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Date: 29 Sep 2006 15:01:24
From: Gerard Eberlein
Subject: White labs vs. Wyeast
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I'm moving soon and the only LHBS only orders white labs yeast on request
and carries dry yeast regularly. I have been using smack packs of Wyeast,
mainly 1056, 3056, 3068 and am not sure what the equivilent is for white
labs. Also I've vever used white labs before. The guy at the LHBS told me he
can order white labs at no additional cost to me, just needs a week advance
notice. He also told me the white labs he can order are pint vials/jars. I
always thought it was a small tube. Is this a different white labs yeast
process i.e more yeast or are these vials I hear about 1 pint normally?
Thanx in advance.
Gerard
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 14:55:51
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: White labs vs. Wyeast
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Gerard Eberlein wrote:
> I'm moving soon and the only LHBS only orders white labs yeast on request
> and carries dry yeast regularly. I have been using smack packs of Wyeast,
> mainly 1056, 3056, 3068 and am not sure what the equivilent is for white
> labs.
If you're using 1056, you can pretty much substitute US-56 dry directly.
It's the exact same yeast. You can mail order a number of packets and
store it refrigerated for years (literally). Dry yeast only lose
something like 5% viability a year under refrigeration. Basically,
there's no need to buy the 1056 (white labs equiv is WLP001) liquid culture.
> Also I've vever used white labs before. The guy at the LHBS told me he
> can order white labs at no additional cost to me, just needs a week advance
> notice. He also told me the white labs he can order are pint vials/jars. I
> always thought it was a small tube. Is this a different white labs yeast
> process i.e more yeast or are these vials I hear about 1 pint normally?
> Thanx in advance.
White labs are fine yeast (and a great company to boot), but I'm not
aware that cultures are normally sold to homebrewers in anything other
than the standard vials, although they do offer larger container sizes
to pro brewers. The normal sizes are nowhere near a pint -- which makes
me suspect the quality of the LHBS. This is fairly common knowledge. In
any case, a decent LHBS should stock at least a few strains of liquid yeast.
There are a number of good mail order sources of yeast if you don't care
for the LHBS. I'd choose one close to you, as yeast are somewhat
perishable, especially during warm months.
Hope that helps -- tAfkaks
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 12:53:49
From:
Subject: Re: White labs vs. Wyeast
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Check out this forum. There was a post all about this topic.
http://beeradvocate.com/forum/read/822346
Gerard Eberlein wrote:
> I'm moving soon and the only LHBS only orders white labs yeast on request
> and carries dry yeast regularly. I have been using smack packs of Wyeast,
> mainly 1056, 3056, 3068 and am not sure what the equivilent is for white
> labs. Also I've vever used white labs before. The guy at the LHBS told me he
> can order white labs at no additional cost to me, just needs a week advance
> notice. He also told me the white labs he can order are pint vials/jars. I
> always thought it was a small tube. Is this a different white labs yeast
> process i.e more yeast or are these vials I hear about 1 pint normally?
> Thanx in advance.
>
> Gerard
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 19:42:41
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: White labs vs. Wyeast
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:01:24 -0400, <dormouse@charter.net > wrote:
> I'm moving soon and the only LHBS only orders white labs yeast on request
> and carries dry yeast regularly. I have been using smack packs of Wyeast,
> mainly 1056, 3056, 3068 and am not sure what the equivilent is for white
> labs. Also I've vever used white labs before. The guy at the LHBS told me he
> can order white labs at no additional cost to me, just needs a week advance
> notice. He also told me the white labs he can order are pint vials/jars. I
> always thought it was a small tube. Is this a different white labs yeast
> process i.e more yeast or are these vials I hear about 1 pint normally?
> Thanx in advance.
I used WYeast for awhile when I started getting into liquid yeast, and then
the LHBS switched to White Labs. IMO, other than the numbers being different
I never really had any problems. They're both good yeast companies. I've
heard multiple people say that the White Labs tubes do not have quite as much
shelf life as a WYeast smack pack, but that only really somes into play if
you buy yeast and then have it sitting around for a year or so before you
use it.
As far as equivalency, I usually go by the White Labs style chart:
http://www.whitelabs.com/beer/styles.html
but obviously there's a lot of room for interpretation in there. White Labs
has a decent looking poster with their strains/styles on it that they will
give you for free if you email them and ask. I think they're mostly
intended for LHBSs to put up on a wall, but White Labs seems happy to give
them out to brewers as well if you want one.
I'm pretty sure what WY1056 = WLP001. I think I've even seen some comments
that it's the same strain. There's also a brand of dry yeast that I believe
is supposed to be identical, which may save you some trouble if they carry
it but have to special order WLP001. I don't remember off the top of my
head which dry yeast it is though. I'm sure someone else on here knows it,
or you can look through old posts and find someone talking about it.
For the WYeast wheat yeasts (3056, 3068) you've got some options.
WLP300 Hefeweizen Ale Yeast
WLP320 Americal Hefeweizen Ale Yeast
WLP351 Bavarian Weizen Yeast (only available certain times of the year)
I've used both 300 and 351 before, both worked out well.
Here's a link I found in an old thread that lists equivalents between
WYeast and White Labs, along with speculations as to the original source
for each strain. I can't verify how accurate it is, but hopefully it
helps out.
http://www.geocities.com/chadclancy/BrewSheet/YeastSource.htm
John.
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 19:52:41
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: White labs vs. Wyeast
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On 29 Sep 2006 19:42:41 GMT, <spam@shagg.net > wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:01:24 -0400, <dormouse@charter.net> wrote:
>> I'm moving soon and the only LHBS only orders white labs yeast on request
>> and carries dry yeast regularly. I have been using smack packs of Wyeast,
>> mainly 1056, 3056, 3068 and am not sure what the equivilent is for white
>> labs. Also I've vever used white labs before. The guy at the LHBS told me he
>> can order white labs at no additional cost to me, just needs a week advance
>> notice. He also told me the white labs he can order are pint vials/jars. I
>> always thought it was a small tube. Is this a different white labs yeast
>> process i.e more yeast or are these vials I hear about 1 pint normally?
>> Thanx in advance.
Oh, and I'm not sure what your LHBS is talking about regarding a pint
vial/jar. The only homebrew yeast package I'm aware of from White Labs is
their tube, which is relatively small (couple ounces?). Maybe a "pint vial"
or "jar" is the package that White Labs sells to commercial brewries? Maybe
the LHBS guy was just confused?
John.
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 15:37:28
From: Al Fresco
Subject: Re: White labs vs. Wyeast
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To find out what the White Labs equivalent for a Wyeast product is, I
always go to morebeer.com or a similar site and search for the number of
the Wyeast offering. It generally comes up as part of the page for the
White Labs homologue.
Gerard Eberlein wrote:
> I'm moving soon and the only LHBS only orders white labs yeast on request
> and carries dry yeast regularly. I have been using smack packs of Wyeast,
> mainly 1056, 3056, 3068 and am not sure what the equivilent is for white
> labs. Also I've vever used white labs before. The guy at the LHBS told me he
> can order white labs at no additional cost to me, just needs a week advance
> notice. He also told me the white labs he can order are pint vials/jars. I
> always thought it was a small tube. Is this a different white labs yeast
> process i.e more yeast or are these vials I hear about 1 pint normally?
> Thanx in advance.
>
> Gerard
>
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