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Date: 10 Aug 2006 09:42:02
From: GeoffT
Subject: Will someone send me some polyclar?
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Will any kind brewer send me some polyclar?
It's not available here in Scotland (or anywhere in the UK) and I can't
seem to beat chill haze. Whirlfloc, Irish moss, tried it all.
If anyone feels like being a good samaritan I will obviously reimburse
you via PayPal (or whatever).
Of course if anyone has any tips for beating chill haze beyond copper
finings, good cold breaks, drinking warm beer, all suggestions are very
welcome!
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Date: 11 Aug 2006 11:38:06
From: rb
Subject: Re: Will someone send me some polyclar?
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GeoffT wrote:
> Will any kind brewer send me some polyclar?
>
> It's not available here in Scotland (or anywhere in the UK) and I can't
> seem to beat chill haze. Whirlfloc, Irish moss, tried it all.
>
> If anyone feels like being a good samaritan I will obviously reimburse
> you via PayPal (or whatever).
>
> Of course if anyone has any tips for beating chill haze beyond copper
> finings, good cold breaks, drinking warm beer, all suggestions are very
> welcome!
>
http://www.asbcnet.org/journal/abstracts/backissues/41-41.htm
http://www.asbcnet.org/journal/pdfs/backissues/41-0141.pdf
polyvinylpyrrolidone - trade named Polyclar
Sigma -Aldrich UK appear to have it
http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/Area_of_Interest/Europe_Home/UK.html
search using polyvinylpyrrolidone
suffixes include AT and Ultra K-100
you may have to contact them and see who their UK distributors are.
HTH
rb
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Date: 11 Aug 2006 14:11:44
From: rb
Subject: Re: Will someone send me some polyclar?
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rb wrote:
> GeoffT wrote:
>> Will any kind brewer send me some polyclar?
>>
>> It's not available here in Scotland (or anywhere in the UK) and I can't
>> seem to beat chill haze. Whirlfloc, Irish moss, tried it all.
>>
>> If anyone feels like being a good samaritan I will obviously reimburse
>> you via PayPal (or whatever).
>>
>> Of course if anyone has any tips for beating chill haze beyond copper
>> finings, good cold breaks, drinking warm beer, all suggestions are very
>> welcome!
>>
> http://www.asbcnet.org/journal/abstracts/backissues/41-41.htm
> http://www.asbcnet.org/journal/pdfs/backissues/41-0141.pdf
>
> polyvinylpyrrolidone - trade named Polyclar
>
> Sigma -Aldrich UK appear to have it
> http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/Area_of_Interest/Europe_Home/UK.html
>
> search using polyvinylpyrrolidone
>
> suffixes include AT and Ultra K-100
>
> you may have to contact them and see who their UK distributors are.
>
> HTH
>
> rb
oh yeah, there's a pricing and availability link for each product.
so for pvp k-90 as mentioned in the pdf
http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/search/ProductDetail/FLUKA/81440
cheers
rb
who is currently brewing like a demon, making the most of the last days
of winter.
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Date: 10 Aug 2006 17:59:07
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Will someone send me some polyclar?
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On 10 Aug 2006 09:42:02 -0700, <sonic_death_monkey@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Will any kind brewer send me some polyclar?
>
> It's not available here in Scotland (or anywhere in the UK) and I can't
> seem to beat chill haze. Whirlfloc, Irish moss, tried it all.
I could be wrong, but something in the back of my memory tells me that
you can find it over in the UK, but it's not called polyclar over there.
That's a very hazy memory, and I don't remember what other name it might
show up as... sorry. Hopefully other UK brewers will chime in.
John.
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Date: 10 Aug 2006 17:27:26
From: Duke
Subject: Re: Will someone send me some polyclar?
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"GeoffT" <sonic_death_monkey@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1155228121.990535.261730@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Will any kind brewer send me some polyclar?
>
> It's not available here in Scotland (or anywhere in the UK) and I can't
> seem to beat chill haze. Whirlfloc, Irish moss, tried it all.
>
> If anyone feels like being a good samaritan I will obviously reimburse
> you via PayPal (or whatever).
>
> Of course if anyone has any tips for beating chill haze beyond copper
> finings, good cold breaks, drinking warm beer, all suggestions are very
> welcome!
>
Is this product not available via the Internet ?
Duke
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Date: 11 Aug 2006 04:08:40
From: GeoffT
Subject: Re: Will someone send me some polyclar?
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Looks like that sigma aldritch site won't sell to me unless i'm part of
an organisation (i'm a student). I've emailed them to find out. They
might think i'm using it to make a bomb or something!
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Date: 11 Aug 2006 16:02:29
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Will someone send me some polyclar?
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On 11 Aug 2006 04:08:40 -0700, <sonic_death_monkey@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Looks like that sigma aldritch site won't sell to me unless i'm part of
> an organisation (i'm a student). I've emailed them to find out. They
> might think i'm using it to make a bomb or something!
Make up a name for your homebrewery and tell them you work for it. A lot
of places like that which claim to only sell to businesses don't really
check into it much. I've bought from places like that before calling in
the order as an "employee" of Valley Mead Brewing Company.
If that doesn't work... if you're friends with the LHBS owner ask if they'll
place the order on your behalf. I've done that before as well. Sometimes
the store will want to mark it up a little bit so they make some money off
of the deal, but they'd probably be happy to order it for you.
John.
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Date: 11 Aug 2006 03:29:39
From: GeoffT
Subject: Re: Will someone send me some polyclar?
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Thanks very much everyone.
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Date: 12 Aug 2006 17:09:38
From: Warren Place
Subject: Re: Will someone send me some polyclar?
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On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, GeoffT wrote:
> Looks like that sigma aldritch site won't sell to me unless i'm part of
> an organisation (i'm a student). I've emailed them to find out. They
> might think i'm using it to make a bomb or something!
You might try also contacting some of the companies that manufacture
Polyclar for a sample to see if you even want to buy the stuff.
http://www.ispcorp.com/ has a UK office and makes
http://www.ispcorp.com/products/beverage/content/brochure/polyclar10/Polyclar10%20.pdf
Warren Place
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Date: 13 Aug 2006 02:46:47
From: GeoffT
Subject: Re: Will someone send me some polyclar?
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Thanks that's a big help too. I emailed them. This time I'm a brewery
representative.
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Date: 14 Aug 2006 04:28:00
From: Brewer Bob
Subject: Re: Will someone send me some polyclar?
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GeoffT wrote:
>Will any kind brewer send me some polyclar?
>
>It's not available here in Scotland (or anywhere in the UK) and I can't
>seem to beat chill haze. Whirlfloc, Irish moss, tried it all.
>
>If anyone feels like being a good samaritan I will obviously reimburse
>you via PayPal (or whatever).
>
>Of course if anyone has any tips for beating chill haze beyond copper
>finings, good cold breaks, drinking warm beer, all suggestions are very
>welcome!
>
>
Just do a protein rest at 122F (50 C) for 15 minutes and then ramp your
mash temps up to the usual sach temp you use and see if that woks for
you next time.
Brewer Bob
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Date: 14 Aug 2006 17:06:03
From: Derric
Subject: Re: Will someone send me some polyclar?
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> ... I can't
> seem to beat chill haze. Whirlfloc, Irish moss, tried it all.
...
> Of course if anyone has any tips for beating chill haze beyond copper
> finings, good cold breaks, drinking warm beer, all suggestions are very
> welcome!
Cold conditioning should get rid of the chill haze. It takes several
weeks for it all to form and settle out, tho' (sorta like lagering).
You could chill the whole secondary or just chill bottles.
So... just leave a bottle or two in the fridge for a month and then see
if the haze isn't gone!
(Note - it is isn't "chill" haze, it will still be there).
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Date: 15 Aug 2006 08:05:46
From: GeoffT
Subject: Re: Will someone send me some polyclar?
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> > ... I can't
> > seem to beat chill haze. Whirlfloc, Irish moss, tried it all.
> ...
> > Of course if anyone has any tips for beating chill haze beyond copper
> > finings, good cold breaks, drinking warm beer, all suggestions are very
> > welcome!
>
> Cold conditioning should get rid of the chill haze. It takes several
> weeks for it all to form and settle out, tho' (sorta like lagering).
>
> You could chill the whole secondary or just chill bottles.
>
> So... just leave a bottle or two in the fridge for a month and then see
> if the haze isn't gone!
>
> (Note - it is isn't "chill" haze, it will still be there).
Yeah I've been trying this. It certainly works for my lagers but it
does take weeks as you say. For ales, would you take it down to maybe
10C or right down to lagering temps?
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Date: 15 Aug 2006 17:46:07
From: Derric
Subject: Re: Will someone send me some polyclar?
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> Yeah I've been trying this. It certainly works for my lagers but it
> does take weeks as you say. For ales, would you take it down to maybe
> 10C or right down to lagering temps?
I don't think the temp will matter too much, as long it is at
refridgerator temperatures (~40F?) or lower.
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Date: 15 Aug 2006 17:41:48
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Will someone send me some polyclar?
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On 15 Aug 2006 08:05:46 -0700, <sonic_death_monkey@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Yeah I've been trying this. It certainly works for my lagers but it
> does take weeks as you say. For ales, would you take it down to maybe
> 10C or right down to lagering temps?
When I do it with ales I take them from fermentation temps down to the low
30sF (aka just above 0C) as fast as the freezer will get them there.
John.
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