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Date: 16 Jun 2006 15:08:15
From: (East Bay) Phil
Subject: all-grain brewer forced to brew from DME - needs help
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Hi, all,
I'm going to move to JP for a while. I know that they're strict, but
I'm confident that I can make something under the radar [beats $24 for a
12 pack of Kirin at the supermarket]. That said, I know that most of
the locals - some being my family - like lagers and such. So, I'd like
to be able to make something acceptable to that pallete. I bought some
hop pellets (Mt. Hood, Spalt, Saaz) and can send some DME (light /
pilsner / wheat / etc).
The problem is this. I haven't done extract for a while. I know that
some things just work better from grain. The styles I'm considering
doing over there - blonde, steam, kolsch, alt, schwartz - I've only done
from grain. Which, if any, would translate well to a minimal DME recipe
without tasting bland?
Thanks,
Phil
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 15:44:33
From: Scott L
Subject: Re: all-grain brewer forced to brew from DME - needs help
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(East Bay) Phil wrote:
> Hi, all,
>
> I'm going to move to JP for a while. I know that they're strict, but
> I'm confident that I can make something under the radar [beats $24 for a
> 12 pack of Kirin at the supermarket]. That said, I know that most of
> the locals - some being my family - like lagers and such. So, I'd like
> to be able to make something acceptable to that pallete. I bought some
> hop pellets (Mt. Hood, Spalt, Saaz) and can send some DME (light /
> pilsner / wheat / etc).
I'm not sure what state/country you refer to (Japan?) Are you sure you
can't get malt there? Surely there are other legitimate uses for malt
besides brewing...
If you really can't get malt, this might be a good opportunity to learn
how to malt your own grains. Surely they can't bust you for illegal
germination, can they?
Scott
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Date: 18 Jun 2006 10:39:17
From: (East Bay) Phil
Subject: Re: all-grain brewer forced to brew from DME - needs help
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> If you really can't get malt, this might be a good opportunity to learn
> how to malt your own grains. Surely they can't bust you for illegal
> germination, can they?
Most Japanese homes do not have ovens, only ranges. :-\
Phil
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 22:35:49
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: all-grain brewer forced to brew from DME - needs help
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(East Bay) Phil <dont_spam_pvnews1@dont_spam_nekophile.com > wrote:
> I'm going to move to JP for a while. I know that they're strict, but
> I'm confident that I can make something under the radar [beats $24 for a
> 12 pack of Kirin at the supermarket].
Please expand on what you mean by "Thye're strict."
> That said, I know that most of the locals - some being my family
> - like lagers and such. So, I'd like to be able to make something
> acceptable to that pallete. I bought some hop pellets (Mt. Hood,
> Spalt, Saaz) and can send some DME (light / pilsner / wheat / etc).
You'll need a fermentation fridge for a lager. Will you have one?
> The problem is this. I haven't done extract for a while. I know
> that some things just work better from grain. The styles I'm
> considering doing over there - blonde, steam, kolsch, alt, schwartz
> - I've only done from grain. Which, if any, would translate well
> to a minimal DME recipe without tasting bland?
Unless your stove will be too small to boil wort or water too
expensive to cool the wort, why not do all grain?
Dick
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Date: 18 Jun 2006 10:38:26
From: (East Bay) Phil
Subject: Re: all-grain brewer forced to brew from DME - needs help
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> Please expand on what you mean by "Thye're strict."
My understanding is that Japan allow homebrewing up to 1% alcohol beer.
Not that I expect the homebrew police to come 'round. I've read that
there are kits over there, but regardless of my approach, I suspect I
will be using DME.
> You'll need a fermentation fridge for a lager. Will you have one?
Not likely. That's why I'd probably go for steam or kolsch.
> Unless your stove will be too small to boil wort or water too
> expensive to cool the wort, why not do all grain?
I'm really sceptical that I'd be able to find the malted grains.
Phil
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Date: 18 Jun 2006 17:42:18
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: all-grain brewer forced to brew from DME - needs help
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(East Bay) Phil <dont_spam_pvnews1@dont_spam_nekophile.com > wrote:
> Dick Adams <rdadams@smart.net) wrote:
>> Please expand on what you mean by "Thye're strict."
> My understanding is that Japan allow homebrewing up to 1% alcohol beer.
> Not that I expect the homebrew police to come 'round. I've read that
> there are kits over there, but regardless of my approach, I suspect I
> will be using DME.
Think Mead!
Dick
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Date: 19 Jun 2006 12:09:16
From: (East Bay) Phil
Subject: Re: all-grain brewer forced to brew from DME - needs help
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> Think Mead!
Nice idea. :-) But if I'm only there 1-2 years, I don't see that as
matching my needs.
As a side note, their native bees are 3" long vicious beasts - I think
they'd likely kill European honey bees in no time. So, I'm guessing
honey's not cheap - but it might add some gravity and character to an
otherwise simple brew.
Thanks,
P
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Date: 19 Jun 2006 14:50:24
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: all-grain brewer forced to brew from DME - needs help
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:38:26 +0000, <dont_spam_pvnews1@dont_spam_nekophile.com > wrote:
> I'm really sceptical that I'd be able to find the malted grains.
How are you going to find DME?
John.
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Date: 19 Jun 2006 12:03:54
From: (East Bay) Phil
Subject: Re: all-grain brewer forced to brew from DME - needs help
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> How are you going to find DME?
I was planning to have it sent via cheap seamail or Fedex (family has a
discount). I understand this isn't cheap, but as I said, neither is $24
/ 12 pack of Japanese industrial rice lager.
P
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Date: 19 Jun 2006 12:24:05
From: George
Subject: Re: all-grain brewer forced to brew from DME - needs help
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(East Bay) Phil wrote:
>> How are you going to find DME?
>
>
> I was planning to have it sent via cheap seamail or Fedex (family has a
> discount). I understand this isn't cheap, but as I said, neither is $24
> / 12 pack of Japanese industrial rice lager.
>
> P
Sounds like a good opportunity to take up Sake brewing, I'm sure you
could find rice in Japan. I went to a Fred Eckhart demonstration awhile
back and plan to brew some myself------some day!
George
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Date: 19 Jun 2006 13:19:13
From: (East Bay) Phil
Subject: Re: all-grain brewer forced to brew from DME - needs help
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> Sounds like a good opportunity to take up Sake brewing, I'm sure you
> could find rice in Japan. I went to a Fred Eckhart demonstration awhile
> back and plan to brew some myself------some day!
So true. I tried this a year back. It was not my best moment. :-D
OHOT, there's nothing quite like when your carboy spew rice froth 15' in
the air. Maybe I can get some assistance while there.
P
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Date: 19 Jun 2006 13:30:50
From:
Subject: Re: all-grain brewer forced to brew from DME - needs help
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(East Bay) Phil wrote:
> > Sounds like a good opportunity to take up Sake brewing, I'm sure you
> > could find rice in Japan. I went to a Fred Eckhart demonstration awhile
> > back and plan to brew some myself------some day!
>
> So true. I tried this a year back. It was not my best moment. :-D
> OHOT, there's nothing quite like when your carboy spew rice froth 15' in
> the air. Maybe I can get some assistance while there.
>
> P
You can brew beer... order your kit from Australia. They have the same
ingredients that homebrewers around the world have.
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Date: 20 Jun 2006 04:34:21
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: all-grain brewer forced to brew from DME - needs help
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<Drunkpup@gmail.com > wrote:
> (East Bay) Phil wrote:
>>> Sounds like a good opportunity to take up Sake brewing, I'm sure you
>>> could find rice in Japan. I went to a Fred Eckhart demonstration awhile
>>> back and plan to brew some myself------some day!
>> So true. I tried this a year back. It was not my best moment. :-D
>> OHOT, there's nothing quite like when your carboy spew rice froth 15' in
>> the air. Maybe I can get some assistance while there.
Rice in a carboy??? Did you mean rice wort? If so use a blowoff tube?
> You can brew beer... order your kit from Australia. They have the same
> ingredients that homebrewers around the world have.
Note that all Coopers' kits are no-boil.
Dick
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