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Date: 25 Sep 2006 22:05:18
From: Phil
Subject: Thirty minute boil
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Has anyone done this?
I made an extract version of a dunkelweisse. In the past, I've done
60 minute boils. Tonight, I did a thirty minute boil, adjusting my
bittering hops accordingly.
Will there be any noticeable differences?
Phil
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 21:52:02
From: David M. Taylor
Subject: Re: Thirty minute boil
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"Phil" <dogglebe@yahoooo.com > wrote in message
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> Has anyone done this?
>
> I made an extract version of a dunkelweisse. In the past, I've done
> 60 minute boils. Tonight, I did a thirty minute boil, adjusting my
> bittering hops accordingly.
>
> Will there be any noticeable differences?
If you adjusted your hops correctly, I would say... no. Might be
interesting for a side-by-side comparison though if you have any old stuff
to compare with.
--
Dave
"Just a drink, a little drink, and I'll be feeling GOOooOOooOOooD!" --
Genesis, 1973-ish
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 19:45:25
From: Lefty Skywalker
Subject: Re: Thirty minute boil
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Phil wrote:
> Has anyone done this?
>
> I made an extract version of a dunkelweisse. In the past, I've done
> 60 minute boils. Tonight, I did a thirty minute boil, adjusting my
> bittering hops accordingly.
>
> Will there be any noticeable differences?
Help me out here, my German is so-so. Dunkelweiss = "dark white"?
--
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 08:12:51
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: Thirty minute boil
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Lefty Skywalker wrote:
> Phil wrote:
>> Has anyone done this?
>>
>> I made an extract version of a dunkelweisse. In the past, I've done
>> 60 minute boils. Tonight, I did a thirty minute boil, adjusting my
>> bittering hops accordingly.
>>
>> Will there be any noticeable differences?
>
> Help me out here, my German is so-so. Dunkelweiss = "dark white"?
Dark wheat beer.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 12:52:12
From: jason
Subject: Re: Thirty minute boil
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Lefty Skywalker wrote:
> Phil wrote:
>> Has anyone done this?
>>
>> I made an extract version of a dunkelweisse. In the past, I've done
>> 60 minute boils. Tonight, I did a thirty minute boil, adjusting my
>> bittering hops accordingly.
>>
>> Will there be any noticeable differences?
>
> Help me out here, my German is so-so. Dunkelweiss = "dark white"?
>
I dark wheat beer suspect would be more accurate
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 14:26:57
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Thirty minute boil
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:52:12 GMT, <me@invalid.address.net > wrote:
> Lefty Skywalker wrote:
>> Phil wrote:
>>> Has anyone done this?
>>>
>>> I made an extract version of a dunkelweisse. In the past, I've done
>>> 60 minute boils. Tonight, I did a thirty minute boil, adjusting my
>>> bittering hops accordingly.
>>>
>>> Will there be any noticeable differences?
>>
>> Help me out here, my German is so-so. Dunkelweiss = "dark white"?
>>
>
> I dark wheat beer suspect would be more accurate
I think weiss literally translates as "white", but in brewing it really
means a wheat beer. So in this context it means "dark wheat".
Note: I do not speak German, but I did stay in a Holidy Inn last night.
John.
John.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 13:57:10
From: jason
Subject: Re: Thirty minute boil
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jason wrote:
> Lefty Skywalker wrote:
>> Phil wrote:
>>> Has anyone done this?
>>>
>>> I made an extract version of a dunkelweisse. In the past, I've done
>>> 60 minute boils. Tonight, I did a thirty minute boil, adjusting my
>>> bittering hops accordingly.
>>>
>>> Will there be any noticeable differences?
>>
>> Help me out here, my German is so-so. Dunkelweiss = "dark white"?
>>
>
> I dark wheat beer suspect would be more accurate
Wow, apparenlty I needed more coffee before hitting send on that one.
Let's try that again shall we. I suspect dark wheat beer would be more
accurate a translation.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 15:46:58
From: Joel
Subject: Re: Thirty minute boil
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Phil <dogglebe@yahoooo.com > wrote:
>Has anyone done this?
>
>I made an extract version of a dunkelweisse. In the past, I've done
>60 minute boils. Tonight, I did a thirty minute boil, adjusting my
>bittering hops accordingly.
>
>Will there be any noticeable differences?
I think so. With a 30-minute boil, you'll still get
some flavor components that you wouldn't necessarily get
after a 60-minute boil. If you just wanted to cut down
on the boil time I'd got with 45 minutes-- far enough into
the flattening of the bittering utilization curve to
get decent bittering and far enough into the flavor curve
to have it have less impact.
For what it's worth, a member of my local homebrew club
did an experiment a year or two ago where he brewed a
recipe with only a single hop addition but with a calculated
same bittering level (FWH, 60-minute, 30-minute, and one
later that I forgot the time for). It recently came up
in conversation, with one person saying he thought the
30-minute-only beer had a rougher bitterness/flavor that
just didn't seem right.
--
Joel Plutchak
"Things just fall apart." - Now They'll Sleep (Belly)
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 17:37:07
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Thirty minute boil
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:46:58 +0000 (UTC), <plutchak@see.headers > wrote:
> Phil <dogglebe@yahoooo.com> wrote:
>>Has anyone done this?
>>
>>I made an extract version of a dunkelweisse. In the past, I've done
>>60 minute boils. Tonight, I did a thirty minute boil, adjusting my
>>bittering hops accordingly.
>>
>>Will there be any noticeable differences?
>
> I think so. With a 30-minute boil, you'll still get
> some flavor components that you wouldn't necessarily get
> after a 60-minute boil.
Good point.
John.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 14:15:18
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Thirty minute boil
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On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 22:05:18 -0400, <dogglebe@yahoooo.com > wrote:
> Has anyone done this?
>
> I made an extract version of a dunkelweisse. In the past, I've done
> 60 minute boils. Tonight, I did a thirty minute boil, adjusting my
> bittering hops accordingly.
>
> Will there be any noticeable differences?
Probably not, other than having to use a lot more hops. I don't think
utilization at 30 minutes is going to be very good.
John.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 12:47:39
From: Sheheryar
Subject: Re: Thirty minute boil
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So if you double the hops, you should get the same bittering as of a 60
minute boil with half the hops? Hmm, I have some hops from last season
left.....
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 21:57:23
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Thirty minute boil
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On 26 Sep 2006 12:47:39 -0700, <sheheryarhasnain@hotmail.com > wrote:
> So if you double the hops, you should get the same bittering as of a 60
> minute boil with half the hops? Hmm, I have some hops from last season
> left.....
No, utilization is not linear like that. I would assume you'd need more
than double the hops for it to work right.
John.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 16:59:55
From: Gerard Eberlein
Subject: Re: Thirty minute boil
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"Sheheryar" <sheheryarhasnain@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1159300059.362665.168710@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> So if you double the hops, you should get the same bittering as of a 60
> minute boil with half the hops? Hmm, I have some hops from last season
> left.....
>
Try promash...it's free and sorta easy to use...worst part is initial setup
i.e. gallons vs liters and home brewer vs. commercial is the main ones.
Gerard
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 19:59:44
From: Joel
Subject: Re: Thirty minute boil
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Sheheryar <sheheryarhasnain@hotmail.com > wrote:
>So if you double the hops, you should get the same bittering as of a 60
>minute boil with half the hops?
No, the hop utilization curve is not linear. Do a
web search on "hop utilization table" and you should
find some data.
--
Joel Plutchak
"Things just fall apart." - Now They'll Sleep (Belly)
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 18:59:12
From: Phil
Subject: Re: Thirty minute boil
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:59:44 +0000 (UTC), plutchak@see.headers (Joel)
wrote:
>Sheheryar <sheheryarhasnain@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>So if you double the hops, you should get the same bittering as of a 60
>>minute boil with half the hops?
>
> No, the hop utilization curve is not linear. Do a
>web search on "hop utilization table" and you should
>find some data.
I actually used Pro Mash to figure this out. A third of an ounce of
Centennial (AA 9%) boiled for an hour gives roughly the same
bitterness as three quarters of an ounce at thirty minutes.
It's not exactly the same, but it's close enough.
Phil
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http://www.hbd.org/nychg
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 12:59:40
From: Joel
Subject: Re: Thirty minute boil
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Phil <dogglebe@yahoooo.com > wrote:
>I actually used Pro Mash to figure this out. A third of an ounce of
>Centennial (AA 9%) boiled for an hour gives roughly the same
>bitterness as three quarters of an ounce at thirty minutes.
>
>It's not exactly the same, but it's close enough.
What formula does Promash use? Rager, Tinseth, Garetz,
something else?
--
Joel Plutchak
"Things just fall apart." - Now They'll Sleep (Belly)
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 08:16:19
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: Thirty minute boil
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Joel wrote:
> Phil <dogglebe@yahoooo.com> wrote:
>> I actually used Pro Mash to figure this out. A third of an ounce of
>> Centennial (AA 9%) boiled for an hour gives roughly the same
>> bitterness as three quarters of an ounce at thirty minutes.
>>
>> It's not exactly the same, but it's close enough.
>
> What formula does Promash use? Rager, Tinseth, Garetz,
> something else?
You can choose -- I think it's Rager by default.
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 10:19:26
From: John M
Subject: Re: Thirty minute boil
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A shorter boil will also affect color. Longer boils = darker color.
John
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 19:27:52
From: Phil
Subject: Re: Thirty minute boil
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On 27 Sep 2006 10:19:26 -0700, "John M" <statepenn99@gmail.com > wrote:
>A shorter boil will also affect color. Longer boils = darker color.
I'm also thinking, shorter boils will equal less carmelization.
Phil
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 17:28:58
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Thirty minute boil
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:27:52 -0400, <dogglebe@yahoooo.com > wrote:
> On 27 Sep 2006 10:19:26 -0700, "John M" <statepenn99@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>A shorter boil will also affect color. Longer boils = darker color.
>
> I'm also thinking, shorter boils will equal less carmelization.
True, but both of those are impacted by the volume of your boil. Darkening
and caramelization of the extract are much more of a problem with partial
boils than with full boils.
John.
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