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Date: 24 Nov 2006 02:48:39
From: Wayne
Subject: Siphon versus spigot
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The brewing bucket I bought back in the dark ages is a 25 litre job with no
tap (spigot, whatever) and I also have a 20 litre secondary with a spigot.
Now, I'm totally useless at using a siphon and have to resort to sucking
on the end to get the beer to run to my keg and then spraying the end with
ethyl alcohol hoping it kills any germs I may have transferred. So, my
choices are buying another 25 litre bucket with a spigot, which seems like
a waste of money, somehow making a hole in the side of my current bucket
without messing it up or drilling holes in the bottom of it and jamming it
down into the smaller secondary without messing it up. Bear in mind that
I'm totally useless at an kind of home handy-work and have to call in an
electrician to change a light-bulb!
Any suggestions? apart from learning how to siphon :-)
Cheers
Wayne
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http://www.geocities.jp/rondonko/
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 05:26:18
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 04:41:58 +0000, Dick Adams wrote:
> Wayne <rondonjin@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> ...
>> Now, I'm totally useless at using a siphon and have to resort
>> to sucking on the end to get the beer to run to my keg .....
>
> Welcome to the club! For me siphoning is a two person job.
> I work the auto-siphon so it does not jump out of the bucket
> and my childbride holds the hose in the secondary or the keg
> so the hose does not come out when I start the siphon.
Well, there's only one of me so unless I clone myself there's
no one to help me :-) At least the whole 23 litres is for
myself :-)
>> So, my choices are buying another 25 litre bucket with a
>> spigot ......, somehow making a hole in the side of my
>> current bucket without messing it up or drilling holes in
>> the bottom of it .....
>
> Do not drill holes in the bottom!
Noted
> I too was under the delusion that a spigot was a great idea.
> It may help moving the wort, but the detail cleaning of the
> spigot after each use is a real pain. It's not obvious with
> Mead, but brew a dark ale and you will see the crud build up
> in the spigot threads!
At the moment I'm only making kits and will probably move up
to extract and speciality grains sometime next year and stay
there. The kit and space and time in mashing is too much for
me right now. I don't mind cleaning, it's the siphoning I
hate!
My 12-year-old son has a modeling 'hot knife' Perhaps I can
use that to make a hole in the side so I can use the spigot
from the unused secondary bucket. I wonder how far up it has
to be from the bottom? Same as the secondary, perhaps?
Wayne
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 07:12:35
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
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Oh my gawd, not with a hot knife!
Take your pail to your LHBS and have them put the spigot on it!
Dick
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 04:41:58
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
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Wayne <rondonjin@yahoo.com > wrote:
> ...
> Now, I'm totally useless at using a siphon and have to resort
> to sucking on the end to get the beer to run to my keg .....
Welcome to the club! For me siphoning is a two person job.
I work the auto-siphon so it does not jump out of the bucket
and my childbride holds the hose in the secondary or the keg
so the hose does not come out when I start the siphon.
> So, my choices are buying another 25 litre bucket with a
> spigot ......, somehow making a hole in the side of my
> current bucket without messing it up or drilling holes in
> the bottom of it .....
Do not drill holes in the bottom!
I too was under the delusion that a spigot was a great idea.
It may help moving the wort, but the detail cleaning of the
spigot after each use is a real pain. It's not obvious with
Mead, but brew a dark ale and you will see the crud build up
in the spigot threads!
Dick
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 10:10:22
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
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Dick Adams wrote:
> Wayne <rondonjin@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>...
>>Now, I'm totally useless at using a siphon and have to resort
>>to sucking on the end to get the beer to run to my keg .....
>
>
> Welcome to the club! For me siphoning is a two person job.
> I work the auto-siphon so it does not jump out of the bucket
> and my childbride holds the hose in the secondary or the keg
> so the hose does not come out when I start the siphon.
Really takes two people? I put the auto-siphon in the bucket,
the bucket is on a slight tilt. The siphon sit fine at an angle,
in the lowest point of the bucket. I can then take the hose and
stick it in the carboy all the way to the bottom. Then I can
operate the auto-siphon freely. I've never had any problems with
this method.
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Dan
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 06:34:24
From: Steve
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 04:41:58 -0000, rdadams@smart.net (Dick Adams)
wrote:
>Wayne <rondonjin@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Welcome to the club! For me siphoning is a two person job.
>I work the auto-siphon so it does not jump out of the bucket
>and my childbride holds the hose in the secondary or the keg
>so the hose does not come out when I start the siphon.
Dick:
Sounds like you need a longer hose on the auto-syphon. My wife and I
are one person Auto-syphon operators <grin >.
Steve
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 12:34:49
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 04:14:59 -0800, MarkMc wrote:
> That's a shame as it sounds like your best bet. I have one, and it's
> excellent.
>
> I've fitted taps/spiggots to plastic containers before. The HB trade here
> seem to use the same taps as those that fit in water butts. You can get
> those from the DIY/garden centre here in the UK.
>
> I'd place the hole on the side about 1" (25mm) from the bottom for a
> secondary fermenter.
>
> Measure the diameter of the thread of the tap, and buy a forstner drill
> bit of that diameter and drill the hole with an electric drill on a medium
> speed. A good idea is to drill a 'pilot' hole with a much smaller drill
> bit first to guide the larger forstner bit accurately through the plastic.
>
> Normally rubber washers go on the inside of vessels, but mount the tap
> with the rubber washer on the outside, and do up the inner nut as tight as
> you can do it by hand - it doesn't need to be spanner tight.
>
> I hope these items are available for you. And I hope this will help.
Yeah, it's a bit of a pain not being able to buy things that you
guys take for granted so I have to make do. My kit is about 10
years old and still measured in inches!
Since I posted my last message I had mail from a 'friend' who is
moving. For helping her set-up her Mac to the Net, TV, DVD recorder
and stuff (She's hopeless with electronic stuff and usually calls in
an engineer to connect then up) she will buy me a new bucket!
An offer I can't turn down! :-) PCs I can handle, DIY no chance!
That means I don't have to use the spigot from my secondary and can
use it to hold cold water to mix with 2 litres of hot wort according
to the kit instructions instead of topping it up with a measuring jug!
Time to get back to my 4th pint :-)
Cheers
Wayne
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http://www.geocities.jp/rondonko/
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 12:33:44
From: Artarius
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
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Believe it or not I have a plastic hand siphon pump that I bought from
Norther tool for $3.50 that works well. It unscrews apart for
cleaning/sanitation, and works well for sampling for a hydrometer test.
Just the same as any other siphon, primary higher than the receiving
vessel and attach the hose to the end and pump the handle a few times
till the wort reaches the pump and stop. Then just unplug from it on top
of carboy and drain. I've even left it at the end with wort waiting to
drain for a few minutes while I was distracted with no drainback.
Of course I sanitize everything before doing so. Kills two gadgets
(autosiphon/wine thief) with one easily cleanable $3.50 hand pump.
I think I found it in the fuel section, and have only used it for brewing.
KISS (K.eep I.t S.imple S.tupid) :)
Cheep too!
Wayne wrote:
> The brewing bucket I bought back in the dark ages is a 25 litre job with no
> tap (spigot, whatever) and I also have a 20 litre secondary with a spigot.
> Now, I'm totally useless at using a siphon and have to resort to sucking
> on the end to get the beer to run to my keg and then spraying the end with
> ethyl alcohol hoping it kills any germs I may have transferred. So, my
> choices are buying another 25 litre bucket with a spigot, which seems like
> a waste of money, somehow making a hole in the side of my current bucket
> without messing it up or drilling holes in the bottom of it and jamming it
> down into the smaller secondary without messing it up. Bear in mind that
> I'm totally useless at an kind of home handy-work and have to call in an
> electrician to change a light-bulb!
>
> Any suggestions? apart from learning how to siphon :-)
>
> Cheers
>
> Wayne
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 12:32:56
From: Artarius
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
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Believe it or not I have a plastic hand siphon pump that I bought from
Norther tool for $3.50 that works well. It unscrews apart for
cleaning/sanitation, and works well for sampling for a hydrometer test.
Just the same as any other siphon, primary higher than the receiving
vessel and attach the hose to the end and pump the handle a few times
till the wort reaches the pump and stop. Then just unplug from it on top
of carboy and drain. I've even left it at the end with wort waiting to
drain for a few minutes while I was distracted with no drainback.
Of course I sanitize everything before doing so. Kills two gadgets
(autosiphon/wine thief) with one easily cleanable $3.50 hand pump.
I think I found it in the fuel section, and have only used it for brewing.
KISS (K.eep I.t S.imple S.tupid) :)
Cheep too!
Wayne wrote:
> The brewing bucket I bought back in the dark ages is a 25 litre job with no
> tap (spigot, whatever) and I also have a 20 litre secondary with a spigot.
> Now, I'm totally useless at using a siphon and have to resort to sucking
> on the end to get the beer to run to my keg and then spraying the end with
> ethyl alcohol hoping it kills any germs I may have transferred. So, my
> choices are buying another 25 litre bucket with a spigot, which seems like
> a waste of money, somehow making a hole in the side of my current bucket
> without messing it up or drilling holes in the bottom of it and jamming it
> down into the smaller secondary without messing it up. Bear in mind that
> I'm totally useless at an kind of home handy-work and have to call in an
> electrician to change a light-bulb!
>
> Any suggestions? apart from learning how to siphon :-)
>
> Cheers
>
> Wayne
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 12:26:24
From: Artarius
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
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Believe it or not I have a plastic hand siphon pump that I bought from
Norther tool for $3.50 that works well. It unscrews apart for
cleaning/sanitation, and works well for sampling for a hydrometer test.
Just the same as any other siphon, primary higher than the receiving
vessel and attach the hose to the end and pump the handle a few times
till the wort reaches the pump and stop. Then just unplug from it on top
of carboy and drain. I've even left it at the end with wort waiting to
drain for a few minutes while I was distracted with no drainback.
Of course I sanitize everything before doing so. Kills two gadgets
(autosiphon/wine thief) with one easily cleanable $3.50 hand pump.
I think I found it in the fuel section, and have only used it for brewing.
KISS (K.eep I.t S.imple S.tupid) :)
Cheep too!
Wayne wrote:
> The brewing bucket I bought back in the dark ages is a 25 litre job with no
> tap (spigot, whatever) and I also have a 20 litre secondary with a spigot.
> Now, I'm totally useless at using a siphon and have to resort to sucking
> on the end to get the beer to run to my keg and then spraying the end with
> ethyl alcohol hoping it kills any germs I may have transferred. So, my
> choices are buying another 25 litre bucket with a spigot, which seems like
> a waste of money, somehow making a hole in the side of my current bucket
> without messing it up or drilling holes in the bottom of it and jamming it
> down into the smaller secondary without messing it up. Bear in mind that
> I'm totally useless at an kind of home handy-work and have to call in an
> electrician to change a light-bulb!
>
> Any suggestions? apart from learning how to siphon :-)
>
> Cheers
>
> Wayne
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 12:19:56
From: Artarius
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
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Believe it or not I have a plastic hand siphon pump that I bought from
Norther tool for $3.50 that works well. It unscrews apart for
cleaning/sanitation, and works well for sampling for a hydrometer test.
Just the same as any other siphon, primary higher than the receiving
vessel and attach the hose to the end and pump the handle a few times
till the wort reaches the pump and stop. Then just unplug from it on top
of carboy and drain. I've even left it at the end with wort waiting to
drain for a few minutes while I was distracted with no drainback.
Of course I sanitize everything before doing so. Kills two gadgets
(autosiphon/wine thief) with one easily cleanable $3.50 hand pump.
I think I found it in the fuel section, and have only used it for brewing.
KISS (K.eep I.t S.imple S.tupid) :)
Cheep too!
Wayne wrote:
> The brewing bucket I bought back in the dark ages is a 25 litre job with no
> tap (spigot, whatever) and I also have a 20 litre secondary with a spigot.
> Now, I'm totally useless at using a siphon and have to resort to sucking
> on the end to get the beer to run to my keg and then spraying the end with
> ethyl alcohol hoping it kills any germs I may have transferred. So, my
> choices are buying another 25 litre bucket with a spigot, which seems like
> a waste of money, somehow making a hole in the side of my current bucket
> without messing it up or drilling holes in the bottom of it and jamming it
> down into the smaller secondary without messing it up. Bear in mind that
> I'm totally useless at an kind of home handy-work and have to call in an
> electrician to change a light-bulb!
>
> Any suggestions? apart from learning how to siphon :-)
>
> Cheers
>
> Wayne
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 12:37:00
From: Artarius
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
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sorrry about the quadruple post thinderbird is giving me fits.
Artarius wrote:
> Believe it or not I have a plastic hand siphon pump that I bought from
> Norther tool for $3.50 that works well. It unscrews apart for
> cleaning/sanitation, and works well for sampling for a hydrometer test.
> Just the same as any other siphon, primary higher than the receiving
> vessel and attach the hose to the end and pump the handle a few times
> till the wort reaches the pump and stop. Then just unplug from it on top
> of carboy and drain. I've even left it at the end with wort waiting to
> drain for a few minutes while I was distracted with no drainback.
> Of course I sanitize everything before doing so. Kills two gadgets
> (autosiphon/wine thief) with one easily cleanable $3.50 hand pump.
> I think I found it in the fuel section, and have only used it for brewing.
> KISS (K.eep I.t S.imple S.tupid) :)
> Cheep too!
>
> Wayne wrote:
>> The brewing bucket I bought back in the dark ages is a 25 litre job
>> with no
>> tap (spigot, whatever) and I also have a 20 litre secondary with a
>> spigot.
>> Now, I'm totally useless at using a siphon and have to resort to sucking
>> on the end to get the beer to run to my keg and then spraying the end
>> with
>> ethyl alcohol hoping it kills any germs I may have transferred. So, my
>> choices are buying another 25 litre bucket with a spigot, which seems
>> like
>> a waste of money, somehow making a hole in the side of my current bucket
>> without messing it up or drilling holes in the bottom of it and
>> jamming it
>> down into the smaller secondary without messing it up. Bear in mind that
>> I'm totally useless at an kind of home handy-work and have to call in an
>> electrician to change a light-bulb!
>>
>> Any suggestions? apart from learning how to siphon :-)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Wayne
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 04:14:59
From: MarkMc
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
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> Yes, looks a very useful gadget and only about $10. Unfortunately, it
> will probably cost 2 or 3 times that for shipping and I have no credit
> cards to purchase items from abroad so I have to make do with what I
> can buy here, which isn't very much.
That's a shame as it sounds like your best bet. I have one, and it's
excellent.
I've fitted taps/spiggots to plastic containers before. The HB trade
here seem to use the same taps as those that fit in water butts. You
can get those from the DIY/garden centre here in the UK.
I'd place the hole on the side about 1" (25mm) from the bottom for a
secondary fermenter.
Measure the diameter of the thread of the tap, and buy a forstner drill
bit of that diameter and drill the hole with an electric drill on a
medium speed. A good idea is to drill a 'pilot' hole with a much
smaller drill bit first to guide the larger forstner bit accurately
through the plastic.
Normally rubber washers go on the inside of vessels, but mount the tap
with the rubber washer on the outside, and do up the inner nut as tight
as you can do it by hand - it doesn't need to be spanner tight.
I hope these items are available for you. And I hope this will help.
Cheers,
Mark
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 11:17:46
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 05:01:51 -0600, Carter Cathey wrote:
> The auto-siphon makes it easy to start a flow without having to suck on
> the hose or fill with water or any thing like that. I just bought the new
> mini-siphon too to use with my 1 gallon wine batches.
>
> For my money, the auto-siphon is worth every penny.
Yes, looks a very useful gadget and only about $10. Unfortunately, it
will probably cost 2 or 3 times that for shipping and I have no credit
cards to purchase items from abroad so I have to make do with what I
can buy here, which isn't very much.
Wayne
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http://www.geocities.jp/rondonko/
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 05:01:51
From: Carter Cathey
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
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The auto-siphon makes it easy to start a flow without having to suck on the
hose or fill with water or any thing like that. I just bought the new
mini-siphon too to use with my 1 gallon wine batches.
For my money, the auto-siphon is worth every penny.
Carter
"Wayne" <rondonjin@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:ek5mi7$r44$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> The brewing bucket I bought back in the dark ages is a 25 litre job with
> no
> tap (spigot, whatever) and I also have a 20 litre secondary with a spigot.
> Now, I'm totally useless at using a siphon and have to resort to sucking
> on the end to get the beer to run to my keg and then spraying the end with
> ethyl alcohol hoping it kills any germs I may have transferred. So, my
> choices are buying another 25 litre bucket with a spigot, which seems like
> a waste of money, somehow making a hole in the side of my current bucket
> without messing it up or drilling holes in the bottom of it and jamming it
> down into the smaller secondary without messing it up. Bear in mind that
> I'm totally useless at an kind of home handy-work and have to call in an
> electrician to change a light-bulb!
>
> Any suggestions? apart from learning how to siphon :-)
>
> Cheers
>
> Wayne
> --
> Registered Linux user #375994
> http://www.geocities.jp/rondonko/
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 07:15:34
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 07:12:35 +0000, Dick Adams wrote:
> Oh my gawd, not with a hot knife!
>
> Take your pail to your LHBS and have them put the spigot on it!
>
> Dick
There aren't any in Japan. Well, not like in the UK and US. I
can buy a limited number of supplies but can't get anything
done like that. Looks like the only option is to spend the
4,500 yen for a bucket that could have got me a couple of kits
:-(
Wayne
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Registered Linux user #375994
http://www.geocities.jp/rondonko/
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Date: 25 Nov 2006 23:19:42
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
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On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:09:11 -0800, Bob F wrote:
>> Any suggestions? apart from learning how to siphon
>
> All you need is something to stick in the end of your siphon hose to go
> between you and the siphon. A chunk of smaller tubing that fits snuggly
> inside the siphon, or a larger one that fits outside it, or even a straw,
> or the hard part of a turkey baster. Sanitize it, stick it into the
> siphon, and suck until the siphon has enough beer in it. Then hold it at a
> level that maintains a steady beer level, remove the 'sucker' and put the
> outlet wherever you need it.
That is so simple, it's brilliant! I've got some larger tubing
at another location doing nothing. This is just in time as I
put my stout in the fermenter yesterday at about 1pm and when I
looked at it this morning at 7am it was already bubbling away.
I'm wondering if it's the 11gm pack of Safale yeast I used in
place of the 5gm kit yeast or maybe I took more time to aerate
the wort or maybe had more control over the temperature or....
Keeping all fingers and toes crossed that my second brew comes
out better than the first! Of course, I'm going to make sure it
comes out under 1% ABV :-)
Cheers
Wayne
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http://www.geocities.jp/rondonko/
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Date: 25 Nov 2006 15:09:11
From: Bob F
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
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"Wayne" <rondonjin@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:ek5mi7$r44$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> The brewing bucket I bought back in the dark ages is a 25 litre job with
no
> tap (spigot, whatever) and I also have a 20 litre secondary with a spigot.
> Now, I'm totally useless at using a siphon and have to resort to sucking
> on the end to get the beer to run to my keg and then spraying the end with
> ethyl alcohol hoping it kills any germs I may have transferred. So, my
> choices are buying another 25 litre bucket with a spigot, which seems like
> a waste of money, somehow making a hole in the side of my current bucket
> without messing it up or drilling holes in the bottom of it and jamming it
> down into the smaller secondary without messing it up. Bear in mind that
> I'm totally useless at an kind of home handy-work and have to call in an
> electrician to change a light-bulb!
>
> Any suggestions? apart from learning how to siphon :-)
All you need is something to stick in the end of your siphon
hose to go between you and the siphon. A chunk of smaller
tubing that fits snuggly inside the siphon, or a larger one that
fits outside it, or even a straw, or the hard part of a turkey
baster. Sanitize it, stick it into the siphon, and suck until the
siphon has enough beer in it. Then hold it at a level that maintains
a steady beer level, remove the 'sucker' and put the outlet
wherever you need it.
Bob
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Date: 26 Nov 2006 18:27:00
From: Scott Sellers
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
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Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com >:
>"Wayne" <rondonjin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:ek5mi7$r44$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> The brewing bucket I bought back in the dark ages is a 25
>> litre job with
>no
>> tap (spigot, whatever) and I also have a 20 litre secondary
>> with a spigot. Now, I'm totally useless at using a siphon and
>> have to resort to sucking on the end to get the beer to run to
>> my keg and then spraying the end with ethyl alcohol hoping it
>> kills any germs I may have transferred. So, my choices are
>> buying another 25 litre bucket with a spigot, which seems like
>> a waste of money, somehow making a hole in the side of my
>> current bucket without messing it up or drilling holes in the
>> bottom of it and jamming it down into the smaller secondary
>> without messing it up. Bear in mind that I'm totally useless
>> at an kind of home handy-work and have to call in an
>> electrician to change a light-bulb!
>>
>> Any suggestions? apart from learning how to siphon :-)
>All you need is something to stick in the end of your siphon
>hose to go between you and the siphon. A chunk of smaller tubing
>that fits snuggly inside the siphon, or a larger one that fits
>outside it, or even a straw, or the hard part of a turkey
>baster. Sanitize it, stick it into the siphon, and suck until
>the siphon has enough beer in it. Then hold it at a level that
>maintains a steady beer level, remove the 'sucker' and put the
>outlet wherever you need it.
Here's what I do: 1) attach the hose to the racking cane, and
fill both with water. 2) Maintain in a 'U' position, so the
water doesn't run out. 3) Put the working end of the cane into
the beer. Keep thumb over the hose end. 4) Put the hose end
into kettle/bucket/carboy. 5) Release thumb.
No fuss, no muss.
cheers,
Scott S
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Date: 26 Nov 2006 22:15:46
From: Bob F
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
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"Scott Sellers" <scottsellers@mindspring.com > wrote in message
news:U%kah.3692
> >> Any suggestions? apart from learning how to siphon :-)
>
> >All you need is something to stick in the end of your siphon
> >hose to go between you and the siphon. A chunk of smaller tubing
> >that fits snuggly inside the siphon, or a larger one that fits
> >outside it, or even a straw, or the hard part of a turkey
> >baster. Sanitize it, stick it into the siphon, and suck until
> >the siphon has enough beer in it. Then hold it at a level that
> >maintains a steady beer level, remove the 'sucker' and put the
> >outlet wherever you need it.
>
> Here's what I do: 1) attach the hose to the racking cane, and
> fill both with water. 2) Maintain in a 'U' position, so the
> water doesn't run out. 3) Put the working end of the cane into
> the beer. Keep thumb over the hose end. 4) Put the hose end
> into kettle/bucket/carboy. 5) Release thumb.
>
> No fuss, no muss.
>
It just seems like too much extra hassle to me.
Bob
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 23:19:45
From: Scott Sellers
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
|
Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com >:
>"Scott Sellers" <scottsellers@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:U%kah.3692
>> >> Any suggestions? apart from learning how to siphon :-)
>>
>> >All you need is something to stick in the end of your siphon
>> >hose to go between you and the siphon. A chunk of smaller
>> >tubing that fits snuggly inside the siphon, or a larger one
>> >that fits outside it, or even a straw, or the hard part of a
>> >turkey baster. Sanitize it, stick it into the siphon, and
>> >suck until the siphon has enough beer in it. Then hold it at
>> >a level that maintains a steady beer level, remove the
>> >'sucker' and put the outlet wherever you need it.
>>
>> Here's what I do: 1) attach the hose to the racking cane, and
>> fill both with water. 2) Maintain in a 'U' position, so the
>> water doesn't run out. 3) Put the working end of the cane
>> into the beer. Keep thumb over the hose end. 4) Put the hose
>> end into kettle/bucket/carboy. 5) Release thumb.
>>
>> No fuss, no muss.
>It just seems like too much extra hassle to me.
I'll race ya anytime. By the time you have your straw sanitized,
applied, sucked, and removed, my siphon will be long since
flowing.
Won't spill a drop, either. ;)
cheers,
Scott S
--
Scott Sellers
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 21:48:55
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
|
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 22:15:46 -0800, <bobnospam@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> "Scott Sellers" <scottsellers@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:U%kah.3692
>> Here's what I do: 1) attach the hose to the racking cane, and
>> fill both with water. 2) Maintain in a 'U' position, so the
>> water doesn't run out. 3) Put the working end of the cane into
>> the beer. Keep thumb over the hose end. 4) Put the hose end
>> into kettle/bucket/carboy. 5) Release thumb.
>>
>> No fuss, no muss.
>>
>
>
> It just seems like too much extra hassle to me.
It looks a lot more comlicated written down than it actually is to do. I
find the above method no harder than sucking on the tubing, and it's
certainly a lot more sanitary.
John.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 15:18:18
From: Bob F
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
|
"John 'Shaggy' Kolesar" <spam@shagg.net > wrote in message
news:slrnempc06.cp3.spam@weizen.shagg.net...
> On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 22:15:46 -0800, <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > "Scott Sellers" <scottsellers@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:U%kah.3692
> >> Here's what I do: 1) attach the hose to the racking cane, and
> >> fill both with water. 2) Maintain in a 'U' position, so the
> >> water doesn't run out. 3) Put the working end of the cane into
> >> the beer. Keep thumb over the hose end. 4) Put the hose end
> >> into kettle/bucket/carboy. 5) Release thumb.
> >>
> >> No fuss, no muss.
> >>
> >
> >
> > It just seems like too much extra hassle to me.
>
> It looks a lot more comlicated written down than it actually is to do. I
> find the above method no harder than sucking on the tubing, and it's
> certainly a lot more sanitary.
>
I believe the extra length of tubing I suck on takes care of that problem.
Bob
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 05:08:20
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
|
On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:18:18 -0800, <bobnospam@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> "John 'Shaggy' Kolesar" <spam@shagg.net> wrote in message
> news:slrnempc06.cp3.spam@weizen.shagg.net...
>> On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 22:15:46 -0800, <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > "Scott Sellers" <scottsellers@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> > news:U%kah.3692
>> >> Here's what I do: 1) attach the hose to the racking cane, and
>> >> fill both with water. 2) Maintain in a 'U' position, so the
>> >> water doesn't run out. 3) Put the working end of the cane into
>> >> the beer. Keep thumb over the hose end. 4) Put the hose end
>> >> into kettle/bucket/carboy. 5) Release thumb.
>> >>
>> >> No fuss, no muss.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > It just seems like too much extra hassle to me.
>>
>> It looks a lot more comlicated written down than it actually is to do. I
>> find the above method no harder than sucking on the tubing, and it's
>> certainly a lot more sanitary.
>>
>
> I believe the extra length of tubing I suck on takes care of that problem.
Yep, that works too. ;)
John.
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 12:53:24
From: John Bleichert
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
|
Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> "Wayne" <rondonjin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ek5mi7$r44$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> The brewing bucket I bought back in the dark ages is a 25 litre job with
> no
>> tap (spigot, whatever) and I also have a 20 litre secondary with a spigot.
>> Now, I'm totally useless at using a siphon and have to resort to sucking
>> on the end to get the beer to run to my keg and then spraying the end with
>> ethyl alcohol hoping it kills any germs I may have transferred. So, my
>> choices are buying another 25 litre bucket with a spigot, which seems like
>> a waste of money, somehow making a hole in the side of my current bucket
>> without messing it up or drilling holes in the bottom of it and jamming it
>> down into the smaller secondary without messing it up. Bear in mind that
>> I'm totally useless at an kind of home handy-work and have to call in an
>> electrician to change a light-bulb!
>>
>> Any suggestions? apart from learning how to siphon :-)
>
> All you need is something to stick in the end of your siphon
> hose to go between you and the siphon. A chunk of smaller
> tubing that fits snuggly inside the siphon, or a larger one that
> fits outside it, or even a straw, or the hard part of a turkey
> baster. Sanitize it, stick it into the siphon, and suck until the
> siphon has enough beer in it. Then hold it at a level that maintains
> a steady beer level, remove the 'sucker' and put the outlet
> wherever you need it.
>
> Bob
>
Disgusting, and still unsanitary. Also unnecessary and not always easy
to do for folks not in the best of pulmonary health.. See my other
post on the flat 7 gallon bucket.
"If something is too hard to do, then it's not worth doing. You just
stick that guitar in the closet next to your shortwave radio, your
karate outfit and your unicycle and we'll go inside and watch TV."
-- Homer Simpson
:-)
-----------------------------------------------
John Bleichert syborg@earthlink.net
The heat from below can burn your eyes out!!
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 10:57:54
From: Bob F
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
|
"John Bleichert" <syborg@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:8dBah.3714$sf5.2722@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > "Wayne" <rondonjin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:ek5mi7$r44$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> >> The brewing bucket I bought back in the dark ages is a 25 litre job
with
> > no
> >> tap (spigot, whatever) and I also have a 20 litre secondary with a
spigot.
> >> Now, I'm totally useless at using a siphon and have to resort to
sucking
> >> on the end to get the beer to run to my keg and then spraying the end
with
> >> ethyl alcohol hoping it kills any germs I may have transferred. So, my
> >> choices are buying another 25 litre bucket with a spigot, which seems
like
> >> a waste of money, somehow making a hole in the side of my current
bucket
> >> without messing it up or drilling holes in the bottom of it and jamming
it
> >> down into the smaller secondary without messing it up. Bear in mind
that
> >> I'm totally useless at an kind of home handy-work and have to call in
an
> >> electrician to change a light-bulb!
> >>
> >> Any suggestions? apart from learning how to siphon :-)
> >
> > All you need is something to stick in the end of your siphon
> > hose to go between you and the siphon. A chunk of smaller
> > tubing that fits snuggly inside the siphon, or a larger one that
> > fits outside it, or even a straw, or the hard part of a turkey
> > baster. Sanitize it, stick it into the siphon, and suck until the
> > siphon has enough beer in it. Then hold it at a level that maintains
> > a steady beer level, remove the 'sucker' and put the outlet
> > wherever you need it.
> >
> > Bob
> >
>
> Disgusting, and still unsanitary. Also unnecessary and not always easy
> to do for folks not in the best of pulmonary health.. See my other
> post on the flat 7 gallon bucket.
Why unsanitary? For that matter, why disgusting? I just don't
see it. It has always worked for me.
Bob
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 19:46:09
From: John Bleichert
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
|
Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> "John Bleichert" <syborg@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:8dBah.3714$sf5.2722@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > "Wayne" <rondonjin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:ek5mi7$r44$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> >> The brewing bucket I bought back in the dark ages is a 25 litre job
> with
>> > no
>> >> tap (spigot, whatever) and I also have a 20 litre secondary with a
> spigot.
>> >> Now, I'm totally useless at using a siphon and have to resort to
> sucking
>> >> on the end to get the beer to run to my keg and then spraying the end
> with
>> >> ethyl alcohol hoping it kills any germs I may have transferred. So, my
>> >> choices are buying another 25 litre bucket with a spigot, which seems
> like
>> >> a waste of money, somehow making a hole in the side of my current
> bucket
>> >> without messing it up or drilling holes in the bottom of it and jamming
> it
>> >> down into the smaller secondary without messing it up. Bear in mind
> that
>> >> I'm totally useless at an kind of home handy-work and have to call in
> an
>> >> electrician to change a light-bulb!
>> >>
>> >> Any suggestions? apart from learning how to siphon :-)
>> >
>> > All you need is something to stick in the end of your siphon
>> > hose to go between you and the siphon. A chunk of smaller
>> > tubing that fits snuggly inside the siphon, or a larger one that
>> > fits outside it, or even a straw, or the hard part of a turkey
>> > baster. Sanitize it, stick it into the siphon, and suck until the
>> > siphon has enough beer in it. Then hold it at a level that maintains
>> > a steady beer level, remove the 'sucker' and put the outlet
>> > wherever you need it.
>> >
>> > Bob
>> >
>>
>> Disgusting, and still unsanitary. Also unnecessary and not always easy
>> to do for folks not in the best of pulmonary health.. See my other
>> post on the flat 7 gallon bucket.
>
> Why unsanitary? For that matter, why disgusting? I just don't
> see it. It has always worked for me.
>
> Bob
>
>
Hey - if it works, it works! No sweat. Sucking on the end of a siphon
to get it going offends my tidy nature, that's all! That's how I did
it til I moved my sanitzier to a bus tub. That's *why* I moved it to
a bus tub.
-----------------------------------------------
John Bleichert syborg@earthlink.net
The heat from below can burn your eyes out!!
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 01:25:45
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
|
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:27:00 +0000, Scott Sellers wrote:
> Here's what I do: 1) attach the hose to the racking cane, and fill both
> with water. 2) Maintain in a 'U' position, so the water doesn't run out.
> 3) Put the working end of the cane into the beer. Keep thumb over the
> hose end. 4) Put the hose end into kettle/bucket/carboy. 5) Release
> thumb.
>
> No fuss, no muss.
Well, that is the 'text book' method for siphoning. It's just
never worked for me. I'll give it another go in a week or so
when my stout is ready but may have to resort to attaching some
kind of 'straw' and suck on that beast!
Cheers
Wayne
--
Registered Linux user #375994
http://www.geocities.jp/rondonko/
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 12:50:17
From: John Bleichert
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
|
Wayne <rondonjin@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:27:00 +0000, Scott Sellers wrote:
>
>> Here's what I do: 1) attach the hose to the racking cane, and fill both
>> with water. 2) Maintain in a 'U' position, so the water doesn't run out.
>> 3) Put the working end of the cane into the beer. Keep thumb over the
>> hose end. 4) Put the hose end into kettle/bucket/carboy. 5) Release
>> thumb.
>>
>> No fuss, no muss.
>
> Well, that is the 'text book' method for siphoning. It's just
> never worked for me. I'll give it another go in a week or so
> when my stout is ready but may have to resort to attaching some
> kind of 'straw' and suck on that beast!
>
> Cheers
>
> Wayne
It's much easier to "set up" your siphon in (say) a flat 7 gallon bus
tub style Rubbermaid storage bin with 4-5 gallons of sanitizer in
it. Put all your parts (canes and tubing) in the solution and assemble
it all under the surface. Works like a charm. Just get all the air
bubbles out. Physics will do most of the work for you just sitting
there.
You can also use/re-use the solution throughout the brewing
process for sanitizing all the other bits and pieces. This is an
excellent use for a no-rinse sanitizer like One-Step.
-----------------------------------------------
John Bleichert syborg@earthlink.net
The heat from below can burn your eyes out!!
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 14:11:23
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
|
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:19:45 +0000, John Bleichert wrote:
>> I wish One-Step were available :-( I've got a small quantity of PBW
>> left-over and a small quantity of Star-San that a friend brought back
>> from Hawaii a couple of years ago. I use that to clean and sanitise my
>> beer dispenser and when it's gone I'm stuck. I can't buy it here and I
>> can't import it either. I will be forced to use domestic bleach and
>> ethyl alcohol. No way am I using bleach on the plastic tubing on my
>> dispenser! The cleaning instructions for my dispenser call for rinsing
>> the pipes through with COLD water! Can't imagine that will do any good!
>> No wonder beer tastes off in some establishments!
>>
>>
> Rats! No, I wouldn't use bleach on plastic either. I only use bleach (and
> very very little) on my glass carboys.
I was lurking here for a while before making my first post, as good
netiquette suggests, going green with envy that you all can walk in
to a homebrew store and pick up whatever you want. I think I'm just
going to sit in the corner and sulk for a while :-)
I have a couple of friends here that homebrew, I'm going to pick
their brains as to what they do, possibly they get stuff sent to
them. Without credit cards it's a major pain to get anything
though unless you know someone who can ship you stuff.
Cheers
Wayne
--
Registered Linux user #375994
http://www.geocities.jp/rondonko/
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 09:40:33
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
|
Wayne wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:19:45 +0000, John Bleichert wrote:
>
>
>>>I wish One-Step were available :-( I've got a small quantity of PBW
>>>left-over and a small quantity of Star-San that a friend brought back
>>>from Hawaii a couple of years ago. I use that to clean and sanitise my
>>>beer dispenser and when it's gone I'm stuck. I can't buy it here and I
>>>can't import it either. I will be forced to use domestic bleach and
>>>ethyl alcohol. No way am I using bleach on the plastic tubing on my
>>>dispenser! The cleaning instructions for my dispenser call for rinsing
>>>the pipes through with COLD water! Can't imagine that will do any good!
>>>No wonder beer tastes off in some establishments!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Rats! No, I wouldn't use bleach on plastic either. I only use bleach (and
>>very very little) on my glass carboys.
>
>
> I was lurking here for a while before making my first post, as good
> netiquette suggests, going green with envy that you all can walk in
> to a homebrew store and pick up whatever you want. I think I'm just
> going to sit in the corner and sulk for a while :-)
For me, my LBHS is more expensive than mail order. I go there when I
need small amounts of grains or a quick fix piece. They also have alot
of great knowledge though, and can be very helpful with recommendations
and such.
> I have a couple of friends here that homebrew, I'm going to pick
> their brains as to what they do, possibly they get stuff sent to
> them. Without credit cards it's a major pain to get anything
> though unless you know someone who can ship you stuff.
See if you friends can loan you some equipment to start.. if you don't
totally get into it, you just give back the gear. I have enough stuff
to loan to one of my friends. He only needs to get his own kettle and
minor pieces.
--
Dan
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 13:13:16
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
|
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:50:17 +0000, John Bleichert wrote:
> It's much easier to "set up" your siphon in (say) a flat 7 gallon bus tub
> style Rubbermaid storage bin with 4-5 gallons of sanitizer in it. Put all
> your parts (canes and tubing) in the solution and assemble it all under
> the surface. Works like a charm. Just get all the air bubbles out. Physics
> will do most of the work for you just sitting there.
>
> You can also use/re-use the solution throughout the brewing process for
> sanitizing all the other bits and pieces. This is an excellent use for a
> no-rinse sanitizer like One-Step.
I wish One-Step were available :-( I've got a small quantity of PBW
left-over and a small quantity of Star-San that a friend brought
back from Hawaii a couple of years ago. I use that to clean and
sanitise my beer dispenser and when it's gone I'm stuck. I can't
buy it here and I can't import it either. I will be forced to use
domestic bleach and ethyl alcohol. No way am I using bleach on
the plastic tubing on my dispenser! The cleaning instructions for
my dispenser call for rinsing the pipes through with COLD water!
Can't imagine that will do any good! No wonder beer tastes off
in some establishments!
I'd move to a more civilised country but haven't found one yet
:-)
Wayne
--
Registered Linux user #375994
http://www.geocities.jp/rondonko/
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Date: 27 Nov 2006 13:19:45
From: John Bleichert
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
|
Wayne <rondonjin@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:50:17 +0000, John Bleichert wrote:
>
>> It's much easier to "set up" your siphon in (say) a flat 7 gallon bus tub
>> style Rubbermaid storage bin with 4-5 gallons of sanitizer in it. Put all
>> your parts (canes and tubing) in the solution and assemble it all under
>> the surface. Works like a charm. Just get all the air bubbles out. Physics
>> will do most of the work for you just sitting there.
>>
>> You can also use/re-use the solution throughout the brewing process for
>> sanitizing all the other bits and pieces. This is an excellent use for a
>> no-rinse sanitizer like One-Step.
>
> I wish One-Step were available :-( I've got a small quantity of PBW
> left-over and a small quantity of Star-San that a friend brought
> back from Hawaii a couple of years ago. I use that to clean and
> sanitise my beer dispenser and when it's gone I'm stuck. I can't
> buy it here and I can't import it either. I will be forced to use
> domestic bleach and ethyl alcohol. No way am I using bleach on
> the plastic tubing on my dispenser! The cleaning instructions for
> my dispenser call for rinsing the pipes through with COLD water!
> Can't imagine that will do any good! No wonder beer tastes off
> in some establishments!
>
Rats! No, I wouldn't use bleach on plastic either. I only use bleach
(and very very little) on my glass carboys.
> I'd move to a more civilised country but haven't found one yet
> :-)
>
> Wayne
Yep - let us know if you find one!
-----------------------------------------------
John Bleichert syborg@earthlink.net
The heat from below can burn your eyes out!!
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 00:43:48
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
|
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:40:33 -0500, Dan Logcher wrote:
>> I have a couple of friends here that homebrew, I'm going to pick their
>> brains as to what they do, possibly they get stuff sent to them. Without
>> credit cards it's a major pain to get anything though unless you know
>> someone who can ship you stuff.
>
> See if you friends can loan you some equipment to start.. if you don't
> totally get into it, you just give back the gear. I have enough stuff to
> loan to one of my friends. He only needs to get his own kettle and minor
> pieces.
Equipment basically I'm OK for kit or extract brew, although I could do
with a larger pot when I start to use extract but can't afford it right now
(The biggest I have is an 8 litre stock pot bought by mistake) Not the
best time of year to be buying kit. I've got most of the basic stuff
including a bottle capper for the one or two bottles I may give to friends
but I prefer to use a keg. Actually, I wouldn't mind one more of those!
Occasionally I treat myself to a bottle of Young's Old Nick or Special
London Ale. The bottles are great for recycling :-)
What I'm lacking are things like LME and hops. Not a great selection
locally, I can get some grains and plenty of kits but little in the
way of canned malt extract. I eventually want to move up from kits to
extract with speciality grains but may have to order LME from abroad,
unless the situation here changes.
25 litre plastic bucket with drilled lid
20 litre plastic bucket with spigot (not used, too small)
Hydrometer
Thermometer
Racking cane and siphon tube
Bottle capper and caps
Hambleton Bard keg
2 air-locks
Domestic kitchen-ware for boiling water, measuring, etc
Camra Guide to Homebrewing by Graham Wheeler (out of print?)
Anything missing?
I've also got some various gauge tubing and taps and a copper coil
we used as a makeshift beer dispenser by attaching tubing and a
tap and submersing it in a picnic bag filled with ice. Worked
quite well for a home party and everyone loved it but later I got
a two-tap beer dispenser on Yahoo auctions really cheaply (piccie
on my homepage below)
Cheers
Wayne
--
Registered Linux user #375994
http://www.geocities.jp/rondonko/
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 21:34:54
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
|
On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 02:48:39 +0000 (UTC), <rondonjin@yahoo.com > wrote:
> The brewing bucket I bought back in the dark ages is a 25 litre job with no
> tap (spigot, whatever) and I also have a 20 litre secondary with a spigot.
> Now, I'm totally useless at using a siphon and have to resort to sucking
> on the end to get the beer to run to my keg and then spraying the end with
> ethyl alcohol hoping it kills any germs I may have transferred. So, my
> choices are buying another 25 litre bucket with a spigot, which seems like
> a waste of money, somehow making a hole in the side of my current bucket
> without messing it up or drilling holes in the bottom of it and jamming it
> down into the smaller secondary without messing it up. Bear in mind that
> I'm totally useless at an kind of home handy-work and have to call in an
> electrician to change a light-bulb!
>
> Any suggestions? apart from learning how to siphon :-)
I've used a hole saw to add a spigot to a plastic bucket that didn't
originally come with one before. The hardest part was finding the right
hole saw at the hardware store (it's basically a drill bit).
Other than that, just learn to siphon. It's really not that difficult
once you figure it out. Do you know of any other brewers in your area
that could show you? Siphoning for some reason always sounds really
complicated when you see it explained in text, however someone could
probably show it to you in 30 seconds and you'd say "Oh, that's easy!".
John.
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Date: 28 Nov 2006 15:46:55
From: notbob
Subject: Re: Siphon versus spigot
|
On 2006-11-28, John 'Shaggy' Kolesar <spam@shagg.net > wrote:
> originally come with one before. The hardest part was finding the right
> hole saw at the hardware store (it's basically a drill bit).
Get a step drill. Easiest way to cut holes up to 1-1/4" without
a drill press or killing yourself, especially in metal:
http://www.hechinger.com/hardware/online/62588-Step-Drill.html
They're pretty common, now. Look at Home Depot or Ace Hardware.
nb
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