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Date: 04 Jul 2006 01:39:11
From: QD Steve
Subject: Using Rice
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I used some rice on my last brew - a light dry lager. I'm not sure this went
so well. I ran a Kg of rice through the mill on a fine setting to make
finely ground rice (not flour) I mixed this in with the malt and proceeded
to mash.
Now, at the time, this made a lot of sense Why should I cook it first when I
am aware that rice will rehydrate without the aid of heat, given enough
time. However, after 2 hours of mashing it really didn't seem to break down
very much. Not only that, because it is heavy, it gravitated to the bottom
of the tun and ended up going through the stainless braid and into the brew
pot.
Nevertheless, I continued the boil. It seemed as though the proteins as they
coagulated and formed the hot break, helped bind the starchy rice and I
ended up with very clear wort and an unbelievable hot&cold break which I
kept out of the fermenter. I think irish moss was a great help as well
Possible starch haze problems may occur, I'll sus that out during the
lagering period. It was a lesson learnt. Next time I am going to use flaked
rice but in the meantime I think I got away with this one.
BTW, my OG suggested that I did in fact derive some benefit from the rice,
though not optimum and I added a little cane sugar to compensate.
I should state also I *had* to do a short decion because I was short of
my temp goal and couldn't really add any more hot water. This may have
helped the rice a little.
Steve W (in Aus)
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Date: 03 Jul 2006 19:30:45
From: Droopy
Subject: Re: Using Rice
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You have to cook it to gelatinize the starches before you use it.
QD Steve wrote:
> I used some rice on my last brew - a light dry lager. I'm not sure this went
> so well. I ran a Kg of rice through the mill on a fine setting to make
> finely ground rice (not flour) I mixed this in with the malt and proceeded
> to mash.
> Now, at the time, this made a lot of sense Why should I cook it first when I
> am aware that rice will rehydrate without the aid of heat, given enough
> time. However, after 2 hours of mashing it really didn't seem to break down
> very much. Not only that, because it is heavy, it gravitated to the bottom
> of the tun and ended up going through the stainless braid and into the brew
> pot.
> Nevertheless, I continued the boil. It seemed as though the proteins as they
> coagulated and formed the hot break, helped bind the starchy rice and I
> ended up with very clear wort and an unbelievable hot&cold break which I
> kept out of the fermenter. I think irish moss was a great help as well
> Possible starch haze problems may occur, I'll sus that out during the
> lagering period. It was a lesson learnt. Next time I am going to use flaked
> rice but in the meantime I think I got away with this one.
> BTW, my OG suggested that I did in fact derive some benefit from the rice,
> though not optimum and I added a little cane sugar to compensate.
> I should state also I *had* to do a short decion because I was short of
> my temp goal and couldn't really add any more hot water. This may have
> helped the rice a little.
> Steve W (in Aus)
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 14:15:30
From: Stoutman
Subject: Re: Using Rice
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Why are you using rice to begin with? It is my understanding that the big
boys use it (Bud etc.) is to bring up the gravity (cheaper than grain) and
keeps the color down.
Why would these qualities (cheaper and lighter in color) be important to a
home brewer?
IMHO rice gives a funny after taste in beer, it is very unpleasant.
Just curious.
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 11:30:49
From: MDixon
Subject: Re: Using Rice
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Stoutman <.@. > wrote in message
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> IMHO rice gives a funny after taste in beer, it is very unpleasant.
And how many funny aftertaste homebrews with rice have you made?
Cheers,
Mike
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 10:50:24
From: hankB
Subject: Re: Using Rice
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One...and it was like a Bud and cost a lot more in time/supplies so why
bother...flaked maize is another,quite tasty story,however.
Thanks,
Hank
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 15:57:07
From: Stoutman
Subject: Re: Using Rice
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"hankB" <hbienert@cox.net > wrote in message
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> One...and it was like a Bud and cost a lot more in time/supplies so why
> bother...flaked maize is another,quite tasty story,however.
> Thanks,
> Hank
> "
>
I think it is a shame, but most Americans have grown use to the 'ricey'
flavor of beer (Bud, Miller, Coors, etc.) and prefer it to a more 'malty'
beer.
Sad.
>
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 23:29:54
From: QD Steve
Subject: Re: Using Rice
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"Stoutman" <.@. > wrote in message
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> "hankB" <hbienert@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:y7wqg.60627$ZW3.1013@dukeread04...
>> One...and it was like a Bud and cost a lot more in time/supplies so why
>> bother...flaked maize is another,quite tasty story,however.
>> Thanks,
>> Hank
>> "
>>
>
> I think it is a shame, but most Americans have grown use to the 'ricey'
> flavor of beer (Bud, Miller, Coors, etc.) and prefer it to a more 'malty'
> beer.
>
> Sad.
>
I have six beers on the go at the moment.
-Ales
A stout (lots of chocolate malt, roasted barley, oats)
A smokey brown ale (rauch, munich, crystal, pale, wheat and rolled oats)
An IPA (super hoppy with chinook and cascade balanced with 1kg of crystal)
- Lagers
Munich style (60% pils,40% munich)
Bavairian style (all pils, generous late addition hersbruker,bittered with
hop extract)
*And* lastly - this very light, low malt, low hopped and (hopefully) dry
lager style designed to be drunk at 0°C. This is the one with the rice and
sugar.
So, plenty of styles to choose from. And for my next beer? I really can't
think of anything to make ( I dislike wheat beers BTW)
Steve W (in Aus)
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 15:48:44
From: Stoutman
Subject: Re: Using Rice
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"MDixon" <me@privacy.net > wrote in message
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> Stoutman <.@.> wrote in message
> news:6Kuqg.6132$4c7.4131@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
>> IMHO rice gives a funny after taste in beer, it is very unpleasant.
>
> And how many funny aftertaste homebrews with rice have you made?
>
None, but I have tasted several.
> Cheers,
> Mike
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 13:01:20
From: MDixon
Subject: Re: Using Rice
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Stoutman <.@. > wrote in message news:w5wqg.9890$so3.7779@southeast.rr.com...
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> "MDixon" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:4gvga0F1peofjU1@individual.net...
> >
> > Stoutman <.@.> wrote in message
> > news:6Kuqg.6132$4c7.4131@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
> >> IMHO rice gives a funny after taste in beer, it is very unpleasant.
> >
> > And how many funny aftertaste homebrews with rice have you made?
> >
>
> None, but I have tasted several.
Interesting...made with rice that was geltinized or with rice extract? Grain
bill of AG or extract?
As you might be able to tell, I don't agree with your funny aftertaste
assessment in an AG-geltinized rice beer...YMMV...
Cheers,
Mike
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Date: 05 Jul 2006 01:56:26
From: Stoutman
Subject: Re: Using Rice
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"MDixon" <me@privacy.net > wrote in message
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> Stoutman <.@.> wrote in message
> news:w5wqg.9890$so3.7779@southeast.rr.com...
>>
>> "MDixon" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:4gvga0F1peofjU1@individual.net...
>> >
>> > Stoutman <.@.> wrote in message
>> > news:6Kuqg.6132$4c7.4131@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
>> >> IMHO rice gives a funny after taste in beer, it is very unpleasant.
>> >
>> > And how many funny aftertaste homebrews with rice have you made?
>> >
>>
>> None, but I have tasted several.
>
> Interesting...made with rice that was geltinized or with rice extract?
> Grain
> bill of AG or extract?
>
> As you might be able to tell, I don't agree with your funny aftertaste
> assessment in an AG-geltinized rice beer...YMMV...
>
OK sure. Thats why it's called my opinion. That's why I prefeaced it with
IMHO.
FYI. I would put down a Benjamin that I can spot rice in a beer (if used in
'normal' amounts) from a non-rice beer any day of the week! :)
You can't tell me that rice doesn't impact flavor. 'I' definitely taste it.
One guy's opinion.
> Cheers,
> Mike
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Date: 05 Jul 2006 05:21:43
From: MDixon
Subject: Re: Using Rice
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Stoutman <.@. > wrote in message
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> OK sure. Thats why it's called my opinion. That's why I prefeaced it
with
> IMHO.
>
> FYI. I would put down a Benjamin that I can spot rice in a beer (if used
in
> 'normal' amounts) from a non-rice beer any day of the week! :)
>
> You can't tell me that rice doesn't impact flavor. 'I' definitely taste
it.
>
> One guy's opinion.
There was a time I would have taken that bet, especially if you were within
driving distance...;)
Rice contributes no body, but by the same token, little taste as well. I've
used it in a Canadian lager beer that was very smooth and crisp and none of
your funny aftertaste...
Cheers,
Mike
www.ipass.net/mpdixon/
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Date: 05 Jul 2006 16:47:52
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Using Rice
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On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:15:30 GMT, <.@. > wrote:
> Why are you using rice to begin with? It is my understanding that the big
> boys use it (Bud etc.) is to bring up the gravity (cheaper than grain) and
> keeps the color down.
>
> Why would these qualities (cheaper and lighter in color) be important to a
> home brewer?
The quality you're missing (which is more relevant to homebrewers) is that
it also increases the attenuation. IOW, it will bring up the OG without
also bringing up the FG and body of the final beer (at least not to the
same extent that grain would). It would certainly be useful to a homebrewer
who wanted to make a lighter style. It's basically the same thing as
substituting some of the malt with sugar.
> IMHO rice gives a funny after taste in beer, it is very unpleasant.
You must be doing something wrong.
John.
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Date: 05 Jul 2006 08:41:45
From: Denny Conn
Subject: Re: Using Rice
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Stoutman wrote:
> Why would these qualities (cheaper and lighter in color) be important to a
> home brewer?
UIm, becasue you want to make a light, dry beer, maybe? There's nothing
in the world wrong with using rice or any other adjunct. It's HOW you
use it that counts.
> IMHO rice gives a funny after taste in beer, it is very unpleasant.
Don't know what's wrong with your beers...rice doesn't do that for
me....
---------- >Denny
--
Life begins at 60...1.060, that is.
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 03:50:17
From: GeoffT
Subject: Re: Using Rice
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Sounds like your decion saved you.
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Date: 05 Jul 2006 19:16:44
From: Droopy
Subject: Re: Using Rice
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I am with Mike, John and Denny on this one.
If you have any malt at all there will be no significant flavor
contribution from rice.
What rice can do is lighten the flavor enough to expose any off flavors
that are present in your beer.
MDixon wrote:
> Stoutman <.@.> wrote in message
> news:e%Eqg.12567$so3.3075@southeast.rr.com...
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> > OK sure. Thats why it's called my opinion. That's why I prefeaced it
> with
> > IMHO.
> >
> > FYI. I would put down a Benjamin that I can spot rice in a beer (if used
> in
> > 'normal' amounts) from a non-rice beer any day of the week! :)
> >
> > You can't tell me that rice doesn't impact flavor. 'I' definitely taste
> it.
> >
> > One guy's opinion.
>
> There was a time I would have taken that bet, especially if you were within
> driving distance...;)
>
> Rice contributes no body, but by the same token, little taste as well. I've
> used it in a Canadian lager beer that was very smooth and crisp and none of
> your funny aftertaste...
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
> www.ipass.net/mpdixon/
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Date: 06 Jul 2006 03:11:57
From: QD Steve
Subject: Re: Using Rice
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"Droopy" <Droopy68516@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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>I am with Mike, John and Denny on this one.
>
> If you have any malt at all there will be no significant flavor
> contribution from rice.
>
> What rice can do is lighten the flavor enough to expose any off flavors
> that are present in your beer.
Not any off flavors, those resulting from the malt will be proportionally
lower. Those from the yeast will manifest themselves significantly more
though, I should imagine but, not those from the bittering hops.
Steve W (in Aus)
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