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Date: 13 Jun 2006 06:27:33
From: Adam Preble
Subject: Spice Balls for Hops
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I an effort to reduce trub, I was thinking of adding hops in spice
balls. I have a few of them here suitable for the task, and should
serve me fine as long as I don't get into complicated hop additions.
I'm assuming some people have tried this and I'm curious about the
outcome. I'd expect it would have some effect not necessarily on IBU,
but perhaps taste and aroma. Over time, I imagine the acids would be
extracted in the boil as if it were tossed normally. However, I'd think
a spice ball of hops added with 5 minutes left would result in a
different aroma than the same hops tossed freely at the same time.
Thoughts?
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 08:00:59
From: miker
Subject: Re: Spice Balls for Hops
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I've used a large stainless spice/tea ball a few times for leaf
bittering hops. I really think it lowers the ibu's quite a bit. Not
happy with it, and decided last brew that this would be the last time.
Don't think I've ever used it for aroma/flavoring but I do think it
would work great for dry hopping. I keep forgetting to see if it will
fit into a keg.
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 15:13:27
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Spice Balls for Hops
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On 13 Jun 2006 08:00:59 -0700, <mlracette@aol.com > wrote:
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> I've used a large stainless spice/tea ball a few times for leaf
> bittering hops. I really think it lowers the ibu's quite a bit. Not
> happy with it, and decided last brew that this would be the last time.
Getting bitterness from the hops (isomerizing the alpha acids) really relies
on the mechanical action of a good rolling boil. IIRC, this is the primary
reason that using a hop bag (or in this case a spice/tea ball) will lower
your utilization. The bag/ball is essentially acting as a buffer between
the hops and the mechanical action. It's the difference between just soaking
something versus vigorously stirring it.
I don't know about the IBU loss for a spice/tea ball, but I was under
the impression that the loss for using a hop bag wasn't too bad. Maybe
something like 10%. Perhaps the ball acts as much more of a buffer against
the movement of the boil than a bag does? I don't know if that is really
what's going on, but it seems to make sense.
John.
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 12:49:07
From: Drew Avis
Subject: Re: Spice Balls for Hops
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> I don't know about the IBU loss for a spice/tea ball, but I was under
> the impression that the loss for using a hop bag wasn't too bad. Maybe
> something like 10%. Perhaps the ball acts as much more of a buffer
> against
> the movement of the boil than a bag does? I don't know if that is really
> what's going on, but it seems to make sense.
I think it's an expansion issue. Hop bags generally allow the hops to
expand, while a tea ball not so much. Whenever I dig the tea out of a tea
ball, I notice that the stuff in the middle is really packed in there... I
imagine the same thing would happen with hops. So more hop surface area is
accessible by more liquid in a hop bag.
For dry hopping, a tea ball might work. The ones I've got I've noticed are
not 100% SS. The mesh and main ball is, but the little latch isn't. So
submersion in liquid for any length of time may cause some rusting and
(maybe) rust flavour in the beer. To be safe, I'd remove the latch and
replace it with a small loop of copper wire.
Here's a nice big one that should hold 1/2 oz of hops no problem:
http://www.leevalley.com/garden/page.aspx?c=1&p=46797&cat=2,40733,46838
Drew
www.strangebrew.ca
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 12:27:11
From: Bob
Subject: Re: Spice Balls for Hops
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"Drew Avis" <aavis@null.net > wrote in message news:t%Bjg.109$Nn5.903@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > I don't know about the IBU loss for a spice/tea ball, but I was under
> > the impression that the loss for using a hop bag wasn't too bad. Maybe
> > something like 10%. Perhaps the ball acts as much more of a buffer
> > against
> > the movement of the boil than a bag does? I don't know if that is really
> > what's going on, but it seems to make sense.
>
> I think it's an expansion issue. Hop bags generally allow the hops to
> expand, while a tea ball not so much. Whenever I dig the tea out of a tea
> ball, I notice that the stuff in the middle is really packed in there... I
> imagine the same thing would happen with hops. So more hop surface area is
> accessible by more liquid in a hop bag.
>
> For dry hopping, a tea ball might work. The ones I've got I've noticed are
> not 100% SS. The mesh and main ball is, but the little latch isn't. So
> submersion in liquid for any length of time may cause some rusting and
> (maybe) rust flavour in the beer. To be safe, I'd remove the latch and
> replace it with a small loop of copper wire.
>
> Here's a nice big one that should hold 1/2 oz of hops no problem:
> http://www.leevalley.com/garden/page.aspx?c=1&p=46797&cat=2,40733,46838
>
> Drew
> www.strangebrew.ca
>
I tried a tea ball on one of my first batches. The hops were so tight in the ball
when It was done, that I'm sure very little of the hops got into the beer.
Bob
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 14:58:43
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Spice Balls for Hops
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 06:27:33 GMT, <rockobonaparte@hotmail.com > wrote:
> I an effort to reduce trub, I was thinking of adding hops in spice
> balls. I have a few of them here suitable for the task, and should
> serve me fine as long as I don't get into complicated hop additions.
> I'm assuming some people have tried this and I'm curious about the
> outcome. I'd expect it would have some effect not necessarily on IBU,
> but perhaps taste and aroma. Over time, I imagine the acids would be
> extracted in the boil as if it were tossed normally. However, I'd think
> a spice ball of hops added with 5 minutes left would result in a
> different aroma than the same hops tossed freely at the same time.
> Thoughts?
The standard equivalent of this is to use hop bags during the boil. It
would basically do the same things as a spice ball. IIRC, the utilization
(IE bitterness) is effected. I don't know about any effects on flavor/aroma
though.
John.
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 13:26:38
From: Sam G. Daher
Subject: Re: Spice Balls for Hops
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I have a friend who puts pellet hops in panty hose and drops in the boil.
The fiber is wound tight enough to keep in hops and not affect flavor. I
know that he purchases new hose to do this but everytime i drink his beer i
have the ominous feeling it tastes like his ugly wifes feet. I cant get it
out of my head, but he does win a lot of competiions and i use to really
enjoy his beer before knowing his method. Its like eating in a restaurant
after touring the kitchen and seeing the cooks and conditions your food is
prepared you may not wnat to eat after that experience. We believe that the
signs for the cooks to wash their hands posted in the bathrooms work and
they really do was there hands.We live in a constant state of denial. Shit,
i am getting off topic.
lata
George.
"Adam Preble" <rockobonaparte@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:pVsjg.24248$0v4.22587@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>I an effort to reduce trub, I was thinking of adding hops in spice balls.
>I have a few of them here suitable for the task, and should serve me fine
>as long as I don't get into complicated hop additions. I'm assuming some
>people have tried this and I'm curious about the outcome. I'd expect it
>would have some effect not necessarily on IBU, but perhaps taste and aroma.
>Over time, I imagine the acids would be extracted in the boil as if it were
>tossed normally. However, I'd think a spice ball of hops added with 5
>minutes left would result in a different aroma than the same hops tossed
>freely at the same time. Thoughts?
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Date: 14 Jun 2006 02:55:25
From: Artarius
Subject: Re: Spice Balls for Hops
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I feel a new recipe comin' on Wife's Ugly Feets Breuuuuw -eheh
"Sam G. Daher" <Daffy@duck.com > wrote in message
news:i2zjg.114417$dW3.38090@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>I have a friend who puts pellet hops in panty hose and drops in the boil.
>The fiber is wound tight enough to keep in hops and not affect flavor. I
>know that he purchases new hose to do this but everytime i drink his beer i
>have the ominous feeling it tastes like his ugly wifes feet. I cant get it
>out of my head, but he does win a lot of competiions and i use to really
>enjoy his beer before knowing his method. Its like eating in a restaurant
>after touring the kitchen and seeing the cooks and conditions your food is
>prepared you may not wnat to eat after that experience. We believe that the
>signs for the cooks to wash their hands posted in the bathrooms work and
>they really do was there hands.We live in a constant state of denial. Shit,
>i am getting off topic.
> lata
> George.
>
> "Adam Preble" <rockobonaparte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:pVsjg.24248$0v4.22587@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>I an effort to reduce trub, I was thinking of adding hops in spice balls.
>>I have a few of them here suitable for the task, and should serve me fine
>>as long as I don't get into complicated hop additions. I'm assuming some
>>people have tried this and I'm curious about the outcome. I'd expect it
>>would have some effect not necessarily on IBU, but perhaps taste and
>>aroma. Over time, I imagine the acids would be extracted in the boil as if
>>it were tossed normally. However, I'd think a spice ball of hops added
>>with 5 minutes left would result in a different aroma than the same hops
>>tossed freely at the same time. Thoughts?
>
>
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Date: 14 Jun 2006 11:39:25
From: Sam G. Daher
Subject: Re: Spice Balls for Hops
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You go for it. Ugly feet are a deal buster. How bout toe jam ale/lager
yuk!!!
not no but hell no!
George.
"Artarius" <someone@microsoft.com > wrote in message
news:xUKjg.25031$bk5.9836@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>I feel a new recipe comin' on Wife's Ugly Feets Breuuuuw -eheh
>
> "Sam G. Daher" <Daffy@duck.com> wrote in message
> news:i2zjg.114417$dW3.38090@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>I have a friend who puts pellet hops in panty hose and drops in the boil.
>>The fiber is wound tight enough to keep in hops and not affect flavor. I
>>know that he purchases new hose to do this but everytime i drink his beer
>>i have the ominous feeling it tastes like his ugly wifes feet. I cant get
>>it out of my head, but he does win a lot of competiions and i use to
>>really enjoy his beer before knowing his method. Its like eating in a
>>restaurant after touring the kitchen and seeing the cooks and conditions
>>your food is prepared you may not wnat to eat after that experience. We
>>believe that the signs for the cooks to wash their hands posted in the
>>bathrooms work and they really do was there hands.We live in a constant
>>state of denial. Shit, i am getting off topic.
>> lata
>> George.
>>
>> "Adam Preble" <rockobonaparte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:pVsjg.24248$0v4.22587@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>I an effort to reduce trub, I was thinking of adding hops in spice balls.
>>>I have a few of them here suitable for the task, and should serve me fine
>>>as long as I don't get into complicated hop additions. I'm assuming some
>>>people have tried this and I'm curious about the outcome. I'd expect it
>>>would have some effect not necessarily on IBU, but perhaps taste and
>>>aroma. Over time, I imagine the acids would be extracted in the boil as
>>>if it were tossed normally. However, I'd think a spice ball of hops
>>>added with 5 minutes left would result in a different aroma than the same
>>>hops tossed freely at the same time. Thoughts?
>>
>>
>
>
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 13:13:02
From: David James
Subject: Re: Spice Balls for Hops
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Adam Preble <rockobonaparte@hotmail.com > wrote in news:pVsjg.24248
$0v4.22587@tornado.texas.rr.com:
> I an effort to reduce trub, I was thinking of adding hops in spice
> balls. I have a few of them here suitable for the task, and should
> serve me fine as long as I don't get into complicated hop additions.
> I'm assuming some people have tried this and I'm curious about the
> outcome. I'd expect it would have some effect not necessarily on IBU,
> but perhaps taste and aroma. Over time, I imagine the acids would be
> extracted in the boil as if it were tossed normally. However, I'd think
> a spice ball of hops added with 5 minutes left would result in a
> different aroma than the same hops tossed freely at the same time.
> Thoughts?
I use stainless steel rice cookers when I use quantities of pellet hops.
They are basically the same thing as tea diffusers - but about the size of
a softball. They work great for bittering - I haven't used them for
aromatics as I usually will do that addition with whole hops that filter
well through the false bottom. I think they were purchased at William
Sonoma or however that culinary store is named.
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 11:17:01
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Spice Balls for Hops
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Adam Preble <rockobonaparte@hotmail.com > wrote:
> I an effort to reduce trub, I was thinking of adding hops in spice
> balls. I have a few of them here suitable for the task, and should
> serve me fine as long as I don't get into complicated hop additions.
> I'm assuming some people have tried this and I'm curious about the
> outcome. I'd expect it would have some effect not necessarily on IBU,
> but perhaps taste and aroma. Over time, I imagine the acids would be
> extracted in the boil as if it were tossed normally. However, I'd think
> a spice ball of hops added with 5 minutes left would result in a
> different aroma than the same hops tossed freely at the same time.
> Thoughts?
I use a hop sock which is made for that exact purpose. I've never seen
a spice ball. If it is anything like a tea ball, it would work with
leaf hops.
But why not use a false bottom?
Dick
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