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Date: 18 Nov 2006 20:05:22
From: Tony M
Subject: Second batch concerns
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Hi all, I just brewed my second batch (ever) and I have a question about hop
additions. My kit called for 3 hop additiond in the boil but I only had
enough of the muslin bag for the first two. The last addition I just threw
the hop pellets into the pot thinking it would only be a little and would
settle out before transfer into primary. Anyway, these things basically
liquified in the brewpot and would not settle before transfer. The wort had
a strong hop smell, kinda like smelling the hop bag after opening it. The
recipe also calls for dry hopping in secondary. Will having these liquified
hops and the dry hopping in the beer give me an overpowering hop flavor in
the finished beer?
Here is the recipe:
8 lb Ultralight LME
4 oz Maltodextrin
1 lb Crystal 40L
4 oz Chocolate
1 oz Northern Brewer (60 min)
.5 oz Northern Brewer (15 min)
1 oz Cascade (10 min)
1 Whirfloc tab (20 min)
1 oz Cascade (secondary)
It was supposed to be a 5 gallon batch but after I pitched the yeast ,
sealed and airlocked it I noticed the wort level was about 5/8 to an inch
below the 5 gallon mark on my bucket.
OG was 1.065
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Date: 19 Nov 2006 07:33:28
From: John Krehbiel
Subject: Re: Second batch concerns
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I never use a hop bag. When I siphon cooled wort from the boil kettle,
I try to leave as much hop and other crud behind as possible, but I
don't worry about it much. It settles to the bottom of the fermenter,
and is either covered by a thick layer of yeast and causes no problems,
or is left behind if you secondary and causes no problems.
Either way, it causes no problems. Wish everything would be like that
;-)
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Date: 19 Nov 2006 08:43:52
From: David M. Taylor
Subject: Re: Second batch concerns
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"Tony M" <fakeemail@null.com > wrote in message
news:Ec6dnW5jJOecRcLYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com...
> Hi all, I just brewed my second batch (ever) and I have a question about
> hop additions. My kit called for 3 hop additiond in the boil but I only
> had enough of the muslin bag for the first two. The last addition I just
> threw the hop pellets into the pot thinking it would only be a little and
> would settle out before transfer into primary. Anyway, these things
> basically liquified in the brewpot and would not settle before transfer.
> The wort had a strong hop smell, kinda like smelling the hop bag after
> opening it. The recipe also calls for dry hopping in secondary. Will
> having these liquified hops and the dry hopping in the beer give me an
> overpowering hop flavor in the finished beer?
> Here is the recipe:
> 8 lb Ultralight LME
> 4 oz Maltodextrin
> 1 lb Crystal 40L
> 4 oz Chocolate
> 1 oz Northern Brewer (60 min)
> .5 oz Northern Brewer (15 min)
> 1 oz Cascade (10 min)
> 1 Whirfloc tab (20 min)
> 1 oz Cascade (secondary)
> It was supposed to be a 5 gallon batch but after I pitched the yeast ,
> sealed and airlocked it I noticed the wort level was about 5/8 to an inch
> below the 5 gallon mark on my bucket.
> OG was 1.065
This brew is going to have lots of hop character. I wouldn't say
"overpowering", but it will definitely be very obvious. It looks like a
strong red ale of some sort, and really does not fit into any specific
category. Sounds yummy though.
What you could have done for the hops is use the same muslin bag for all the
hop additions. Keep the bag open, just hanging over the side of the brew
kettle. That's what I do. Clip it on to the side of the kettle with a
clothespin if you like (but it's probably not necessary). Then you can
easily open the bag and add more hops as needed.
That being said, I don't think there's anything wrong with throwing in the
last addition of hops without using the bag. The hops will settle out
during fermentation, so when it's time to rack to secondary or bottle, you
can leave most of them behind. For the dry hops, I would recommend using a
muslin bag though, otherwise chunks could end up in your bottles if they
don't all settle out in time.
Welcome to this wonderful, addictive hobby.
--
Dave
"Fill your cup with whatever bitter brew you're drinking." -- Brad Paisley
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Date: 19 Nov 2006 04:55:19
From: PlanetMan
Subject: Re: Second batch concerns
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No big deal. I have had the same concerns before. Hop particles in
the primary etc. They will settle out in your primary just fine. From
what I understand, after being boiled these hops are somewhat inactive.
Someone will probably correct me on this however. I have had massive
amounts of hops and trub in my primary before and it still made great
beer. When I rack to secondary I leave it behind. I think you might
want to rack to secondary ASAP under these conditions. Some kits come
with hop bags and some don't. I'm not sure how useful the bags are
with pellet hops. That last hop addition and the dry hopping will
impart hop aroma. Overpowering is somewhat subjective, personally I
like the hops to come out and smack me across the face. You should
stick to the recipe, it looks tasty. You can always monkey with it
next time.
I don't know what to tell you about the inch below the 5 gal. mark. I
would probably leave as is. But then again you could probably add some
water to it.
I hope that helps some anyway.
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Date: 20 Nov 2006 08:04:57
From: John Krehbiel
Subject: Re: Second batch concerns
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Dan Logcher wrote:
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> I siphon thru a sieve. I never thought of rinsing the hop mess. Anyone see
> any problem with doing this?
>
> --
> Dan
Long as it's cooled so you don't risk the infamous HSA :-)
(lifts anti-flame talisman to Monitor Screen)
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Date: 20 Nov 2006 05:56:22
From: alebrewer
Subject: Re: Second batch concerns
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Dan Logcher wrote:
> Joe Sallustio wrote:
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> > Brew Man wrote:
> >
> >>Same here. I never use a hop bag for my hop pellets and the brew comes
> >>out just fine. In fact, I think that by using a hop bag for pellets
> >>you are not getting the full effect of the hops that are contemplated
> >>in the recipe. The dissolved hops will settle out during the cooling
> >>of the wort and what remains will settle out in the primary. I do use
> >>a hop bag when dry hopping in my secondary.
> >
> >
> > We don't use hop bags either but what we do is use a funnel with a fine
> > strainer to transfer the wort. We just rinse the 'muck' with our cold
> > water to get as much out of the wort as possible, it's slow work but we
> > seems to work for us.
>
> I siphon thru a sieve. I never thought of rinsing the hop mess. Anyone see
> any problem with doing this?
>
> --
> Dan
I used a variation of the using a strainer and rinsing the hop and
break on my initial batches (over 10 years ago). You run the risk of
contamination (not to mention the amount of time it takes and the mess
it creates) for very little benifit. I wouldn't recommend it. There
isn't that much to be gained as the "muck" isn't really holding any
sugars (it isn't like the mashed grain).
Then, I used a process where I'd siphon the wort from the kettle to a
carboy and let that sit for a day, then rack from that into my primary
(with very little carryover from the second racking). But, that's a
lot of trouble (particulary if the yeast is very active), again for
very little benifit.
Really, just siphon the wort off the top, leaving as much of the hops
behing as you can, and forget about it. Any hops brought over into the
primary will fall to the bottom and get covered with yeast pretty
quickly. They really don't hurt anything.
ab
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Date: 20 Nov 2006 05:09:38
From: Joe Sallustio
Subject: Re: Second batch concerns
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Brew Man wrote:
> Same here. I never use a hop bag for my hop pellets and the brew comes
> out just fine. In fact, I think that by using a hop bag for pellets
> you are not getting the full effect of the hops that are contemplated
> in the recipe. The dissolved hops will settle out during the cooling
> of the wort and what remains will settle out in the primary. I do use
> a hop bag when dry hopping in my secondary.
We don't use hop bags either but what we do is use a funnel with a fine
strainer to transfer the wort. We just rinse the 'muck' with our cold
water to get as much out of the wort as possible, it's slow work but we
seems to work for us.
Joe
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Date: 20 Nov 2006 08:42:43
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Second batch concerns
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Joe Sallustio wrote:
> Brew Man wrote:
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>>Same here. I never use a hop bag for my hop pellets and the brew comes
>>out just fine. In fact, I think that by using a hop bag for pellets
>>you are not getting the full effect of the hops that are contemplated
>>in the recipe. The dissolved hops will settle out during the cooling
>>of the wort and what remains will settle out in the primary. I do use
>>a hop bag when dry hopping in my secondary.
>
>
> We don't use hop bags either but what we do is use a funnel with a fine
> strainer to transfer the wort. We just rinse the 'muck' with our cold
> water to get as much out of the wort as possible, it's slow work but we
> seems to work for us.
I siphon thru a sieve. I never thought of rinsing the hop mess. Anyone see
any problem with doing this?
--
Dan
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Date: 21 Nov 2006 19:44:54
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Second batch concerns
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 08:42:43 -0500, <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net > wrote:
> I siphon thru a sieve. I never thought of rinsing the hop mess. Anyone see
> any problem with doing this?
I don't see a problem, but I'm not sure what the benefit would be.
John.
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Date: 20 Nov 2006 03:57:21
From: Brew Man
Subject: Re: Second batch concerns
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Same here. I never use a hop bag for my hop pellets and the brew comes
out just fine. In fact, I think that by using a hop bag for pellets
you are not getting the full effect of the hops that are contemplated
in the recipe. The dissolved hops will settle out during the cooling
of the wort and what remains will settle out in the primary. I do use
a hop bag when dry hopping in my secondary.
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Date: 21 Nov 2006 19:36:50
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Second batch concerns
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:05:22 -0800, <fakeemail@null.com > wrote:
> Hi all, I just brewed my second batch (ever) and I have a question about hop
> additions. My kit called for 3 hop additiond in the boil but I only had
> enough of the muslin bag for the first two. The last addition I just threw
> the hop pellets into the pot thinking it would only be a little and would
> settle out before transfer into primary. Anyway, these things basically
> liquified in the brewpot and would not settle before transfer. The wort had
> a strong hop smell, kinda like smelling the hop bag after opening it. The
> recipe also calls for dry hopping in secondary. Will having these liquified
> hops and the dry hopping in the beer give me an overpowering hop flavor in
> the finished beer?
Pellets do tend to turn into sludge, but it shouldn't hurt anything. By
the time the beer is done fermenting and has some time to clear, the sludge
should mostly settle to the bottom of the fermenter. Just be careful when
you rack and you should be able to leave it behind.
Personally, I'm not a big fan of pellets and prefer to use whole or plug
hops instead. I find them much easier to deal with.
John.
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 06:45:41
From: Scotty B
Subject: Re: Second batch concerns
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2cents: Here's how I do it. I use my racking cane and let my wort flow
through a strainer (sanitized) into a funnel with another strainer
(sanitized) and when it starts plugging up (pellet hops) I scrape it
with a plastic spoon (again, sanitized). However, it sounds a heckuva
lot easier just to transfer the whole thing to the carboy and let it
settle.
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