stainless steel they can
> get their hands on at top dollar, in addition to other steel, making the
> price of used kegs go up, and driving up the price of newly manufactured
> kegs. I would suggest you buy all the kegs you need asap. In a few
months
> there may not be any used kegs available.
It seems like we've been hearing stories like this for at least a few years.
Bob
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 16:40:16
From: Mark R
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com > wrote in message
>
> It seems like we've been hearing stories like this for at least a few
> years.
>
It may not be happening as fast as the doom-sayer's predict but there must
be some truth to it because you could get kegs for $10 bucks a year ago.
Mark R
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 19:17:40
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:40:16 GMT, <mray001@nospam.rr.com > wrote:
>
> "Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> It seems like we've been hearing stories like this for at least a few
>> years.
>>
>
> It may not be happening as fast as the doom-sayer's predict but there must
> be some truth to it because you could get kegs for $10 bucks a year ago.
That price seems really low for a year ago. I remember 2-3 years ago
you could get kegs from rcbequip (generally considered to have good
prices) for $14. Now they have two kegs for $33, aka $16.50 each. That's
not much of an increase over several years, probably just normal inflation.
John.
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 15:34:47
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:40:16 GMT, <mray001@nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>It seems like we've been hearing stories like this for at least a few
>>>years.
>>>
>>
>>It may not be happening as fast as the doom-sayer's predict but there must
>>be some truth to it because you could get kegs for $10 bucks a year ago.
>
>
> That price seems really low for a year ago. I remember 2-3 years ago
> you could get kegs from rcbequip (generally considered to have good
> prices) for $14. Now they have two kegs for $33, aka $16.50 each. That's
> not much of an increase over several years, probably just normal inflation.
Actually, I remember $12.50 from rcbequip a year ago.
--
Dan
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 20:47:08
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 15:34:47 -0500, <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net > wrote:
> John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:40:16 GMT, <mray001@nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>It seems like we've been hearing stories like this for at least a few
>>>>years.
>>>>
>>>
>>>It may not be happening as fast as the doom-sayer's predict but there must
>>>be some truth to it because you could get kegs for $10 bucks a year ago.
>>
>>
>> That price seems really low for a year ago. I remember 2-3 years ago
>> you could get kegs from rcbequip (generally considered to have good
>> prices) for $14. Now they have two kegs for $33, aka $16.50 each. That's
>> not much of an increase over several years, probably just normal inflation.
>
> Actually, I remember $12.50 from rcbequip a year ago.
It could be that their prices just fluctuate both up and down every once
in awhile. I don't see any major shortages or huge spikes though, like
some sources have been predicting. IE, I've seen people saying "they'll
all be gone in a few months" for at least a couple years.
John.
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 14:39:24
From: Mark R
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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"John 'Shaggy' Kolesar" <spam@shagg.net > wrote in message
>>
>> Actually, I remember $12.50 from rcbequip a year ago.
>
> It could be that their prices just fluctuate both up and down every once
> in awhile. I don't see any major shortages or huge spikes though, like
> some sources have been predicting. IE, I've seen people saying "they'll
> all be gone in a few months" for at least a couple years.
I was watching rcbequip too they had a special for $10 but it didn't last
long. Wanted to buy them then but knew they'd sit around the house empty. It
might be interesting to keep an eye on the price, even if it's only been a
30% rise in price over the last 5 years I'd have to believe that's more than
the inflation rate. Either way they are still a good price for something
that should last my life time.
Mark R
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 01:28:12
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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Gwidman wrote:
> Cornys are being phased out in this country and are being replaced by
> plastic. But, alas, the soda markets have penetrated China, and they insist
> on stainless steel (cornys) for their soda, according to people I have
> talked to at Sabco. That will make cornys scarce and expensive very
> shortly. The Chinese are also buying up all the stainless steel they can
> get their hands on at top dollar, in addition to other steel, making the
> price of used kegs go up, and driving up the price of newly manufactured
> kegs. I would suggest you buy all the kegs you need asap. In a few months
> there may not be any used kegs available.
Switching to plastic kegs? Are you serious?
I don't see all the kegs leaving the US that quickly. In a year or two, yeah
sure. I've got fifteen 5 gallon kegs and seven 3 gallons. I think I'm in good
shape. Only thing I'll need is spare parts..
--
Dan
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 02:27:28
From: Gwidman
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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"Dan Logcher" <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:456fcb80$0$570$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...
> Gwidman wrote:
>> Cornys are being phased out in this country and are being replaced by
>> plastic. But, alas, the soda markets have penetrated China, and they
>> insist on stainless steel (cornys) for their soda, according to people I
>> have talked to at Sabco. That will make cornys scarce and expensive very
>> shortly. The Chinese are also buying up all the stainless steel they can
>> get their hands on at top dollar, in addition to other steel, making the
>> price of used kegs go up, and driving up the price of newly manufactured
>> kegs. I would suggest you buy all the kegs you need asap. In a few
>> months there may not be any used kegs available.
>
> Switching to plastic kegs? Are you serious?
>
> I don't see all the kegs leaving the US that quickly. In a year or two,
> yeah
> sure. I've got fifteen 5 gallon kegs and seven 3 gallons. I think I'm in
> good
> shape. Only thing I'll need is spare parts..
>
> --
> Dan
Dan,
I hope you're right, but I see 300 series stainless steel, in addition to
other stainless, and most other steels leaving this country in huge amounts
because Chinese buyers will pay over market values for it. This drives up
the prices in this country, and makes it expensive everywhere. It'll
trickle down to the cornys we buy. Budweiser now pays $125 for each keg
they buy from their manufacturers. Look for the price of manufactured beer
to go up. (It never goes down.) Like I said, buy your kegs and cornys now,
the price will only go up and these days will be considered the good old
days of cheap cornys and kegs. Or you could just wait a while and see what
happens.
Gary
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 09:55:03
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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Gwidman wrote:
> I hope you're right, but I see 300 series stainless steel, in addition to
> other stainless, and most other steels leaving this country in huge amounts
> because Chinese buyers will pay over market values for it. This drives up
> the prices in this country, and makes it expensive everywhere. It'll
> trickle down to the cornys we buy. Budweiser now pays $125 for each keg
> they buy from their manufacturers. Look for the price of manufactured beer
> to go up. (It never goes down.) Like I said, buy your kegs and cornys now,
> the price will only go up and these days will be considered the good old
> days of cheap cornys and kegs. Or you could just wait a while and see what
> happens.
Prices will always go up.. its not like before when there was a glut of kegs.
But I've been watching prices for over a year and haven't seen that sharp of
an increase. I think I have enough for now.. unless I see the price dip or
someone gives them away.
--
Dan
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 07:52:49
From: Phil
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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On Sat, 2 Dec 2006 02:27:28 -0500, "Gwidman" <gwidman@bellsouth.net >
wrote:
> Budweiser now pays $125 for each keg they buy from their manufacturers.
$125??
I spoke with a micro brewer not too long ago. He told me he pays
about eighty for his kegs and he buys them four at a time.
Phil
======
visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website:
http://www.hbd.org/nychg
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 21:04:00
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 07:52:49 -0500, <dogglebe@yahoooo.com > wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Dec 2006 02:27:28 -0500, "Gwidman" <gwidman@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>> Budweiser now pays $125 for each keg they buy from their manufacturers.
>
> $125??
>
> I spoke with a micro brewer not too long ago. He told me he pays
> about eighty for his kegs and he buys them four at a time.
Are we all talking about the same kegs? Budweiser most likely is buying
1/2b Sankey kegs, and $125 sounds about right for those. But, it's been
about that much for a long time. $80 sounds about right for a brand new
corny keg.
John.
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 23:53:05
From: Gwidman
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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"George" <mattoleriver@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:o9udnS_3abwGEPPYnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@scnresearch.com...
> spleenminus@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>
>> a friend asked my why these kegs seem to be the standard.
>
> Cornies are the standard for home brewers because they are a handy size
> and have a large opening. No special equipment is necessary for filling
> or cleaning them.
>
>> are there 5 gal alternatives?
>
> I've never had a reason to check into the availability of other 5 gal
> systems. In the U.S. cornies are the standard and are relatively easy to
> obtain and service. I believe the home brewers in the U.K. use a
> different system.
>
>> how hard is it to use a comercial pony keg
>> for home brew?
>
> I'll assume you mean Sanke kegs. They are difficult-to-impossible to fill
> and clean without equipment that most home brewers do not have.
>
> George
If you already have a sankey keg cooler set-up, you can get corneys from
Sabco (kegs.com) with the sankey valve welded in for about $60.
Gary
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 20:25:16
From: Scott Lindner
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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> if it has cracked rubber is that cosmetic?
I had the entire bottom rubber piece pull off a keg once. I used epoxy and
it hasn't been a problem since. Cosmetic? Sure, it looked awful when it
was off. Functional? Completely. Compare to brand new prices, and you'll
be happy with a few cosmetic defects.
To be honest though, if they aren't in perfect shape, I think they have to
let you know they have cosmetic defects. Otherwise you could complain.
Every one of my kegs has dings and scatches in them. Those are cosmetic
defects and I could care less. Of course, I did average around $6/keg for
all of my kegs, so I'm not complaining at all. Wish I could go back and buy
more. I only have 13 kegs. Wish I had about 30.
Cheers,
Scott
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 21:06:16
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:21:08 -0700, <spleenminus@yahoo.com > wrote:
> if it has cracked rubber is that cosmetic?
Pretty much. The only real purpose the rubber serves is to keep the
keg from falling over. The actual metal part is usually rounded on
both ends, the rubber gives it a flat surface to sit on and handles on
the top for carrying.
> a friend asked my why these kegs seem to be the standard. i have no
> idea so i figured i'd ask here. why? are there 5 gal alternatives?
They were manufactured in large quantities for the soda market (Coke, Pepsi,
etc). Homebrewers just started using them because there were a lot of
used ones around and it was relatively easy/cheap to get them. I would
guess that if Coke/Pepsi had used a different style of keg, that's what
we'd all be using too. I don't know of any other 5 gallon alternatives
that are easily available, but I could be wrong.
> and while i'm thinking of it, how hard is it to use a comercial pony keg
> for home brew?
It's relatively easy to hook commercial kegs up to a tap. The difficult
part about using them for homebrew is cleaning. Corny kegs have a lid that
comes off, so you can get inside them without much trouble. Most commercial
kegs don't open nearly as easily, and if you can get them open it's just
a very small hole. Commercial breweries use really strong chemicals for
cleaning, which isn't as practical for homebrewers. They also tend to
be much more expensive than corny kegs. With all that said, there are
probably a few homebrewers who use them instead of corny kegs. It's
certainly possible, just usually not as economical/convenient.
John.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 22:44:49
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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spleenminus@yahoo.com wrote:
> These seem to be a good deal. 4 for 50$ and 30 to ship. my local shop
> wants 40 to 50 WHEN they can get them.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180057119643&ssPageName=MERC_BC_RSEE_Pr4_PcY_BID_W0_IT&refitem=180055402534&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=bin_confirm&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget
Yeah, I bought 4 for $50 + $30 shipping. The guy had a lot of 1000 kegs to sell.
Two of the kegs had cracked, aged rubber around the lid. Otherwise they were good
kegs, though not the best kegs I've purchased online.
--
Dan
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 19:01:49
From: JoeyB
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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Probably hot.
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 18:32:53
From: spleenminus@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay---what about these?
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http://www.kegs.com/16thbbl.html
are they usable for the homebrewer? i didnt see a price, are they
expensive?
On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:58:24 -0700, "spleenminus@yahoo.com"
<spleenminus@yahoo.com > wrote:
>These seem to be a good deal. 4 for 50$ and 30 to ship. my local shop
>wants 40 to 50 WHEN they can get them.
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180057119643&ssPageName=MERC_BC_RSEE_Pr4_PcY_BID_W0_IT&refitem=180055402534&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=bin_confirm&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 21:24:04
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay---what about these?
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:32:53 -0700, <spleenminus@yahoo.com > wrote:
> http://www.kegs.com/16thbbl.html
>
> are they usable for the homebrewer? i didnt see a price, are they
> expensive?
That's basically a commercial keg. I'd assume they're relatively
expensive (compared to a corny keg). Also notice that instead of a
removable lid they have a Sanke fitting, which means that it's more
difficult to open the keg, and when you do get it open you've only
got a small hole to work with. It makes it much more difficult to
clean the kegs.
John.
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 09:34:14
From: Jeff
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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Mark R wrote:
> I was wondering about that rcb deal, 4 kegs $66 plus shipping. It would end
> up about the same as the ebay deal by my guess and from someone many here
> have dealt with before.
I ordered 4 from rcb recently and chose to get reconditioned kegs,
since the cost of the individual parts was substantially less than just
letting them put them on the keg. They replace all seals, poppets, and
the relief valve. After I ordered, I expected a delay of a week or two,
but it was 3 weeks before I got the kegs. I eventually had to ask (via
email and their voicemail) what was going on.... no reply. So I waited
another week, asked again... no reply. So a day or so later, I left a
message that I'd cancel my order the next day if I didn't hear back
from them. I didn't hear back from them, but it shipped the next day
anyway. I would not have minded the delay if I was at least able to get
some acknowledgment that they were getting my message and that the
order wasn't lost.
As for the kegs - all nice new rubber and they were in good shape.
Scratches and such of course, but nothing major with the kegs
themselves or the seals. However, the poppets are garbage - or at least
they seem to be in my limited experience. I have a couple other kegs I
got and they have nice beefy poppets (apparently there are two types).
These kegs use the smaller type, and a very cheap variety of them. The
poppet spring is held onto a shaft by a washer, behind which the shaft
is mushroomed to hold it in place. However, the mushrooming is
inadequate - almost non-existent- and I already have had a couple of
the poppets come apart during cleaning. At some point, I'll do
something to "fix" the poppets, but for now, I have a few extra if any
fall apart. OTOH, this may just be the nature of this type of poppet. I
got a couple from my LHBS and they were the same.
I will probably just get kegs from my LHBS instead next time, since
they will at least be pretty close in price once you calculate in the
shipping. I'd also be able to look at the keg and poppet type first
before getting them. The only reason I went with rcbequip was because
my LHBS only had the metal-topped kegs at the time, and I like the
rubber-topped ones better.
I don't recommend or discourage using rcbequip, but thought I'd pipe in
about my (only) experience with them. In the end, I got what I ordered.
--Jeff
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 13:31:02
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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Jeff wrote:
> Mark R wrote:
>
>>I was wondering about that rcb deal, 4 kegs $66 plus shipping. It would end
>>up about the same as the ebay deal by my guess and from someone many here
>>have dealt with before.
>
>
> I ordered 4 from rcb recently and chose to get reconditioned kegs,
> since the cost of the individual parts was substantially less than just
> letting them put them on the keg. They replace all seals, poppets, and
> the relief valve. After I ordered, I expected a delay of a week or two,
> but it was 3 weeks before I got the kegs. I eventually had to ask (via
> email and their voicemail) what was going on.... no reply. So I waited
> another week, asked again... no reply. So a day or so later, I left a
> message that I'd cancel my order the next day if I didn't hear back
> from them. I didn't hear back from them, but it shipped the next day
> anyway. I would not have minded the delay if I was at least able to get
> some acknowledgment that they were getting my message and that the
> order wasn't lost.
This is not the first time I've heard people complain about the lack
of communication from them(him). I had to call once on a small order,
and he sent it out the next day.
> As for the kegs - all nice new rubber and they were in good shape.
> Scratches and such of course, but nothing major with the kegs
> themselves or the seals. However, the poppets are garbage - or at least
> they seem to be in my limited experience. I have a couple other kegs I
> got and they have nice beefy poppets (apparently there are two types).
> These kegs use the smaller type, and a very cheap variety of them. The
> poppet spring is held onto a shaft by a washer, behind which the shaft
> is mushroomed to hold it in place. However, the mushrooming is
> inadequate - almost non-existent- and I already have had a couple of
> the poppets come apart during cleaning. At some point, I'll do
> something to "fix" the poppets, but for now, I have a few extra if any
> fall apart. OTOH, this may just be the nature of this type of poppet. I
> got a couple from my LHBS and they were the same.
You mean poppets like the ones on the right?
http://web.iwebcenters.com/brewersdiscount/images/poppets.JPG
I ordered new Cornelius posts and expected the poppets on the
left. Instead they sent the ones on the right and said they
were better. Bah!
There's three types http://www.northernbrewer.com/pics/fullsize/poppets.jpg
which match http://www.northernbrewer.com/pics/fullsize/keg-posts.jpg
So the poppet should have matched the post. The ones they sent worked,
but don't seem very beefy to me.
> I will probably just get kegs from my LHBS instead next time, since
> they will at least be pretty close in price once you calculate in the
> shipping. I'd also be able to look at the keg and poppet type first
> before getting them. The only reason I went with rcbequip was because
> my LHBS only had the metal-topped kegs at the time, and I like the
> rubber-topped ones better.
I wish my LHBS was close for prices.. it just doesn't work out that
way.
--
Dan
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 21:16:08
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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On 30 Nov 2006 09:34:14 -0800, <jjhenze@gmail.com > wrote:
> As for the kegs - all nice new rubber and they were in good shape.
> Scratches and such of course, but nothing major with the kegs
> themselves or the seals. However, the poppets are garbage - or at least
> they seem to be in my limited experience. I have a couple other kegs I
> got and they have nice beefy poppets (apparently there are two types).
> These kegs use the smaller type, and a very cheap variety of them. The
> poppet spring is held onto a shaft by a washer, behind which the shaft
> is mushroomed to hold it in place. However, the mushrooming is
> inadequate - almost non-existent- and I already have had a couple of
> the poppets come apart during cleaning.
Functionally, I don't think it makes much difference. When the post
is screwed onto the keg, the poppets should not be able to come out. I
usually intentionally take the poppets out when I'm cleaning the keg.
Otherwise they tend to get dirty and eventually start having trouble sealing
because of residue build up on the rubber seal.
John.
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Date: 30 Nov 2006 13:56:42
From: Chris
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay---what about these?
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On Nov 30, 3:24 pm, John 'Shaggy' Kolesar <s...@shagg.net > wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:32:53 -0700, <spleenmi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >http://www.kegs.com/16thbbl.html
>
> > are they usable for the homebrewer? i didnt see a price, are they
> > expensive?That's basically a commercial keg. I'd assume they're relatively
> expensive (compared to a corny keg). Also notice that instead of a
> removable lid they have a Sanke fitting, which means that it's more
> difficult to open the keg, and when you do get it open you've only
> got a small hole to work with. It makes it much more difficult to
> clean the kegs.
>
> John.
Also, if there is any pressure in the keg when you work the snap ring
out of the opening your apt to end up with the inner stem of the keg
somewhere in the ceiling, hopefully you'll still have all of your
fingers attached and all of your blood is still inside you. There is a
special tool that pushes down on the insert while you remove the snap
ring, and replacement lock rings (http://kegman.net/keg_kit.htm) that
are easier to remove are available.
Sabco www.kegs.com sells both new and reconditioned sankey type kegs
like this 5 G one: http://www.kegs.com/16thbbl.html
I have never purchased from them so I can't talk about their service
but they are, as far as I know, one of the few legitimate retailers of
reconditioned sankey kegs. They also sell corny kegs that are modified
to use sankey type taps.
here are some instructions for opening a sankey keg:
http://home.insightbb.com/~benschoep/keg/sankey.htm however it can be
quite dangerous and I don't recommend it.
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 05:44:44
From: Jeff
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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Dan Logcher wrote:
> You mean poppets like the ones on the right?
> http://web.iwebcenters.com/brewersdiscount/images/poppets.JPG
> I ordered new Cornelius posts and expected the poppets on the
> left. Instead they sent the ones on the right and said they
> were better. Bah!
Same here - was expecting the ones on the left (like my kegs from the
LHBS had) but got the ones on the right; and found they were not
interchangeable.
> There's three types http://www.northernbrewer.com/pics/fullsize/poppets.jpg
> which match http://www.northernbrewer.com/pics/fullsize/keg-posts.jpg
> So the poppet should have matched the post. The ones they sent worked,
> but don't seem very beefy to me.
I don't have my keg in front of me right now, but in the picture you
link to above showing the 3 poppets, mine look like the outside ones,
except they have a very thin shaft, not thick like in the picture. The
problem is where the shaft meets the three-legged metal washer on the
bottom. My poppets have a yellow seal, but it is very thin.
I'm new to kegging, so this is all just part of the learning curve, and
even though I have some poppets that I'll eventually want to replace
(or fix, or just be very careful with), I still now have 6 good kegs,
and one "parts" keg, and a stack of spare parts (including poppets).
Next time I'll check the poppet type though to try and get the beefy
one if it's available.
--Jeff
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Date: 01 Dec 2006 10:08:00
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: kegs on ebay
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Jeff wrote:
> Dan Logcher wrote:
>
>>You mean poppets like the ones on the right?
>>http://web.iwebcenters.com/brewersdiscount/images/poppets.JPG
>>I ordered new Cornelius posts and expected the poppets on the
>>left. Instead they sent the ones on the right and said they
>>were better. Bah!
>
>
> Same here - was expecting the ones on the left (like my kegs from the
> LHBS had) but got the ones on the right; and found they were not
> interchangeable.
Depends on the post.
>>There's three types http://www.northernbrewer.com/pics/fullsize/poppets.jpg
>>which match http://www.northernbrewer.com/pics/fullsize/keg-posts.jpg
>>So the poppet should have matched the post. The ones they sent worked,
>>but don't seem very beefy to me.
>
>
> I don't have my keg in front of me right now, but in the picture you
> link to above showing the 3 poppets, mine look like the outside ones,
> except they have a very thin shaft, not thick like in the picture. The
> problem is where the shaft meets the three-legged metal washer on the
> bottom. My poppets have a yellow seal, but it is very thin.
The two on the outside are different from one another. The one of the
right is a bit talller than the one on the left. They match the post fitting
from the other picture. I don't think I have any of the right side posts,
just the other two mixed around.
> I'm new to kegging, so this is all just part of the learning curve, and
> even though I have some poppets that I'll eventually want to replace
> (or fix, or just be very careful with), I still now have 6 good kegs,
> and one "parts" keg, and a stack of spare parts (including poppets).
> Next time I'll check the poppet type though to try and get the beefy
> one if it's available.
There's 5 different types of cornie kegs, Firestone and Spartan being the
most common. Some of the fittings will not work on the other types.
Check out MDixon's pages http://www.ipass.net/mpdixon/KegThreadSizes.htm
about this.
--
Dan
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