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Date: 17 Oct 2006 15:17:22
From: Sheheryar
Subject: Sanyo 4912/CO2 tank freezing risk?
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Hi
I noticed that if I fit two cornies and a CO2 tank in the 4912, the CO2
tank will touch the back of the fridge which is frosty. I worry that
the tank may get partially frozen. Is that a problem. Do other folks
with this fridge and setup have any issues?
On the other hand there is a drain hole in the fridge, is it better to
do a line in to the CO2 tank from outside the fridge? Any advice and
link to photos of setups would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Date: 18 Oct 2006 08:23:00
From: bhath
Subject: Re: Sanyo 4912/CO2 tank freezing risk?
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You won't have a problem with the CO2 freezing. The freezing point of
liquid CO2 at ~800 psi is about -58*F (-50*C). The coils on the 4912
get below freezing, but they won't get *THAT* cold.
I ran my gas line by making a hole in the upper right hand corner of my
4912. I ran the gas lines through a grommet I put in the outer wall of
the fridge and out to the gas tank (I have a big ass 20# tank that I
inherited, so it has to be stored outside). You can also run the gas
line through the drain hole in the bottom of the fridge.
Here are a couple of websites showing different methods of running your
gas line(s).
gas line out bottom: http://tinyurl.com/yl46jd
which is short for:
http://www.laughingass.com/photos/Build%20Your%20Own%20Kegerator/slides/Prepping%20the%20Patient.html
gas lines through back: http://tinyurl.com/yhqpqy
which is short for: http://photos.yahoo.com/robertsperry
Hope this helps and good luck.
enjoy,
brian
Sheheryar wrote:
> Hi
> I noticed that if I fit two cornies and a CO2 tank in the 4912, the CO2
> tank will touch the back of the fridge which is frosty. I worry that
> the tank may get partially frozen. Is that a problem. Do other folks
> with this fridge and setup have any issues?
> On the other hand there is a drain hole in the fridge, is it better to
> do a line in to the CO2 tank from outside the fridge? Any advice and
> link to photos of setups would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 22:47:45
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Sanyo 4912/CO2 tank freezing risk?
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Sheheryar wrote:
> Hi
> I noticed that if I fit two cornies and a CO2 tank in the 4912, the CO2
> tank will touch the back of the fridge which is frosty. I worry that
> the tank may get partially frozen. Is that a problem. Do other folks
> with this fridge and setup have any issues?
> On the other hand there is a drain hole in the fridge, is it better to
> do a line in to the CO2 tank from outside the fridge? Any advice and
> link to photos of setups would be appreciated. Thanks.
I built a kegerator from a Sanyo 4912M. I removed the front door panel and
replaced it with plexi-glass to make more room for two kegs and a 5# tanks.
I have no problems getting everything to fit without touching the cold plate
on the back.
I have seen others who mounted the tank on the soda dispenser part of the
door. You could try to position the tank so it doesn't touch the plate..
but at any rate, I wouldn't worry too much as it won't freeze the CO2.
--
Dan
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Date: 18 Oct 2006 21:00:20
From: bhath
Subject: Re: Sanyo 4912/CO2 tank freezing risk?
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I think you can fit a gas hose through the drain hole.
Check out the first link I gave, he ran his gas line through the drain
hole.
enjoy,
brian
Sheheryar wrote:
> Is the drain hole in the fridge too small to fit an appropriate hose
> through? I would hate to drill into this fridge.
>
> Spitzbuben wrote:
> > Co2 inside the fridge? I as well just drilled a hole on the (looking
> > at the back from the back of the fridge) bottom left corner. T
> > h heat from the compressor isn't enough to do damage to the hose.
> >
> > Also by keeping the shelves I can fit about a 6er in there, spread out.
> > I also have 18 vials of White labs on the bottom self in the door in a
> > box. I cut with holes in it so that they can all stand up.
> >
> >
> >
> > bhath wrote:
> > > You won't have a problem with the CO2 freezing. The freezing point of
> > > liquid CO2 at ~800 psi is about -58*F (-50*C). The coils on the 4912
> > > get below freezing, but they won't get *THAT* cold.
> > >
> > > I ran my gas line by making a hole in the upper right hand corner of my
> > > 4912. I ran the gas lines through a grommet I put in the outer wall of
> > > the fridge and out to the gas tank (I have a big ass 20# tank that I
> > > inherited, so it has to be stored outside). You can also run the gas
> > > line through the drain hole in the bottom of the fridge.
> > >
> > > Here are a couple of websites showing different methods of running your
> > > gas line(s).
> > >
> > > gas line out bottom: http://tinyurl.com/yl46jd
> > > which is short for:
> > > http://www.laughingass.com/photos/Build%20Your%20Own%20Kegerator/slides/Prepping%20the%20Patient.html
> > >
> > > gas lines through back: http://tinyurl.com/yhqpqy
> > > which is short for: http://photos.yahoo.com/robertsperry
> > >
> > > Hope this helps and good luck.
> > >
> > > enjoy,
> > >
> > > brian
> > >
> > >
> > > Sheheryar wrote:
> > > > Hi
> > > > I noticed that if I fit two cornies and a CO2 tank in the 4912, the CO2
> > > > tank will touch the back of the fridge which is frosty. I worry that
> > > > the tank may get partially frozen. Is that a problem. Do other folks
> > > > with this fridge and setup have any issues?
> > > > On the other hand there is a drain hole in the fridge, is it better to
> > > > do a line in to the CO2 tank from outside the fridge? Any advice and
> > > > link to photos of setups would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Date: 19 Oct 2006 00:05:42
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Sanyo 4912/CO2 tank freezing risk?
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bhath wrote:
> I think you can fit a gas hose through the drain hole.
> Check out the first link I gave, he ran his gas line through the drain
> hole.
But why would you? If the cold plate develops frost that melts, it may
not probably drain.
I built my Sanyo with the idea of having the tank inside since I didn't know
if it would be upstairs in plane view where the kids could muck with the
tank. Now that it resides in my basement, I consider drilling a hole in the
back and running a line from the 20# tank. I think I would drill a single
hole high in the upper corner and afix some 1/4" flared fittings for easy
disconnection.
--
Dan
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Date: 18 Oct 2006 14:14:47
From: Sheheryar
Subject: Re: Sanyo 4912/CO2 tank freezing risk?
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Is the drain hole in the fridge too small to fit an appropriate hose
through? I would hate to drill into this fridge.
Spitzbuben wrote:
> Co2 inside the fridge? I as well just drilled a hole on the (looking
> at the back from the back of the fridge) bottom left corner. T
> h heat from the compressor isn't enough to do damage to the hose.
>
> Also by keeping the shelves I can fit about a 6er in there, spread out.
> I also have 18 vials of White labs on the bottom self in the door in a
> box. I cut with holes in it so that they can all stand up.
>
>
>
> bhath wrote:
> > You won't have a problem with the CO2 freezing. The freezing point of
> > liquid CO2 at ~800 psi is about -58*F (-50*C). The coils on the 4912
> > get below freezing, but they won't get *THAT* cold.
> >
> > I ran my gas line by making a hole in the upper right hand corner of my
> > 4912. I ran the gas lines through a grommet I put in the outer wall of
> > the fridge and out to the gas tank (I have a big ass 20# tank that I
> > inherited, so it has to be stored outside). You can also run the gas
> > line through the drain hole in the bottom of the fridge.
> >
> > Here are a couple of websites showing different methods of running your
> > gas line(s).
> >
> > gas line out bottom: http://tinyurl.com/yl46jd
> > which is short for:
> > http://www.laughingass.com/photos/Build%20Your%20Own%20Kegerator/slides/Prepping%20the%20Patient.html
> >
> > gas lines through back: http://tinyurl.com/yhqpqy
> > which is short for: http://photos.yahoo.com/robertsperry
> >
> > Hope this helps and good luck.
> >
> > enjoy,
> >
> > brian
> >
> >
> > Sheheryar wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > I noticed that if I fit two cornies and a CO2 tank in the 4912, the CO2
> > > tank will touch the back of the fridge which is frosty. I worry that
> > > the tank may get partially frozen. Is that a problem. Do other folks
> > > with this fridge and setup have any issues?
> > > On the other hand there is a drain hole in the fridge, is it better to
> > > do a line in to the CO2 tank from outside the fridge? Any advice and
> > > link to photos of setups would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Date: 18 Oct 2006 12:36:03
From: Spitzbuben
Subject: Re: Sanyo 4912/CO2 tank freezing risk?
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Co2 inside the fridge? I as well just drilled a hole on the (looking
at the back from the back of the fridge) bottom left corner. T
h heat from the compressor isn't enough to do damage to the hose.
Also by keeping the shelves I can fit about a 6er in there, spread out.
I also have 18 vials of White labs on the bottom self in the door in a
box. I cut with holes in it so that they can all stand up.
bhath wrote:
> You won't have a problem with the CO2 freezing. The freezing point of
> liquid CO2 at ~800 psi is about -58*F (-50*C). The coils on the 4912
> get below freezing, but they won't get *THAT* cold.
>
> I ran my gas line by making a hole in the upper right hand corner of my
> 4912. I ran the gas lines through a grommet I put in the outer wall of
> the fridge and out to the gas tank (I have a big ass 20# tank that I
> inherited, so it has to be stored outside). You can also run the gas
> line through the drain hole in the bottom of the fridge.
>
> Here are a couple of websites showing different methods of running your
> gas line(s).
>
> gas line out bottom: http://tinyurl.com/yl46jd
> which is short for:
> http://www.laughingass.com/photos/Build%20Your%20Own%20Kegerator/slides/Prepping%20the%20Patient.html
>
> gas lines through back: http://tinyurl.com/yhqpqy
> which is short for: http://photos.yahoo.com/robertsperry
>
> Hope this helps and good luck.
>
> enjoy,
>
> brian
>
>
> Sheheryar wrote:
> > Hi
> > I noticed that if I fit two cornies and a CO2 tank in the 4912, the CO2
> > tank will touch the back of the fridge which is frosty. I worry that
> > the tank may get partially frozen. Is that a problem. Do other folks
> > with this fridge and setup have any issues?
> > On the other hand there is a drain hole in the fridge, is it better to
> > do a line in to the CO2 tank from outside the fridge? Any advice and
> > link to photos of setups would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Date: 18 Oct 2006 23:39:00
From: bhath
Subject: Re: Sanyo 4912/CO2 tank freezing risk?
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I agree. If you're going to chop up a fridge to make a kegerator, and
want the tank outside, go all the way and cut a hole in the backside
and run the gas line through there. But the OP is considering other
options.
For my conversion, I cut a hole in the upper left hand corner, if
you're looking in from the front of the fridge (contrary to the hole
position I posted earlier - which was wrong), put a rubber grommet
around the hole and ran the gas line through it. Quick, easy, and it
provides a fair seal to the inside.
I like the idea of flared fittings. I think I am going to upgrade to
quick disconnects soon, so I can detach my tank quickly and painlessly
when I need it for brewing/bottle filling/etc.
enjoy,
brian
Dan Logcher wrote:
> But why would you? If the cold plate develops frost that melts, it may
> not probably drain.
>
> I built my Sanyo with the idea of having the tank inside since I didn't know
> if it would be upstairs in plane view where the kids could muck with the
> tank. Now that it resides in my basement, I consider drilling a hole in the
> back and running a line from the 20# tank. I think I would drill a single
> hole high in the upper corner and afix some 1/4" flared fittings for easy
> disconnection.
>
> --
> Dan
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Date: 19 Oct 2006 09:02:01
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Sanyo 4912/CO2 tank freezing risk?
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bhath wrote:
> I agree. If you're going to chop up a fridge to make a kegerator, and
> want the tank outside, go all the way and cut a hole in the backside
> and run the gas line through there. But the OP is considering other
> options.
>
> For my conversion, I cut a hole in the upper left hand corner, if
> you're looking in from the front of the fridge (contrary to the hole
> position I posted earlier - which was wrong), put a rubber grommet
> around the hole and ran the gas line through it. Quick, easy, and it
> provides a fair seal to the inside.
>
> I like the idea of flared fittings. I think I am going to upgrade to
> quick disconnects soon, so I can detach my tank quickly and painlessly
> when I need it for brewing/bottle filling/etc.
I would suggest 3" x 1/4" pipe to a 90degree elbow on each side. That way
when you attach the flared hoses, you're not twisting the pipe ends and have
to hold it at both sides.. Quick disconnects on either side would solve
that as well. I would probably rig up a dual secondary regulator inside on
one of the side walls so I could freely adjust each keg pressure.
--
Dan
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