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Date: 10 Sep 2006 19:42:33
From: Lefty Skywalker
Subject: That homebrew aftertaste
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My second batch, an ale from extract & specialty grains, has been two
weeks in the bottle. It has what I can only call that home-brew
aftertaste. It mingles with the hop flavor, goes up the nose a little,
and seems kind of dry in mouth feel. I can't correlate it with any
other flavors I know but I've tasted it in other peoples' home brews.
I'm not enough of a wine snob or epicure to describe it any better.
Any ideas what it is, or help so I don't get it again?
--
Daniel O. Miller
"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the
fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true
science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer marvel, is as good
as dead, and his eyes are dimmed." - Albert Einstein
WWYD? (-o-) <* > Genesis 49:17
Real email address: darth dot lefty at golf mike able india lima.
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 04:20:13
From: Steve/Aus
Subject: Re: That homebrew aftertaste
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"Lefty Skywalker" <dmille15@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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> My second batch, an ale from extract & specialty grains, has been two
> weeks in the bottle. It has what I can only call that home-brew
> aftertaste. It mingles with the hop flavor, goes up the nose a little,
> and seems kind of dry in mouth feel. I can't correlate it with any other
> flavors I know but I've tasted it in other peoples' home brews. I'm not
> enough of a wine snob or epicure to describe it any better.
>
> Any ideas what it is, or help so I don't get it again?
>
> --
> Daniel O. Miller
What was your hopping schedule, varieties, A/A and boil times?
Steve W (in Aus)
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Date: 10 Sep 2006 22:13:23
From: Lefty Skywalker
Subject: Re: That homebrew aftertaste
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Steve/Aus wrote:
> "Lefty Skywalker" <dmille15@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> Any ideas what it is, or help so I don't get it again?
>
> What was your hopping schedule, varieties, A/A and boil times?
1 oz Mt. Hood for 60 minutes. It was a kit, I don't have the math on
it. (Midwest "Black Dog" ale)
--
Daniel O. Miller
"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the
fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true
science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer marvel, is as good
as dead, and his eyes are dimmed." - Albert Einstein
WWYD? (-o-) <* > Genesis 49:17
Real email address: darth dot lefty at golf mike able india lima.
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 06:10:03
From: Steve/Aus
Subject: Re: That homebrew aftertaste
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"Lefty Skywalker" <dmille15@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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> Steve/Aus wrote:
>> "Lefty Skywalker" <dmille15@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> Any ideas what it is, or help so I don't get it again?
>>
>> What was your hopping schedule, varieties, A/A and boil times?
>
> 1 oz Mt. Hood for 60 minutes. It was a kit, I don't have the math on it.
> (Midwest "Black Dog" ale)
>
> --
> Daniel O. Miller
>
1oz isn't very much, I doubt it's a hop problem.
It sounds as if you may have extracted tannins from the husks of the steeped
specialty grains. Generally, water that is too hot can pull these tannins
out. The only other unlikely factor is excessively alkaline water.
Steve W (in Aus)
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 14:39:52
From: John Bleichert
Subject: Re: That homebrew aftertaste
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Steve/Aus <adlab@bigponddotnetdotau.trashthisbit > wrote:
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> "Lefty Skywalker" <dmille15@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4504efe7$0$97231$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>> Steve/Aus wrote:
>>> "Lefty Skywalker" <dmille15@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> Any ideas what it is, or help so I don't get it again?
>>>
>>> What was your hopping schedule, varieties, A/A and boil times?
>>
>> 1 oz Mt. Hood for 60 minutes. It was a kit, I don't have the math on it.
>> (Midwest "Black Dog" ale)
>>
>> --
>> Daniel O. Miller
>>
> 1oz isn't very much, I doubt it's a hop problem.
> It sounds as if you may have extracted tannins from the husks of the steeped
> specialty grains. Generally, water that is too hot can pull these tannins
> out. The only other unlikely factor is excessively alkaline water.
> Steve W (in Aus)
>
>
On a couple of my extract w/ grain batches, I rinsed the grains
with boiling water and got the same astringent effect, due to
all the leeched tannins I believe. Rinsing is good, but keep
the rinse water to 170-180F. I bet steeping the grains in water
that's too hot will do the same thing.
JB
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John Bleichert syborg@earthlink.net
The heat from below can burn your eyes out!!
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 11:13:21
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: That homebrew aftertaste
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John Bleichert wrote:
> Steve/Aus <adlab@bigponddotnetdotau.trashthisbit> wrote:
>
>>"Lefty Skywalker" <dmille15@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:4504efe7$0$97231$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>>
>>>Steve/Aus wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Lefty Skywalker" <dmille15@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>>Any ideas what it is, or help so I don't get it again?
>>>>
>>>>What was your hopping schedule, varieties, A/A and boil times?
>>>
>>>1 oz Mt. Hood for 60 minutes. It was a kit, I don't have the math on it.
>>>(Midwest "Black Dog" ale)
>>>
>>>--
>>>Daniel O. Miller
>>>
>>
>>1oz isn't very much, I doubt it's a hop problem.
>>It sounds as if you may have extracted tannins from the husks of the steeped
>>specialty grains. Generally, water that is too hot can pull these tannins
>>out. The only other unlikely factor is excessively alkaline water.
>>Steve W (in Aus)
>>
>>
>
>
> On a couple of my extract w/ grain batches, I rinsed the grains
> with boiling water and got the same astringent effect, due to
> all the leeched tannins I believe. Rinsing is good, but keep
> the rinse water to 170-180F. I bet steeping the grains in water
> that's too hot will do the same thing.
I rinse as well, but no hotter than 160-170F, same as my steeping temp.
--
Dan
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 17:57:22
From: David M. Taylor
Subject: Re: That homebrew aftertaste
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"Dan Logcher" <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net > wrote in message
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> John Bleichert wrote:
>> On a couple of my extract w/ grain batches, I rinsed the grains with
>> boiling water and got the same astringent effect, due to
>> all the leeched tannins I believe. Rinsing is good, but keep the rinse
>> water to 170-180F. I bet steeping the grains in water
>> that's too hot will do the same thing.
>
> I rinse as well, but no hotter than 160-170F, same as my steeping temp.
I believe 168 F is the official limit... but, of course, you say
poh-TAY-toh, I say poh-TAH-toh.
--
Dave
"Just a drink, a little drink, and I'll be feeling GOOooOOooOOooD!" --
Genesis, 1973-ish
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 16:05:42
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: That homebrew aftertaste
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On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:42:33 -0700, <dmille15@hotmail.com > wrote:
> My second batch, an ale from extract & specialty grains, has been two
> weeks in the bottle. It has what I can only call that home-brew
> aftertaste. It mingles with the hop flavor, goes up the nose a little,
> and seems kind of dry in mouth feel. I can't correlate it with any
> other flavors I know but I've tasted it in other peoples' home brews.
> I'm not enough of a wine snob or epicure to describe it any better.
>
> Any ideas what it is, or help so I don't get it again?
If it's the classic "extract twang" or "cidery flavor" that many people
refer to, common theory is that it has to do with old LME. Was this an
extract batch? If so, how old was your extract?
John.
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 19:17:51
From: Lefty Skywalker
Subject: Re: That homebrew aftertaste
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:42:33 -0700, <dmille15@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> My second batch, an ale from extract & specialty grains, has been two
>> weeks in the bottle. It has what I can only call that home-brew
>> aftertaste. It mingles with the hop flavor, goes up the nose a little,
>> and seems kind of dry in mouth feel. I can't correlate it with any
>> other flavors I know but I've tasted it in other peoples' home brews.
>> I'm not enough of a wine snob or epicure to describe it any better.
>>
>> Any ideas what it is, or help so I don't get it again?
>
> If it's the classic "extract twang" or "cidery flavor" that many people
> refer to, common theory is that it has to do with old LME. Was this an
> extract batch? If so, how old was your extract?
Extract from Midwest. I had it for a couple weeks, dunno how long
Midwest sat on it but not long surely. They assemble their kits after
they get the order. (I know because I turned one big box inside out
looking for bottle caps only to find them in with my IPA kit.) And it's
not tangy.
As for temperature in steeping, the overcooked tea flavors described
sound likely, but I followed the directions closely. They say put in
the grain bag at lukewarm, heat up to 155, hold for 10-30 min, take off
heat and keep steeping for 5-10 min, and then go ahead with the extract
and boil. I can see how getting the temp a little high or the time a
little long might overcook it.
I'm not sure what good it does to take it off the heat for 5 min. The
temperature doesn't change much.
Well, whatever. I'm going to brew my IPA tonight and try the FWH thing
and take less time with the grains.
--
Daniel O. Miller
"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the
fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true
science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer marvel, is as good
as dead, and his eyes are dimmed." - Albert Einstein
WWYD? (-o-) <* > Genesis 49:17
Real email address: darth dot lefty at golf mike able india lima.
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Date: 12 Sep 2006 02:45:31
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: That homebrew aftertaste
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On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:17:51 -0700, <dmille15@hotmail.com > wrote:
>> If it's the classic "extract twang" or "cidery flavor" that many people
>> refer to, common theory is that it has to do with old LME. Was this an
>> extract batch? If so, how old was your extract?
>
> Extract from Midwest. I had it for a couple weeks, dunno how long
> Midwest sat on it but not long surely. They assemble their kits after
> they get the order. (I know because I turned one big box inside out
> looking for bottle caps only to find them in with my IPA kit.) And it's
> not tangy.
Probably not old extract then. I'd guess they make the kits from bulk
extract.
> As for temperature in steeping, the overcooked tea flavors described
> sound likely, but I followed the directions closely. They say put in
> the grain bag at lukewarm, heat up to 155, hold for 10-30 min, take off
> heat and keep steeping for 5-10 min, and then go ahead with the extract
> and boil. I can see how getting the temp a little high or the time a
> little long might overcook it.
It's tough to diagnose without more descriptions of the flavor. Astringency
is often described as a harshness, but it's not really a flavor, more of a
dry sensation. Kind of like chewing on grape skins or sucking on a wet
tea bag. A dry puckery taste/sensation.
If it's astringency, then you're talking about things like steeping grains
at too high of a temp, or over sparging (rinsing) the grains.
John.
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 20:43:17
From: Lefty Skywalker
Subject: Re: That homebrew aftertaste
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> If it's astringency, then you're talking about things like steeping grains
> at too high of a temp, or over sparging (rinsing) the grains.
I'm proceeding under that assumption. The IPA in the pot -- >rightnow<--
got only 10 min with the grain bag.
It would never have occurred to me to suck on a tea bag or eat wet
cardboard, so I'm not sure what they are supposed to taste like.
--
Daniel O. Miller
"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the
fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true
science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer marvel, is as good
as dead, and his eyes are dimmed." - Albert Einstein
WWYD? (-o-) <* > Genesis 49:17
Real email address: darth dot lefty at golf mike able india lima.
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Date: 12 Sep 2006 14:25:58
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: That homebrew aftertaste
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On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:43:17 -0700, <dmille15@hotmail.com > wrote:
> John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
>> If it's astringency, then you're talking about things like steeping grains
>> at too high of a temp, or over sparging (rinsing) the grains.
>
> I'm proceeding under that assumption. The IPA in the pot -->rightnow<--
> got only 10 min with the grain bag.
>
> It would never have occurred to me to suck on a tea bag or eat wet
> cardboard, so I'm not sure what they are supposed to taste like.
Grape skins are the one that I'm most familiar with. If you ever eat grapes,
next time peal some of the skin off of one and chew on the skin by itself.
You'll see what we're talking about pretty quickly.
John.
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 22:52:16
From: Lefty Skywalker
Subject: Re: That homebrew aftertaste
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I guess the last question is, is this something that will clean up if I
leave it sit long enough? Or is it just going to taste like this
forever? Because I have about four more gallons of the stuff to go, and
I'm inclined to pour it out.
--
Daniel O. Miller
"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the
fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true
science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer marvel, is as good
as dead, and his eyes are dimmed." - Albert Einstein
WWYD? (-o-) <* > Genesis 49:17
Real email address: darth dot lefty at golf mike able india lima.
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Date: 12 Sep 2006 07:04:07
From: Steve/Aus
Subject: Re: That homebrew aftertaste
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"Lefty Skywalker" <dmille15@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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>I guess the last question is, is this something that will clean up if I
>leave it sit long enough? Or is it just going to taste like this forever?
>Because I have about four more gallons of the stuff to go, and I'm inclined
>to pour it out.
>
>
> --
> Daniel O. Miller
Don't pour it out! This beer is just so young to commit it so soon.
Stick in a carton, seal it, put it in a cool place and set the alarm on your
PDA for December 23rd.
Steve W (in Aus)
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