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Date: 14 Sep 2006 13:48:39
From: Gerard Eberlein
Subject: adding corn sugar for ABV
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I have a tried recipe I want to up the OG from 1.077 to about 1.090ish. I do
5 gallon batches. Does anyone know approximately how much corn sugar would
be needed to up the OG that much? I'm messing with the arrogant bastard
recipe I have tried once, more ABV, FWH, More dry hops etc. I dunno why but
the last one I made just didn't knock my sox off. Thanx in advance.
Gerard
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 18:25:33
From: Joel
Subject: Re: adding corn sugar for ABV
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Gerard Eberlein <dormouse@charter.net > wrote:
>I have a tried recipe I want to up the OG from 1.077 to about 1.090ish. I do
>5 gallon batches. Does anyone know approximately how much corn sugar would
>be needed to up the OG that much?
Corn sugar gives 37 points per pound per gallon, so
2 pounds would get you to about 1.092.
>I'm messing with the arrogant bastard
>recipe I have tried once, more ABV, FWH, More dry hops etc. I dunno why but
>the last one I made just didn't knock my sox off. Thanx in advance.
Personally, I'd add more malt. IIRC Arrogant Bastard
isn't particularly thin. Also, don't be shy about flavoring
hops-- add some at 20 minutes, some at 10, etc.
--
Joel Plutchak "Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and
plutchak@[...] sometimes I think we're not. In either case the idea
is quite staggering." - Arthur C. Clarke
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 18:32:40
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: adding corn sugar for ABV
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:25:33 +0000 (UTC), <plutchak@see.headers > wrote:
> Gerard Eberlein <dormouse@charter.net> wrote:
>>I have a tried recipe I want to up the OG from 1.077 to about 1.090ish. I do
>>5 gallon batches. Does anyone know approximately how much corn sugar would
>>be needed to up the OG that much?
>
> Corn sugar gives 37 points per pound per gallon, so
> 2 pounds would get you to about 1.092.
37 sounds low. That's basically the same as LME, where I would assume
corn sugar would be closer to DME.
FWIW, Palmer lists corn sugars as 46 (aka about the same as DME).
Maybe 37 is for corn syrup?
John.
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 20:01:23
From: David M. Taylor
Subject: Re: adding corn sugar for ABV
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"John 'Shaggy' Kolesar" <spam@shagg.net > wrote in message
news:slrnegj885.gvd.spam@weizen.shagg.net...
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:25:33 +0000 (UTC), <plutchak@see.headers> wrote:
>> Gerard Eberlein <dormouse@charter.net> wrote:
>>>I have a tried recipe I want to up the OG from 1.077 to about 1.090ish. I
>>>do
>>>5 gallon batches. Does anyone know approximately how much corn sugar
>>>would
>>>be needed to up the OG that much?
>>
>> Corn sugar gives 37 points per pound per gallon, so
>> 2 pounds would get you to about 1.092.
>
> 37 sounds low. That's basically the same as LME, where I would assume
> corn sugar would be closer to DME.
>
> FWIW, Palmer lists corn sugars as 46 (aka about the same as DME).
>
> Maybe 37 is for corn syrup?
37 is based on Daniels. So which is right? Who knows.
--
Dave
"Just a drink, a little drink, and I'll be feeling GOOooOOooOOooD!" --
Genesis, 1973-ish
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Date: 15 Sep 2006 08:49:11
From: wpattison
Subject: Re: England HB Supplier?
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> KGB,
>
> Thank you for your reply. After considering the exchange rate and
> shipping to the states, this may be a little costly. Could you tell me
> something about the heater itself. Such as wattage, manufacturer, etc.
> I would appreciate it. BTW, I am also a model airplane hobbyist. I
> guess drinking beer and flying planes just go together ; )
ROFL! Yeah - just ask John Denver. :P
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 18:18:26
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: adding corn sugar for ABV
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:48:39 -0400, <dormouse@charter.net > wrote:
> I have a tried recipe I want to up the OG from 1.077 to about 1.090ish. I do
> 5 gallon batches. Does anyone know approximately how much corn sugar would
> be needed to up the OG that much? I'm messing with the arrogant bastard
> recipe I have tried once, more ABV, FWH, More dry hops etc. I dunno why but
> the last one I made just didn't knock my sox off. Thanx in advance.
I believe corn sugar has basically the same PPG as DME. IE, 1 lbs
of corn sugar in 1 gallon of water will give you 45 gravity points.
Based on the math, 1.44 lbs of corn sugar should do it. I'd probably
just round that up to 1.5 to make it easier to measure. Be aware that
your FG will stay approximately the same since corn sugar is very
fermentable. You'll raise the OG and alcohol, but the beer overall
will be "drier".
If you're interested in how the math works, let me know.
John.
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 19:11:19
From: Joel
Subject: Re: adding corn sugar for ABV
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar <spam@shagg.net > wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:48:39 -0400, <dormouse@charter.net> wrote:
>> I have a tried recipe I want to up the OG from 1.077 to about 1.090ish. I do
>> 5 gallon batches. Does anyone know approximately how much corn sugar would
>> be needed to up the OG that much?
>I believe corn sugar has basically the same PPG as DME. IE, 1 lbs
>of corn sugar in 1 gallon of water will give you 45 gravity points.
Although some sources disagree, I believe there is a
difference between corn and cane sugar. Corn sugar has
1.037-1.040 ppg, while cane sugar has 1.045. (You could
remember that by equating corn sugar to LME and cane sugar
to DME.)
I use the 1.037 figure for corn sugar in my brewing and get
good results.
References:
http://brewingtechniques.com/library/backissues/issue1.3/manning.html
http://www.hbd.org/uchima/tech/extract.html
--
Joel Plutchak "Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and
plutchak@[...] sometimes I think we're not. In either case the idea
is quite staggering." - Arthur C. Clarke
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 20:13:53
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: adding corn sugar for ABV
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:11:19 +0000 (UTC), <plutchak@see.headers > wrote:
> John 'Shaggy' Kolesar <spam@shagg.net> wrote:
>>On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:48:39 -0400, <dormouse@charter.net> wrote:
>>> I have a tried recipe I want to up the OG from 1.077 to about 1.090ish. I do
>>> 5 gallon batches. Does anyone know approximately how much corn sugar would
>>> be needed to up the OG that much?
>
>>I believe corn sugar has basically the same PPG as DME. IE, 1 lbs
>>of corn sugar in 1 gallon of water will give you 45 gravity points.
>
> Although some sources disagree, I believe there is a
> difference between corn and cane sugar. Corn sugar has
> 1.037-1.040 ppg, while cane sugar has 1.045. (You could
> remember that by equating corn sugar to LME and cane sugar
> to DME.)
> I use the 1.037 figure for corn sugar in my brewing and get
> good results.
Interesting. I usually go by Palmer's chart, and he lists them as being
the same (unless he changed that in the 3rd edition?). The brewing
techniques article makes some sense though. They say that corn sugar is 90%
of the potential of cane sugar (I'm guessing because of the glucose/sucrose
thing). So that would put it around 40 ppg.
John.
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 21:46:24
From: Joel
Subject: Re: adding corn sugar for ABV
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar <spam@shagg.net > wrote:
>> Although some sources disagree, I believe there is a
>> difference between corn and cane sugar. Corn sugar has
>> 1.037-1.040 ppg, while cane sugar has 1.045. (You could
>> remember that by equating corn sugar to LME and cane sugar
>> to DME.)
>> I use the 1.037 figure for corn sugar in my brewing and get
>> good results.
>
>Interesting. I usually go by Palmer's chart, and he lists them as being
>the same (unless he changed that in the 3rd edition?). The brewing
>techniques article makes some sense though. They say that corn sugar is 90%
>of the potential of cane sugar (I'm guessing because of the glucose/sucrose
>thing). So that would put it around 40 ppg.
Just to further muddy the waters, I'm home now and checked
my texts. Papazian (The Home Brewer's Companion) and Daniels
(Designing Great Beers) lists corn at 1.037 and cane at 1.046.
Miller (The Complete Handbook of Home Brewing) lists corn sugar
at 40 ppg, nothing for cane. Korzonas (Homebrewing, Vol. 1)
goes into excruciating details on malts and grains but I can't
find anything where he talks about contributions of different
forms of sugars.
I might have to take some measurements, though I'm loath
to waste enough sugar to drive down measurement error enough
to get within a few percentage points.
--
Joel Plutchak "Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and
plutchak@[...] sometimes I think we're not. In either case the idea
is quite staggering." - Arthur C. Clarke
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Date: 15 Sep 2006 10:52:51
From: Gerard Eberlein
Subject: Re: adding corn sugar for ABV
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"John 'Shaggy' Kolesar" <spam@shagg.net > wrote in message
news:slrnegj7dg.gvd.spam@weizen.shagg.net...
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:48:39 -0400, <dormouse@charter.net> wrote:
>You'll raise the OG and alcohol, but the beer overall
> will be "drier".
That's one of the reasons I want to try some corn sugar...the recipe I made
before tasted good but left a sticky feel on my mouth.
> If you're interested in how the math works, let me know.
Definately, math isn't one of my strong points but I made it through algebra
1 (not that I've used it in...tooo long) But if you could put up the formula
I'm willing to check it out, thanx.
Gerard
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Date: 15 Sep 2006 15:37:02
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: adding corn sugar for ABV
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:52:51 -0400, <dormouse@charter.net > wrote:
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> "John 'Shaggy' Kolesar" <spam@shagg.net> wrote in message
> news:slrnegj7dg.gvd.spam@weizen.shagg.net...
>> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:48:39 -0400, <dormouse@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>You'll raise the OG and alcohol, but the beer overall
>> will be "drier".
>
> That's one of the reasons I want to try some corn sugar...the recipe I made
> before tasted good but left a sticky feel on my mouth.
>
>> If you're interested in how the math works, let me know.
>
> Definately, math isn't one of my strong points but I made it through algebra
> 1 (not that I've used it in...tooo long) But if you could put up the formula
> I'm willing to check it out, thanx.
The first thing to do is take your SGs and convert them to points. It's
basically just the stuff after the decimal place. 1.077 becomes 77 points
and 1.090 becomes 90 points. Those are in "points per gallon".
Then you want to figure out your total points. Just multiply the points
per gallon by your batch size. Assuming a 5 gallon batch:
1.077 = 77 * 5 = 385 total points
1.090 = 90 * 5 = 450 total points.
So, to raise your 1.077 OG up to a 1.090 OG, you need to add (450 - 385)
65 total points to the wort.
Each ingredient you use will have a PPG contribution, which is the pound
points per gallon. IE how many total points you get if you add one lbs of
the ingredient to 1 gallon of water. The PPG of corn sugar has been a
little fuzzy (as you've seen from the discussion), but for now I'll just
use 40 PPG.
So, corn sugar has 40 points per pound, and you need to add 65 points in
your batch. You just divide to get the total amount you need. IE,
65 / 40 = 1.65 lbs of corn sugar to raise your OG from 1.077 to 1.090
The exact weight you need will depend on what the real PPG of corn sugar is,
which I'm not sure we have a consensus on. It's going to be somewhere between
1.5 and 2 lbs, depending on which number you use.
John.
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