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Date: 05 Oct 2006 15:12:23
From: spleenminus@yahoo.com
Subject: are these cherries ok to add to beer or cider?
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Hi,
I bought these cherries at trader joes. the ingredients are:
cherries, water, sugar, syrup of glucose and fructose.
Just wanted to make sure they wont kill my beer or cider if i add
them. was going to add to secondary for beer and not sure about cider.
would it be best to add to primary or seconday in cider?
thanks!
John
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 19:53:54
From: spleenminus@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: are these cherries ok to add to beer or cider?
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Thanks for the info! I am going to save the cherries for the beer and
just added the juice to my apple, pear and cherry "cider". i'll keep
my fingers crossed. either way, good or horrible it will not go to
waste. I pulled a real bright one. I was putting my airlock into the
stopper and pushed the damn thing in. It was sanitized and i was
wearing gloves, but now i dont know how the hell i'll get it out. This
carboy is different from the others i have. it has threads on the
outside. is there a better stopper for these types?
Also, are there such things as stoppers for the 1 gal jugs my juice
came in?
Thanks again for the help,
John
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 20:02:35
From: Lefty Skywalker
Subject: Re: are these cherries ok to add to beer or cider?
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spleenminus@yahoo.com wrote:
> Also, are there such things as stoppers for the 1 gal jugs my juice
> came in?
I used a balloon with some pinholes for my cider.
But yes, stoppers come in all sizes and you can get them drilled for an
airlock.
--
Daniel O. Miller
"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the
fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true
science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer marvel, is as good
as dead, and his eyes are dimmed." - Albert Einstein
WWYD? (-o-) <* > Genesis 49:17
Real email address: darth dot lefty at golf mike able india lima.
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 02:34:06
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: are these cherries ok to add to beer or cider?
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On Thu, 05 2006 19:53:54 -0600, <spleenminus@yahoo.com > wrote:
> waste. I pulled a real bright one. I was putting my airlock into the
> stopper and pushed the damn thing in. It was sanitized and i was
> wearing gloves, but now i dont know how the hell i'll get it out. This
> carboy is different from the others i have. it has threads on the
> outside. is there a better stopper for these types?
You wouldn't believe how many people have done this. ;) If you have
another stopper, use that for this fermentation. Having the first one
in the carboy won't really hurt anything. Once this batch is done
and you rack it off, you can worry about trying to get it out. A couple
tricks that work are using an old metal coat hanger. Bend it straight
except for the hook part and try to fish the stopper out. Another thing
to try is putting the end of a handkercheif or rag halfway into the
neck of the carboy. Turn the carboy upside down so that the stopper falls
into the neck part, with the rag between it and the side of the carboy.
Pull on the rag slowly and if you get it right it will force the stopper
out through the neck along with it. It may take several tries, but it
can be done.
Next time, you probably want to use a larger stopper. They come in all
sorts of sizes. If your LHBS doesn't carry a bunch of them, there are
online stores that carry tons of different sized ones. I think in general
I use a #5 or #6 (can't remember which one) stopper for my 5 gallon carboys
and a #7 or #7.5 (I've got both) stopper for my 6.5 gallon carboys. Some
carboys are going to be different though, you'll just have to experiment and
see which size fits best. The stoppers are generally pretty cheap (<$1 each).
You should be able to order a couple different sizes and see which one fits
best. Make sure you get ones with holes in them though (for the airlock),
sometimes you can get solid stoppers which obviously won't do a lot of good.
> Also, are there such things as stoppers for the 1 gal jugs my juice
> came in?
See above. They definitely exist (you can even find stoppers that fit into
a 12oz beer bottle), you just might need to shop around to find a place
that carries a bunch of them in assorted sizes.
Here's one option:
http://morebeer.com/browse.html?category_id=1088
You can also get "universal" stoppers which fit a variety of different
sized necks. They're not bad, but I find that they don't tend to "stick"
in the neck as well as rubber stoppers. The ones I have tend to slip back
out pretty easily.
http://morebeer.com/product.html?product_id=16655
John.
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 11:18:31
From: spleenminus@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: are these cherries ok to add to beer or cider?
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i have a 7, it seeded to want to go in a little more than half way
with the airlock. i went to a 6.5 and it goies in all the way, but too
far if the glass is wet as i found out. should i be using a 7 that
sticks out a bit or should it be inserted flush with the top of the
carboy?
On 6 2006 02:34:06 GMT, John 'Shaggy' Kolesar <spam@shagg.net >
wrote:
>On Thu, 05 2006 19:53:54 -0600, <spleenminus@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> waste. I pulled a real bright one. I was putting my airlock into the
>> stopper and pushed the damn thing in. It was sanitized and i was
>> wearing gloves, but now i dont know how the hell i'll get it out. This
>> carboy is different from the others i have. it has threads on the
>> outside. is there a better stopper for these types?
>
>You wouldn't believe how many people have done this. ;) If you have
>another stopper, use that for this fermentation. Having the first one
>in the carboy won't really hurt anything. Once this batch is done
>and you rack it off, you can worry about trying to get it out. A couple
>tricks that work are using an old metal coat hanger. Bend it straight
>except for the hook part and try to fish the stopper out. Another thing
>to try is putting the end of a handkercheif or rag halfway into the
>neck of the carboy. Turn the carboy upside down so that the stopper falls
>into the neck part, with the rag between it and the side of the carboy.
>Pull on the rag slowly and if you get it right it will force the stopper
>out through the neck along with it. It may take several tries, but it
>can be done.
>
>Next time, you probably want to use a larger stopper. They come in all
>sorts of sizes. If your LHBS doesn't carry a bunch of them, there are
>online stores that carry tons of different sized ones. I think in general
>I use a #5 or #6 (can't remember which one) stopper for my 5 gallon carboys
>and a #7 or #7.5 (I've got both) stopper for my 6.5 gallon carboys. Some
>carboys are going to be different though, you'll just have to experiment and
>see which size fits best. The stoppers are generally pretty cheap (<$1 each).
>You should be able to order a couple different sizes and see which one fits
>best. Make sure you get ones with holes in them though (for the airlock),
>sometimes you can get solid stoppers which obviously won't do a lot of good.
>
>> Also, are there such things as stoppers for the 1 gal jugs my juice
>> came in?
>
>See above. They definitely exist (you can even find stoppers that fit into
>a 12oz beer bottle), you just might need to shop around to find a place
>that carries a bunch of them in assorted sizes.
>
>Here's one option:
>http://morebeer.com/browse.html?category_id=1088
>
>You can also get "universal" stoppers which fit a variety of different
>sized necks. They're not bad, but I find that they don't tend to "stick"
>in the neck as well as rubber stoppers. The ones I have tend to slip back
>out pretty easily.
>http://morebeer.com/product.html?product_id=16655
>
>
>John.
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 18:06:53
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: are these cherries ok to add to beer or cider?
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On Fri, 06 2006 11:18:31 -0600, <spleenminus@yahoo.com > wrote:
> i have a 7, it seeded to want to go in a little more than half way
> with the airlock. i went to a 6.5 and it goies in all the way, but too
> far if the glass is wet as i found out. should i be using a 7 that
> sticks out a bit or should it be inserted flush with the top of the
> carboy?
IMO, if it goes in flush with the top of the carboy then it's too
small. It would be way to easy to get a stopper like that to pop
all the way through. Most of mine will only go in part way, I think
the #7 sounds right from what you describe.
John.
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 15:12:32
From: spleenminus@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: are these cherries ok to add to beer or cider?
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I'll try a 7. I was using a 6.65 because i was worried about the
pressure blowing the stopper out.
thanks for all your help.
On 6 2006 18:06:53 GMT, John 'Shaggy' Kolesar <spam@shagg.net >
wrote:
>On Fri, 06 2006 11:18:31 -0600, <spleenminus@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> i have a 7, it seeded to want to go in a little more than half way
>> with the airlock. i went to a 6.5 and it goies in all the way, but too
>> far if the glass is wet as i found out. should i be using a 7 that
>> sticks out a bit or should it be inserted flush with the top of the
>> carboy?
>
>IMO, if it goes in flush with the top of the carboy then it's too
>small. It would be way to easy to get a stopper like that to pop
>all the way through. Most of mine will only go in part way, I think
>the #7 sounds right from what you describe.
>
>
>John.
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 21:33:11
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: are these cherries ok to add to beer or cider?
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On Fri, 06 2006 15:12:32 -0600, <spleenminus@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I'll try a 7. I was using a 6.65 because i was worried about the
> pressure blowing the stopper out.
There shouldn't be any significant pressure build up with an airlock
attached. If the airlock does clog for some reason and pressure builds,
then you want the stopper to pop out. The alternative is for pressure
to build and burst the carboy.
John.
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 18:13:32
From: Lefty Skywalker
Subject: Re: are these cherries ok to add to beer or cider?
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spleenminus@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi,
> I bought these cherries at trader joes. the ingredients are:
> cherries, water, sugar, syrup of glucose and fructose.
>
> Just wanted to make sure they wont kill my beer or cider if i add
> them. was going to add to secondary for beer and not sure about cider.
> would it be best to add to primary or seconday in cider?
So long as it's pasteurized with no preservatives. Looks like you're
good to go.
--
Daniel O. Miller
"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the
fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true
science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer marvel, is as good
as dead, and his eyes are dimmed." - Albert Einstein
WWYD? (-o-) <* > Genesis 49:17
Real email address: darth dot lefty at golf mike able india lima.
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 00:23:24
From: stephen
Subject: Re: are these cherries ok to add to beer or cider?
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spleenminus@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi,
> I bought these cherries at trader joes. the ingredients are:
> cherries, water, sugar, syrup of glucose and fructose.
>
> Just wanted to make sure they wont kill my beer or cider if i add
> them. was going to add to secondary for beer and not sure about cider.
> would it be best to add to primary or seconday in cider?
>
> thanks!
>
> John
Sounds like fermentables, good enough for me ;).
One thing to watch for is a lot of packaged/canned fruit has sorbate and
sulfite as preservatives. Sorbate could inhibit fermentation (and I've
been told that w/o sulfite, sorbate can cause a marigold flavor :P).
High levels of sulfite could affect yeast as well, and from experience
sulfites in beer do not taste good (wine is fine, but beer it does not
taste good).
But the ingredients don't mention either of those, so it's not an issue
in this case.
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 19:36:59
From: Rick
Subject: Re: are these cherries ok to add to beer or cider?
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I find cherries give a bitter aftertaste. I have made 1 batch and will not
do it again.
I have not tried them in cider yet but my wife wants to. She is the cider
drinker.
"stephen" <newsteve@shaw.ca > wrote in message
news:0mhVg.94295$1T2.9613@pd7urf2no...
> spleenminus@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I bought these cherries at trader joes. the ingredients are:
>> cherries, water, sugar, syrup of glucose and fructose.
>>
>> Just wanted to make sure they wont kill my beer or cider if i add
>> them. was going to add to secondary for beer and not sure about cider.
>> would it be best to add to primary or seconday in cider?
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>> John
>
> Sounds like fermentables, good enough for me ;).
>
> One thing to watch for is a lot of packaged/canned fruit has sorbate and
> sulfite as preservatives. Sorbate could inhibit fermentation (and I've
> been told that w/o sulfite, sorbate can cause a marigold flavor :P). High
> levels of sulfite could affect yeast as well, and from experience sulfites
> in beer do not taste good (wine is fine, but beer it does not taste good).
>
> But the ingredients don't mention either of those, so it's not an issue in
> this case.
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 02:18:33
From: stephen
Subject: Re: are these cherries ok to add to beer or cider?
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Yeah, I'd sway towards blackberries or peaches or basically anything
other than cherries for cider. Maybe cherries with a stout or red wine
(merlot or pinot noir maybe?).. but still I'm not a fan of flavoured
wines. Chocolate cherry stout or port maybe?
Rick wrote:
> I find cherries give a bitter aftertaste. I have made 1 batch and will not
> do it again.
>
> I have not tried them in cider yet but my wife wants to. She is the cider
> drinker.
>
> "stephen" <newsteve@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:0mhVg.94295$1T2.9613@pd7urf2no...
>> spleenminus@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I bought these cherries at trader joes. the ingredients are:
>>> cherries, water, sugar, syrup of glucose and fructose.
>>>
>>> Just wanted to make sure they wont kill my beer or cider if i add
>>> them. was going to add to secondary for beer and not sure about cider.
>>> would it be best to add to primary or seconday in cider?
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>>
>>> John
>> Sounds like fermentables, good enough for me ;).
>>
>> One thing to watch for is a lot of packaged/canned fruit has sorbate and
>> sulfite as preservatives. Sorbate could inhibit fermentation (and I've
>> been told that w/o sulfite, sorbate can cause a marigold flavor :P). High
>> levels of sulfite could affect yeast as well, and from experience sulfites
>> in beer do not taste good (wine is fine, but beer it does not taste good).
>>
>> But the ingredients don't mention either of those, so it's not an issue in
>> this case.
>
>
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 13:00:37
From: Joel
Subject: Re: are these cherries ok to add to beer or cider?
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stephen <newsteve@shaw.ca > wrote:
>Rick wrote:
>> I find cherries give a bitter aftertaste. I have made 1 batch and will not
>> do it again.
>Yeah, I'd sway towards blackberries or peaches or basically anything
>other than cherries for cider. Maybe cherries with a stout or red wine
>(merlot or pinot noir maybe?).. but still I'm not a fan of flavoured
>wines. Chocolate cherry stout or port maybe?
I have a cherry tree (sour/pie cherries) in my yard, so
as you can imagine I have found it convenient to use them
in brewing. I've never done a cider, but I really like
the blend of cherry and apple flavors in mead/cyser. I
have also used them in several styles of beer, with mixed
success. I have concluded that I don't care for the flavor
of sour/tart cherries when used in anything too dry (like
dry mead), bitter (IPA), deeply roasted (imperial stout),
or overly yeast-influenced (triple). My best beer effort
was a very nice dark mild with cherries-- it was almost like
eating cherry pie.
So I think cherries can do well in cider or beer, but
it's a matter of taste what an individual may or may not
like.
>>>> cherries, water, sugar, syrup of glucose and fructose.
As for this original question, I'd try to lose the
extra sugars. They're there to sweeten the cherries
for eating, bringing out the fruit flavor, but in
cider (or beer) will merely ferment out into what may
be an overly dry, austere result.
--
Joel Plutchak
"Things just fall apart." - Now They'll Sleep (Belly)
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 16:21:43
From: stephen
Subject: Re: are these cherries ok to add to beer or cider?
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> I have a cherry tree (sour/pie cherries) in my yard, so
> as you can imagine I have found it convenient to use them
> in brewing. I've never done a cider, but I really like
> the blend of cherry and apple flavors in mead/cyser. I
> have also used them in several styles of beer, with mixed
> success. I have concluded that I don't care for the flavor
> of sour/tart cherries when used in anything too dry (like
> dry mead), bitter (IPA), deeply roasted (imperial stout),
> or overly yeast-influenced (triple). My best beer effort
> was a very nice dark mild with cherries-- it was almost like
> eating cherry pie.
Mmm sounds good.
I just remebered a cherry beer I enjoy (that is sour):
Belle-vue kriek.. of course it has a bit of sweetness to balance it out.
> So I think cherries can do well in cider or beer, but
> it's a matter of taste what an individual may or may not
> like.
>
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 00:09:39
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: are these cherries ok to add to beer or cider?
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On Thu, 05 2006 15:12:23 -0600, <spleenminus@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Hi,
> I bought these cherries at trader joes. the ingredients are:
> cherries, water, sugar, syrup of glucose and fructose.
>
> Just wanted to make sure they wont kill my beer or cider if i add
> them. was going to add to secondary for beer and not sure about cider.
> would it be best to add to primary or seconday in cider?
They won't hurt anything. Personally, I prefer to use fruit packed in
water for brewing, but having it packed in syrup won't ruin the batch
or anything like that. It's just going to be adding some sugars/flavors
that you may not expect.
I'd add them to the secondary.
John.
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 11:12:43
From: spleenminus@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: are these cherries ok to add to beer or cider?
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Thanks to evaryone for all the help. I am already seeinsome activity
in the cider. What i am trying to replicate is a drink i make which is
one part ace pear cider, 1 part woodchuck apple, and about a half a
part of lindemans americanized kriek. delicious. I'm sure this will be
much different, but figured i'd try.
On Thu, 05 2006 15:12:23 -0600, "spleenminus@yahoo.com"
<spleenminus@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Hi,
>I bought these cherries at trader joes. the ingredients are:
>cherries, water, sugar, syrup of glucose and fructose.
>
>Just wanted to make sure they wont kill my beer or cider if i add
>them. was going to add to secondary for beer and not sure about cider.
>would it be best to add to primary or seconday in cider?
>
>thanks!
>
>John
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