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Date: 27 Oct 2006 14:08:20
From: Sheheryar
Subject: Secondarying and dispensing in a keg?
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Hi
I was wondering if it gets really messy if one secondaries and
dispenses from the same keg. Do other folks do this? Is there a lot
of gunk that needs to be dispensed off prior to clean pours?
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 17:27:26
From: Mike
Subject: Re: Secondarying and dispensing in a keg?
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Sheheryar wrote:
> Hi
> I was wondering if it gets really messy if one secondaries and
> dispenses from the same keg. Do other folks do this? Is there a lot
> of gunk that needs to be dispensed off prior to clean pours?
Depending on the type of beer, there can be a cup or more of sediment
after 1-2 weeks in secondary. Therefore, if you want to do a secondary
in the keg that you are dispensing from, the dip tube must be shortened
to avoid pulling the sediment from the bottom of the keg.
Alternatively, you can transfer the beer from one keg to another
through a filter. I bought a plate filter from Morebeer that works
pretty well for this setup.
Mike K
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 15:54:26
From: Bob F
Subject: Re: Secondarying and dispensing in a keg?
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"Mike" <mikek_brewer@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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> Sheheryar wrote:
> > Hi
> > I was wondering if it gets really messy if one secondaries and
> > dispenses from the same keg. Do other folks do this? Is there a lot
> > of gunk that needs to be dispensed off prior to clean pours?
>
> Depending on the type of beer, there can be a cup or more of sediment
> after 1-2 weeks in secondary. Therefore, if you want to do a secondary
> in the keg that you are dispensing from, the dip tube must be shortened
> to avoid pulling the sediment from the bottom of the keg.
Couldn't you just accept a little crud in the first glass? Would it
be a problem after that?
Bob
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 19:23:16
From: Ed Edelenbos
Subject: Re: Secondarying and dispensing in a keg?
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"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com > wrote in message
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> "Mike" <mikek_brewer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Sheheryar wrote:
>> > Hi
>> > I was wondering if it gets really messy if one secondaries and
>> > dispenses from the same keg. Do other folks do this? Is there a lot
>> > of gunk that needs to be dispensed off prior to clean pours?
>>
>> Depending on the type of beer, there can be a cup or more of sediment
>> after 1-2 weeks in secondary. Therefore, if you want to do a secondary
>> in the keg that you are dispensing from, the dip tube must be shortened
>> to avoid pulling the sediment from the bottom of the keg.
>
> Couldn't you just accept a little crud in the first glass? Would it
> be a problem after that?
>
> Bob
Typically, I flush my lines with clean hot water between kegs. I need to
chuck out the first pint (or so) anyway. Typically (except for wheats) I
have pretty clear beer after that. I secondary for at least a week in a
carboy though.
Ed
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 20:32:23
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Secondarying and dispensing in a keg?
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On Sat, 28 2006 15:54:26 -0700, <bobnospam@gmail.com > wrote:
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> "Mike" <mikek_brewer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1161995245.980236.34610@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
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>> Sheheryar wrote:
>> > Hi
>> > I was wondering if it gets really messy if one secondaries and
>> > dispenses from the same keg. Do other folks do this? Is there a lot
>> > of gunk that needs to be dispensed off prior to clean pours?
>>
>> Depending on the type of beer, there can be a cup or more of sediment
>> after 1-2 weeks in secondary. Therefore, if you want to do a secondary
>> in the keg that you are dispensing from, the dip tube must be shortened
>> to avoid pulling the sediment from the bottom of the keg.
>
> Couldn't you just accept a little crud in the first glass? Would it
> be a problem after that?
That's the way I would do it. I certainly wouldn't cut the dip tube. That
would mean that any beer you ever serve from that keg is going to leave
some behind that you can't drink. Gasp!
John.
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 20:30:54
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Secondarying and dispensing in a keg?
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On 27 2006 14:08:20 -0700, <sheheryarhasnain@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Hi
> I was wondering if it gets really messy if one secondaries and
> dispenses from the same keg. Do other folks do this? Is there a lot
> of gunk that needs to be dispensed off prior to clean pours?
I don't do it that way, but I've heard of people who do. I think the worst
you can expect is that the first couple pints will be really cloudy. After
that it should pour fine.
John.
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 14:51:48
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: Secondarying and dispensing in a keg?
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> On 27 2006 14:08:20 -0700, <sheheryarhasnain@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi
>> I was wondering if it gets really messy if one secondaries and
>> dispenses from the same keg. Do other folks do this? Is there a lot
>> of gunk that needs to be dispensed off prior to clean pours?
>
> I don't do it that way, but I've heard of people who do. I think the worst
> you can expect is that the first couple pints will be really cloudy. After
> that it should pour fine.
You can generally dispense with the secondary altogether, and not even
get cloudy first pints. The idea is to let the ferment finish in the
primary, then crash-cool (close to 32F) prior to (carefully) racking
into the keg. The beer should be left cold in the primary 2 - n days
(I've gone up to 8-9 days when I've had other things to do and couldn't
get around to racking) to really let the yeast settle out and pack onto
the bottom of the primary. Of course, you'll want to be sure your
ferment is complete prior to doing this. When you rack, you'll want to
take no sediment into the keg.
I do this routinely, and even my lightest beers are extremely bright
from the first pint on. I have a Helles on tap done this way that (after
lagering) looks about as bright as a 3 micron filtration could provide
-- which is pretty bright.
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 00:47:36
From: Gwidman
Subject: Re: Secondarying and dispensing in a keg?
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>>> Hi
>>> I was wondering if it gets really messy if one secondaries and
>>> dispenses from the same keg. Do other folks do this? Is there a lot
>>> of gunk that needs to be dispensed off prior to clean pours?
>>
>> I don't do it that way, but I've heard of people who do. I think the
>> worst
>> you can expect is that the first couple pints will be really cloudy.
>> After
>> that it should pour fine.
>
> You can generally dispense with the secondary altogether, and not even get
> cloudy first pints. The idea is to let the ferment finish in the primary,
> then crash-cool (close to 32F) prior to (carefully) racking into the keg.
> The beer should be left cold in the primary 2 - n days (I've gone up to
> 8-9 days when I've had other things to do and couldn't get around to
> racking) to really let the yeast settle out and pack onto the bottom of
> the primary. Of course, you'll want to be sure your ferment is complete
> prior to doing this. When you rack, you'll want to take no sediment into
> the keg.
>
> I do this routinely, and even my lightest beers are extremely bright from
> the first pint on. I have a Helles on tap done this way that (after
> lagering) looks about as bright as a 3 micron filtration could provide --
> which is pretty bright.
I've been doing all my beers this way for the last 6 months, and it has
worked out really well. Let the beer finish in primary and give it time to
fall clear. I don't worry about the crash cooling before transfer. After a
few weeks in the cooler less than a cup of trub will come out the spout.
The nice thing is, it's on tap and you can taste it periodically and judge
its "doneness" right up until it's consumed. Basically, it's treating ales
like lagers after primary, and just aging them until they taste good. There
are some heavy beers that would probably benefit from a long warmer
secondary, but I don't brew any of those.
I'm assuming you have a freezer with a temp controller and CO2 to carbonate
the kegs. I've not found any difference in the aging process between force
carbonated and non carbonated, but others in this group would know more than
me about this.
Good luck and happy brewing.
gw
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 16:40:26
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Secondarying and dispensing in a keg?
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On Tue, 31 2006 00:47:36 -0500, <gwidman@bellsouth.net > wrote:
> I'm assuming you have a freezer with a temp controller and CO2 to carbonate
> the kegs. I've not found any difference in the aging process between force
> carbonated and non carbonated, but others in this group would know more than
> me about this.
The main reason to carbonate the beer for aging is that the internal
pressure is what seals the lid on a corny keg. Other than that, it
shouldn't make any real difference to how the keg ages.
John.
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 21:14:37
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Secondarying and dispensing in a keg?
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> On Tue, 31 2006 00:47:36 -0500, <gwidman@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>I'm assuming you have a freezer with a temp controller and CO2 to carbonate
>>the kegs. I've not found any difference in the aging process between force
>>carbonated and non carbonated, but others in this group would know more than
>>me about this.
>
>
> The main reason to carbonate the beer for aging is that the internal
> pressure is what seals the lid on a corny keg. Other than that, it
> shouldn't make any real difference to how the keg ages.
I thought carbonating long term caused carbonic acid, which is part of
the aging process. I've got a keg sitting in the basement at 64F and 15PSI.
Is it not helping the conditioning to keep it on CO2?
--
Dan
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Date: 01 Nov 2006 21:07:21
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Secondarying and dispensing in a keg?
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On Tue, 31 2006 21:14:37 -0500, <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net > wrote:
> I thought carbonating long term caused carbonic acid, which is part of
> the aging process. I've got a keg sitting in the basement at 64F and 15PSI.
> Is it not helping the conditioning to keep it on CO2?
Carbonic acid is formed as part of the normal carbonation procedure, and
IIRC occurs fairly quickly. It doesn't have anything to do with the
aging process, at least not how most people define "aging".
John.
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