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Date: 04 Nov 2006 19:35:29
From: Tony M
Subject: bolt-on carboy handle question
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Has anyone ever used a bolt-on carboy handle with a full carboy? Sure it's
not recommended but people do lots of things everyday, successfully, that
are not recommended. The reason I ask is because I would like some way to
have good positive control over a full carboy when moving it around without
the risk of ripping/breacing the neck off. Especially if it's a little wet
and slippery. Who uses one while also supporting the bottom? Who just grabs
the handle and carries it like a bucket? Thanks, Tony
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Date: 04 Nov 2006 20:39:46
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Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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Andy H. <andys_junk_address at yahoo dot com > wrote:
> Yep, do it all the time..just grab it by the handle and pick it up.
> Of course, make sure that the wingnut is tightened sufficiently that
> it won't slip off the neck.
>
>
> --
> Andy H.
>
>
> On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 19:35:29 -0800, "Tony M" <fakeemail@null.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Has anyone ever used a bolt-on carboy handle with a full carboy? Sure it's
> >not recommended but people do lots of things everyday, successfully, that
> >are not recommended. The reason I ask is because I would like some way to
> >have good positive control over a full carboy when moving it around without
> >the risk of ripping/breacing the neck off. Especially if it's a little wet
> >and slippery. Who uses one while also supporting the bottom? Who just grabs
> >the handle and carries it like a bucket? Thanks, Tony
> >
The first, and last, time I tried that I got some really cute spiral
stress fractures in the neck. It still works, but I never carry it by
the handle any more. I just use it to get a good stable hold on it
while holding it by the bottom.
Bryan
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Date: 05 Nov 2006 03:42:41
From: Andy H.
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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Yep, do it all the time..just grab it by the handle and pick it up.
Of course, make sure that the wingnut is tightened sufficiently that
it won't slip off the neck.
--
Andy H.
On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 19:35:29 -0800, "Tony M" <fakeemail@null.com >
wrote:
>Has anyone ever used a bolt-on carboy handle with a full carboy? Sure it's
>not recommended but people do lots of things everyday, successfully, that
>are not recommended. The reason I ask is because I would like some way to
>have good positive control over a full carboy when moving it around without
>the risk of ripping/breacing the neck off. Especially if it's a little wet
>and slippery. Who uses one while also supporting the bottom? Who just grabs
>the handle and carries it like a bucket? Thanks, Tony
>
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 18:29:25
From: Andy H
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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Well Tony, it sounds like a case of "it hasn't happened to me *yet*."
After reading the replies here, I'm no longer going to use my carboy
handles.
--
Andy H.
On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 03:42:41 GMT, "Andy H. <andys_junk_address at
yahoo dot com >" <nospam@myaccount.net> wrote:
>Yep, do it all the time..just grab it by the handle and pick it up.
>Of course, make sure that the wingnut is tightened sufficiently that
>it won't slip off the neck.
--
Andy H.
"Clean up your workspace or Die..."
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 22:31:42
From: Tony M
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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"Andy H <andys_junk_address at yahoo dot com >" <nospam@myaccount.net> wrote
in message news:3mvuk2pv05pc1k4q2ep348i8bin2cp0p58@4ax.com...
> Well Tony, it sounds like a case of "it hasn't happened to me *yet*."
> After reading the replies here, I'm no longer going to use my carboy
> handles.
>
>
> --
> Andy H.
>
> On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 03:42:41 GMT, "Andy H. <andys_junk_address at
> yahoo dot com>" <nospam@myaccount.net> wrote:
>
>>Yep, do it all the time..just grab it by the handle and pick it up.
>>Of course, make sure that the wingnut is tightened sufficiently that
>>it won't slip off the neck.
> --
> Andy H.
> "Clean up your workspace or Die..."
I agree with you, I wouldn't want to risk it. I think I like the milk crate
idea from "fstbttms" better. That was one of those "why didn't I think of
that" ideas. Thanks everybody for all the tips.
Tony
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Date: 05 Nov 2006 13:07:19
From: Artarius
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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I just use a plastic milk crate pilfered from a dumpster. It sets inside,
has handles on the side, and the bottom buffers any breakage.
"Tony M" <fakeemail@null.com > wrote in message
news:BZSdnZJYJazgwdDYnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Has anyone ever used a bolt-on carboy handle with a full carboy? Sure it's
> not recommended but people do lots of things everyday, successfully, that
> are not recommended. The reason I ask is because I would like some way to
> have good positive control over a full carboy when moving it around
> without the risk of ripping/breacing the neck off. Especially if it's a
> little wet and slippery. Who uses one while also supporting the bottom?
> Who just grabs the handle and carries it like a bucket? Thanks, Tony
>
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Date: 05 Nov 2006 10:39:40
From: Stoutman
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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"Tony M" <fakeemail@null.com > wrote in
news:BZSdnZJYJazgwdDYnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@comcast.com:
> Has anyone ever used a bolt-on carboy handle with a full carboy? Sure
> it's not recommended but people do lots of things everyday,
> successfully, that are not recommended. The reason I ask is because I
> would like some way to have good positive control over a full carboy
> when moving it around without the risk of ripping/breacing the neck
> off. Especially if it's a little wet and slippery. Who uses one while
> also supporting the bottom? Who just grabs the handle and carries it
> like a bucket? Thanks, Tony
>
>
I carry empties like a bucket using the handle and I use it to help
stabilize and maintain positive control of a full one. Like you said,
hold it by the bottom with one hand on the handle to help control it.
Many years ago I used to carry them by the handle when they were full and
I think I got really lucky that none of them broke. Maybe it's because I
only did it a few times (I was a n00b) so statistically speaking I
skimmed by but I think over time, had I kept doing it I certainly
would've broken a carboy and what a helluva mess that would've been.
My take is this; the unbelievable mess of 5+ gallons spilled beer/wort
plus the hazard of all that broken glass is enough to make me be very
cautious around my glass carboys. I'm not going to tempt fate on that
one... and I wouldn't *recommend* anybody else does either. :) I've
heard enough horror stories about other people's broken carboys to
consider moving to 'better bottles' or ... conical fermenters... when
$$$ and SWMBO permit. :)
BTW, anybody have any comments about the 'better bottles'? My LHBS
carries them and I was wondering if anybody else has had any experience
with them.
Thanks,
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 16:39:28
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 10:39:40 GMT, <jynnxt@g > wrote:
> BTW, anybody have any comments about the 'better bottles'? My LHBS
> carries them and I was wondering if anybody else has had any experience
> with them.
Personally, I think they're way overpriced. If you are concerned about the
safety of glass carboys, just go with plastic bucket fermenters. They'll
do the same job and are a lot cheaper than the "better bottles".
John.
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Date: 08 Nov 2006 08:43:47
From: Stoutman
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar <spam@shagg.net > wrote in
news:slrnekupip.5f0.spam@weizen.shagg.net:
> On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 10:39:40 GMT, <jynnxt@g> wrote:
>> BTW, anybody have any comments about the 'better bottles'? My LHBS
>> carries them and I was wondering if anybody else has had any
>> experience with them.
>
> Personally, I think they're way overpriced. If you are concerned
> about the safety of glass carboys, just go with plastic bucket
> fermenters. They'll do the same job and are a lot cheaper than the
> "better bottles".
>
>
> John.
Yeah, they're about the same price as the glass ones. Definitely
overpriced. I think they do the whole, "they're a tiny bit cheaper but
a whole lot safer" type gig. I don't buy it and if they are no better
than a bucket I'll probably just stick with the glass ones I already own
until I am stupid enough to go conical. :)
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Date: 08 Nov 2006 16:05:31
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 08:43:47 GMT, <jynnxt@g > wrote:
> Yeah, they're about the same price as the glass ones. Definitely
> overpriced. I think they do the whole, "they're a tiny bit cheaper but
> a whole lot safer" type gig. I don't buy it and if they are no better
> than a bucket I'll probably just stick with the glass ones I already own
> until I am stupid enough to go conical. :)
The plain "better bottle" is about the same as a glass carboy, but if you
wanted one with a spigot on it like a bucket has, you'll end up spending
a fortune (basically double the price of a glass carboy).
Personally I don't see the point, but I guess there are people out there
that buy them.
John.
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Date: 05 Nov 2006 09:19:18
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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Tony M <fakeemail@null.com > wrote:
> Has anyone ever used a bolt-on carboy handle with a full carboy? Sure it's
> not recommended but people do lots of things everyday, successfully, that
> are not recommended. The reason I ask is because I would like some way to
> have good positive control over a full carboy when moving it around without
> the risk of ripping/breacing the neck off. Especially if it's a little wet
> and slippery. Who uses one while also supporting the bottom? Who just grabs
> the handle and carries it like a bucket? Thanks, Tony
I have them on two 3-gal carboys which I will pick up and carry
like a bucket. It would never cross my mind to do that with a
5 to 6.5 gal carboy. I have a carboy lifter for that purpose.
Dick
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Date: 05 Nov 2006 20:16:51
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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Dick Adams wrote:
> Tony M <fakeemail@null.com> wrote:
>
>>Has anyone ever used a bolt-on carboy handle with a full carboy? Sure it's
>>not recommended but people do lots of things everyday, successfully, that
>>are not recommended. The reason I ask is because I would like some way to
>>have good positive control over a full carboy when moving it around without
>>the risk of ripping/breacing the neck off. Especially if it's a little wet
>>and slippery. Who uses one while also supporting the bottom? Who just grabs
>>the handle and carries it like a bucket? Thanks, Tony
>
>
> I have them on two 3-gal carboys which I will pick up and carry
> like a bucket. It would never cross my mind to do that with a
> 5 to 6.5 gal carboy. I have a carboy lifter for that purpose.
You also have spinal problems.. so I wouldn't expect you to lift them anyways. ;)
I have 3 handles for my 5 gallon carboys and they work fine. I don't do all that
much lifting when its full, just from the floor to the stand after its filled.
--
Dan
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Date: 05 Nov 2006 00:13:39
From: Bob F
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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"Tony M" <fakeemail@null.com > wrote in message
news:BZSdnZJYJazgwdDYnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Has anyone ever used a bolt-on carboy handle with a full carboy? Sure it's
> not recommended but people do lots of things everyday, successfully, that
> are not recommended. The reason I ask is because I would like some way to
> have good positive control over a full carboy when moving it around
without
> the risk of ripping/breacing the neck off. Especially if it's a little wet
> and slippery. Who uses one while also supporting the bottom? Who just
grabs
> the handle and carries it like a bucket? Thanks, Tony
>
I haven't used them. Personally, I would never trust a carboy to
be strong enough to lift only by a device like this. It just focuses
too much force on one place on what is a very heavy, breakable
bottle. It might work once, or many times, but eventually, some
neck is going to break.
Try googling "carboy handle break". You'll se a lot of -
http://www.breworganic.com/browseproducts/Carboy-Handle.html
Bob
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Date: 04 Nov 2006 23:55:14
From: 2fatbbq
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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"Tony M" <fakeemail@null.com > wrote in message
news:BZSdnZJYJazgwdDYnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Has anyone ever used a bolt-on carboy handle with a full carboy? Sure it's
> not recommended but people do lots of things everyday, successfully, that
> are not recommended. The reason I ask is because I would like some way to
> have good positive control over a full carboy when moving it around
> without the risk of ripping/breacing the neck off. Especially if it's a
> little wet and slippery. Who uses one while also supporting the bottom?
> Who just grabs the handle and carries it like a bucket? Thanks, Tony
After losing one 6.5gal carboy, now all the carboys have those nice nylon
carrying harness's--was at the local brew shop happenings today and one of
the guys was mentioning how he had a carboy explode(?) on him with a high
gravity beer fermenting 'cause the airlock was plugged
Buzz
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 09:55:45
From: fstbttms
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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brian@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Nov 6, 11:40 am, John 'Shaggy' Kolesar <s...@shagg.net> wrote:
> > On 6 Nov 2006 06:04:50 -0800, <jjhe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What do (did) the water delivery companies carry them in? Tall milk
> > > crates?Water carboys are plastic.
6.5 gallon carboys fit perfectly in a square milk crate. Mine almost
never leave their crates. makes moving full carboys easy, too:
http://www.fotolode.com/images/fstbttms/Brew-Gear/carboyup.jpg
I also cut a hole for the carboy neck in the bottom of the crates, that
way you can invert a full carboy into a stack of two crates for
hands-free draining:
http://www.fotolode.com/images/fstbttms/Brew-Gear/carboydrain.jpg
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 12:13:53
From: Bob F
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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"fstbttms" <mpeterson@astound.net > wrote in message
news:1162835745.615061.317490@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> brian@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 11:40 am, John 'Shaggy' Kolesar <s...@shagg.net> wrote:
> > > On 6 Nov 2006 06:04:50 -0800, <jjhe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > What do (did) the water delivery companies carry them in? Tall milk
> > > > crates?Water carboys are plastic.
>
> 6.5 gallon carboys fit perfectly in a square milk crate. Mine almost
> never leave their crates. makes moving full carboys easy, too:
>
> http://www.fotolode.com/images/fstbttms/Brew-Gear/carboyup.jpg
I just discovered this myself a week ago. I am considering cutting the
bottom out of some crates so they will fit over the top of a carboy in
a crate. It should make "stackable" storage for the big carboys.
Bob
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 14:16:47
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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fstbttms wrote:
> brian@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>On Nov 6, 11:40 am, John 'Shaggy' Kolesar <s...@shagg.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On 6 Nov 2006 06:04:50 -0800, <jjhe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>What do (did) the water delivery companies carry them in? Tall milk
>>>>crates?Water carboys are plastic.
>
>
> 6.5 gallon carboys fit perfectly in a square milk crate. Mine almost
> never leave their crates. makes moving full carboys easy, too:
>
> http://www.fotolode.com/images/fstbttms/Brew-Gear/carboyup.jpg
Very good. But how does DeanFoods feel about this :)
> I also cut a hole for the carboy neck in the bottom of the crates, that
> way you can invert a full carboy into a stack of two crates for
> hands-free draining:
>
> http://www.fotolode.com/images/fstbttms/Brew-Gear/carboydrain.jpg
Also good. I've been thinking about a similar approach, except having
a nozzle mounted in the bottom crape that will spray rinsing water up
into the carboy.
--
Dan
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 09:27:03
From: brian@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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On Nov 6, 11:40 am, John 'Shaggy' Kolesar <s...@shagg.net > wrote:
> On 6 Nov 2006 06:04:50 -0800, <jjhe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What do (did) the water delivery companies carry them in? Tall milk
> > crates?Water carboys are plastic.
>
> John.
They weren't always... My 5 gal secondary is an old poland spring
bottle and its all glass
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 09:06:06
From: alebrewer
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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Jeff wrote:
>
> What do (did) the water delivery companies carry them in? Tall milk
> crates?
>
When I got my Ozarka bottle, it had a nice wooden crate around it.
Wasn't all that substantial, but I got the impression that this was
what they used for protection during transportation. I'm guessing, but
I'd think thay they used dollies or carts to move the full bottles
around.
ab
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 08:54:18
From: alebrewer
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> On 6 Nov 2006 06:04:50 -0800, <jjhenze@gmail.com> wrote:
> > What do (did) the water delivery companies carry them in? Tall milk
> > crates?
>
> Water carboys are plastic.
>
They haven't always been. In fact, They had glass ones much longer
than they've had plastic ones.
One of my prized carboys is an Ozarka bottle. The date molded into the
bottom is '75. Yes, it's glass.
ab
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 16:35:06
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 19:35:29 -0800, <fakeemail@null.com > wrote:
> Has anyone ever used a bolt-on carboy handle with a full carboy? Sure it's
> not recommended but people do lots of things everyday, successfully, that
> are not recommended. The reason I ask is because I would like some way to
> have good positive control over a full carboy when moving it around without
> the risk of ripping/breacing the neck off. Especially if it's a little wet
> and slippery. Who uses one while also supporting the bottom? Who just grabs
> the handle and carries it like a bucket? Thanks, Tony
I would not recommend using the bolt on handle to carry a full carboy.
They're not designed for that, and I've definitely heard of people snapping
the neck of the carboy doing it. If the handle is in your hands and the
neck snaps, that means the rest of the carboy is going to go crashing
down onto the floor and likely shatter. IMO, bad idea.
There are alternatives though. You can get carboy carriers that are
specifically designed for handling full carboys. They basically strap
around and under the carboy, and support it from the bottom. Something
like this:
http://www.thegrape.net/browse.cfm/4,9958.htm
I've got several of these and they work great. Much safer than trying to
carry a bare carboy, and definitely a better idea than trying to use the
bolt on handle.
John.
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 06:04:50
From: Jeff
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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> Has anyone ever used a bolt-on carboy handle with a full carboy? Sure it's
> not recommended but people do lots of things everyday, successfully, that
I have one on a 6 gallon, and two 5 gallon carboys with them. I lift
them full or empty, though less often (and generally with another hand
under them) when they are full. 2 years, 15 or so batches, no problems
yet.
OTOH, one of these days I'll pop for one of those carboy carriers,
because they just are a better design than the handles.
What do (did) the water delivery companies carry them in? Tall milk
crates?
--Jeff
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 16:40:37
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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On 6 Nov 2006 06:04:50 -0800, <jjhenze@gmail.com > wrote:
> What do (did) the water delivery companies carry them in? Tall milk
> crates?
Water carboys are plastic.
John.
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 18:48:20
From: John Bleichert
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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Tony M <fakeemail@null.com > wrote:
> Has anyone ever used a bolt-on carboy handle with a full carboy? Sure it's
> not recommended but people do lots of things everyday, successfully, that
> are not recommended. The reason I ask is because I would like some way to
> have good positive control over a full carboy when moving it around without
> the risk of ripping/breacing the neck off. Especially if it's a little wet
> and slippery. Who uses one while also supporting the bottom? Who just grabs
> the handle and carries it like a bucket? Thanks, Tony
>
>
If that's one of those hold-by-the-neck things, they give me the
creeps. I picked up a coupla Brew Haulers and they've been great.
http://www.northernbrewer.com/pics/fullsize/brew-hauler.jpg
-----------------------------------------------
John Bleichert syborg@earthlink.net
The heat from below can burn your eyes out!!
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Date: 08 Nov 2006 03:48:09
From:
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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Tony M wrote:
> Has anyone ever used a bolt-on carboy handle with a full carboy? Sure it's
> not recommended but people do lots of things everyday, successfully, that
> are not recommended. The reason I ask is because I would like some way to
> have good positive control over a full carboy when moving it around without
> the risk of ripping/breacing the neck off. Especially if it's a little wet
> and slippery. Who uses one while also supporting the bottom? Who just grabs
> the handle and carries it like a bucket? Thanks, Tony
Of course it seems everyone recomends to NOT use this device but I
OTOH have used it as the primary method of moving all my carboys full
or not for many years now! Now I have read several horror stories about
how one day the neck of the bottle just came off and other stories of
how the person slipped and the story took a drastic and very dangerous
turn. Yet I agree that these are unfortunate and tragic stories that
would convince even the most diligent non believer of harm and danger.
In that respect I employ a VERY carefull method of supporting the
bottem while lifting and have a great respect for the "what if" as
should anyone. One of those nylon carboy lifter/ harness things is a
great idea. I would recomend that item all day long, yes perhaps even I
may go off and purchase one as no doubt I should have long ago! To bad
theres no little icon indicating a pair of crossed fingers indicating
my continued good luck I've had.
Steve
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 04:43:09
From: Scotty B
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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Are the 'better bottles' really any different than those plastic water
cooler jugs?
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 15:37:53
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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On 9 Nov 2006 04:43:09 -0800, <michaellasalle@gmail.com > wrote:
> Are the 'better bottles' really any different than those plastic water
> cooler jugs?
Different kind of plastic, so they're more oxygen preventive than the
classic water cooler jugs.
John.
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Date: 11 Nov 2006 08:23:54
From: Stoutman
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar <spam@shagg.net > wrote in
news:slrnel6j3f.rtq.spam@weizen.shagg.net:
> On 9 Nov 2006 04:43:09 -0800, <michaellasalle@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Are the 'better bottles' really any different than those plastic
>> water cooler jugs?
>
> Different kind of plastic, so they're more oxygen preventive than the
> classic water cooler jugs.
>
>
> John.
Thanks for the responses. Got what I needed. :) My LHBS doesn't have the
fancy ones with the spigots or racking ports, just the basic ones. Think
I'll stick with my current glass ones. I respect that they are breakable
treat them accordingly so I think I'll continue to be fine. Besides, there
are other things that I still need to buy. :) Next pay-day I should be
trying my first AG batch. Wheeeeeee!
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 10:03:51
From: Jim Stansell
Subject: Re: bolt-on carboy handle question
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On 9 Nov 2006 04:43:09 -0800, "Scotty B" <michaellasalle@gmail.com >
wrote:
>Are the 'better bottles' really any different than those plastic water
>cooler jugs?
For relatively short-term use (say, a couple of weeks), I'd guess
probably not. However, if you're planning to age a mead for a year,
the Better Bottles are supposedly much less oxygen permeable.
I have a couple of Better Bottles that I bought on close-out pretty
inexpensively, and I like them a lot. The racking port works very
smoothly. But, I probably wouldn't pay full price for one.
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