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Date: 04 Nov 2006 14:38:52
From: Scott S.
Subject: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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Plans to rack to secondary either today or tomorrow.
Question? Is it OK to rack 5 gal brew to 6.5 gal glass carboy? Of course
the secondary will have an airlock.
Will the headspace in secondary cause issues during the conditioning phase
of the "California Common/Steam Beer"
Thanks
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Date: 04 Nov 2006 09:39:39
From: alebrewer
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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Scott S. wrote:
> Plans to rack to secondary either today or tomorrow.
>
> Question? Is it OK to rack 5 gal brew to 6.5 gal glass carboy? Of course
> the secondary will have an airlock.
> Will the headspace in secondary cause issues during the conditioning phase
> of the "California Common/Steam Beer"
> Thanks
A gallon of headspace is a quite a bit. You risk oxidaiton. If the
fermentation is still active, you will be OK as the yeast will
metabolize the oxygen in the headspace. Some may say that evolving CO2
will push the O2 out, and it will, but since CO2 and O2 mix freely, it
will take quite some time for this to happen.
ab
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Date: 04 Nov 2006 22:42:20
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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alebrewer wrote:
> Scott S. wrote:
>
>>Plans to rack to secondary either today or tomorrow.
>>
>>Question? Is it OK to rack 5 gal brew to 6.5 gal glass carboy? Of course
>>the secondary will have an airlock.
>>Will the headspace in secondary cause issues during the conditioning phase
>>of the "California Common/Steam Beer"
>>Thanks
>
>
> A gallon of headspace is a quite a bit. You risk oxidaiton. If the
> fermentation is still active, you will be OK as the yeast will
> metabolize the oxygen in the headspace. Some may say that evolving CO2
> will push the O2 out, and it will, but since CO2 and O2 mix freely, it
> will take quite some time for this to happen.
It never hurts to purge the air space in the carboy with a blast or
two of CO2 before racking.. After is less ideal, but still doable.
--
Dan
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Date: 04 Nov 2006 17:16:25
From: Bart Goddard
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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streiker@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Question? Is it OK to rack 5 gal brew to 6.5 gal glass carboy? Of
> course the secondary will have an airlock.
It's probably not ideal, but you should be fine. It's considered
better to have as little oxygen as possible in secondary.
Bart
--
The man without a .sig
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 18:39:38
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 14:38:52 GMT, <streiker@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> Plans to rack to secondary either today or tomorrow.
>
> Question? Is it OK to rack 5 gal brew to 6.5 gal glass carboy? Of course
> the secondary will have an airlock.
> Will the headspace in secondary cause issues during the conditioning phase
> of the "California Common/Steam Beer"
It's not a big deal unless you are planning on a really long secondary.
Chances are there is still a little bit of fermentation activity left
when you rack that will purge the headspace with CO2. Even if there isn't,
finished beer still contains some residual CO2 in it that will be knocked
out during racking and help get the oxygen out. The only potential issue is
that if you are planning on a really long secondary oxygen will eventually find
it's way back into the fermenter, and the extra surface area of having 5
gallons in a 6 gallon carboy (because it's not up in the neck) will make
the oxygen react more quickly. For typical secondaries it's not anything to
really worry about.
John.
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 16:49:39
From: Scott S.
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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Not a big deal?
If excess oxidation is the bane of quality primary/secondary how can excess
headspace not be a troublesome?
I spoke to masterbrewers in the industry that all agree excess headspace in
homebrew will lead to off-tastes, etc.
Chemical info for the curious available from collected resources/reearch.
In this case research and reading the sciecne literatrure re:
oxidation and small batch brewuing wind out over "don't worry..."
Thanks
"John 'Shaggy' Kolesar" <spam@shagg.net > wrote in message
news:slrnekv0k3.5f0.spam@weizen.shagg.net...
> On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 14:38:52 GMT, <streiker@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Plans to rack to secondary either today or tomorrow.
>>
>> Question? Is it OK to rack 5 gal brew to 6.5 gal glass carboy? Of
>> course
>> the secondary will have an airlock.
>> Will the headspace in secondary cause issues during the conditioning
>> phase
>> of the "California Common/Steam Beer"
>
> It's not a big deal unless you are planning on a really long secondary.
> Chances are there is still a little bit of fermentation activity left
> when you rack that will purge the headspace with CO2. Even if there
> isn't,
> finished beer still contains some residual CO2 in it that will be knocked
> out during racking and help get the oxygen out. The only potential issue
> is
> that if you are planning on a really long secondary oxygen will eventually
> find
> it's way back into the fermenter, and the extra surface area of having 5
> gallons in a 6 gallon carboy (because it's not up in the neck) will make
> the oxygen react more quickly. For typical secondaries it's not anything
> to
> really worry about.
>
>
> John.
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 22:00:53
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:49:39 -0500, <streiker@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> Not a big deal?
> If excess oxidation is the bane of quality primary/secondary how can excess
> headspace not be a troublesome?
Because excess headspace is not the same as excess oxidation.
John.
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 08:56:54
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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"Scott S." <streiker@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:0C13h.4193$9v5.869@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> Plans to rack to secondary either today or tomorrow.
>
> Question? Is it OK to rack 5 gal brew to 6.5 gal glass carboy? Of course
> the secondary will have an airlock.
> Will the headspace in secondary cause issues during the conditioning phase
> of the "California Common/Steam Beer"
> Thanks
>
>
You are going to want as little head space as possible in your 2ndary to
minimize the amount of oxygen in the container. Oxidation won't ruin your
beer. That is if you don't mind the taste of wet cardboard.
Other than using a 5 or 5.5 gal carboy, there are two ways I use of to get
rid of the O2 head space and that is to either flood the 6.5 carboy with CO2
prior to racking or transfer over just a bit of the yeast from the bottom of
the primary. This will cause the brew to continue to ferment for a bit,
creating CO2 which will push the O2 out through the airlock. Once you think
it has cleared out, cold crash the 2ndary to stop the fermentation (if you
want).
I'm sure others have their own ways as well.
Good luck!
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Date: 10 Nov 2006 04:36:22
From: Scotty B
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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If you were to purge the secondary with CO2 prior to racking, would you
no longer have to worry about splashing?
Scotty B
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Date: 10 Nov 2006 13:33:14
From: John Bleichert
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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Scotty B <michaellasalle@gmail.com > wrote:
> If you were to purge the secondary with CO2 prior to racking, would you
> no longer have to worry about splashing?
>
> Scotty B
>
Is CO2 heavier than air? Will is stay in the carboy while racking?
-----------------------------------------------
John Bleichert syborg@earthlink.net
The heat from below can burn your eyes out!!
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Date: 10 Nov 2006 09:45:18
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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John Bleichert wrote:
> Scotty B <michaellasalle@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>If you were to purge the secondary with CO2 prior to racking, would you
>>no longer have to worry about splashing?
>>
>>Scotty B
>>
>
>
> Is CO2 heavier than air? Will is stay in the carboy while racking?
It is heavier than air.. but it also mixes readily. Not sure how much
it would take to purge the air from a carboy.
--
Dan
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Date: 11 Nov 2006 17:40:18
From: Bob F
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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"Dan Logcher" <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:4554907b$0$568$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...
> John Bleichert wrote:
> > Scotty B <michaellasalle@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>If you were to purge the secondary with CO2 prior to racking, would you
> >>no longer have to worry about splashing?
> >>
> >>Scotty B
> >>
> >
> >
> > Is CO2 heavier than air? Will is stay in the carboy while racking?
>
> It is heavier than air.. but it also mixes readily. Not sure how much
> it would take to purge the air from a carboy.
Fill the carboy with water. Push it out with CO2.
It will take 6 gallons of CO2 for a 6 gallon carboy.
Bob
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Date: 11 Nov 2006 06:09:48
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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On 10 Nov 2006 04:36:22 -0800, <michaellasalle@gmail.com > wrote:
> If you were to purge the secondary with CO2 prior to racking, would you
> no longer have to worry about splashing?
You probably don't have to worry about splashing anyway, unless you're
doing something really funny with your siphon. As long as the output end
of the tubing reaches down into the bottom of the fermenter then you should
be fine.
Purging with CO2 won't hurt, but I doubt it's really necessary unless you've
got problems with your siphoning technique.
John.
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Date: 12 Nov 2006 09:53:06
From: spleenminus@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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pardon the dumb question, but how would someone who isnt set up for
kegging get the co2 into the carboy? i have plenty of co2 tanks for
paintball. is there a way to use those?
On 10 Nov 2006 04:36:22 -0800, "Scotty B" <michaellasalle@gmail.com >
wrote:
>If you were to purge the secondary with CO2 prior to racking, would you
>no longer have to worry about splashing?
>
>Scotty B
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Date: 12 Nov 2006 17:15:52
From: Bob F
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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<spleenminus@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1t7el259cpknu9tibdf1pum2ajemljcv3d@4ax.com...
> pardon the dumb question, but how would someone who isnt set up for
> kegging get the co2 into the carboy? i have plenty of co2 tanks for
> paintball. is there a way to use those?
> On 10 Nov 2006 04:36:22 -0800, "Scotty B" <michaellasalle@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >If you were to purge the secondary with CO2 prior to racking, would you
> >no longer have to worry about splashing?
> >
All you need is a way to very finely control the flow of CO2.
A reguator works best, but a valve that allows to to just
"trickle" CO2 out would do the job as long as you don't
try to go to fast, or to stop the flow at the output end.
Keep the liquid flowing out like a siphon does, and no faster
and you are OK. If you had a hose from the tank to the
carboy, with an extra branch to a balloon, you could just
carefully keep the ballon partially inflated till the carboy
is empty.
Even easier - fill the carboy with water. Invert it into a pan
of water, with the CO2 hose going into it. Turn on the CO2
gently until the carboy is empty. Cover the 'top' and un-invert it.
Bob
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 00:47:15
From: spleenminus@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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sounds like something i should try. gonna brew a batch hopefully this
week so i will give it a shot.
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:15:52 -0800, "Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com >
wrote:
>
><spleenminus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1t7el259cpknu9tibdf1pum2ajemljcv3d@4ax.com...
>> pardon the dumb question, but how would someone who isnt set up for
>> kegging get the co2 into the carboy? i have plenty of co2 tanks for
>> paintball. is there a way to use those?
>> On 10 Nov 2006 04:36:22 -0800, "Scotty B" <michaellasalle@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >If you were to purge the secondary with CO2 prior to racking, would you
>> >no longer have to worry about splashing?
>> >
>
>All you need is a way to very finely control the flow of CO2.
>A reguator works best, but a valve that allows to to just
>"trickle" CO2 out would do the job as long as you don't
>try to go to fast, or to stop the flow at the output end.
>
>Keep the liquid flowing out like a siphon does, and no faster
>and you are OK. If you had a hose from the tank to the
>carboy, with an extra branch to a balloon, you could just
>carefully keep the ballon partially inflated till the carboy
>is empty.
>
>Even easier - fill the carboy with water. Invert it into a pan
>of water, with the CO2 hose going into it. Turn on the CO2
>gently until the carboy is empty. Cover the 'top' and un-invert it.
>
>Bob
>
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Date: 12 Nov 2006 13:39:40
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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spleenminus@yahoo.com wrote:
> pardon the dumb question, but how would someone who isnt set up for
> kegging get the co2 into the carboy? i have plenty of co2 tanks for
> paintball. is there a way to use those?
Certainly not a dumb question. Get a Paintball remote setup and use
that.. Remote adaptor should have an on/off valve, and the other end
that you'd attach to the marker you could stick in the carboy.
Here's an example.. http://www.paintball-discounters.com/get_item_160313par.htm
--
Dan
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 00:34:59
From:
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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: > pardon the dumb question, but how would someone who isnt set up for
: > kegging get the co2 into the carboy? i have plenty of co2 tanks for
: > paintball. is there a way to use those?
: Certainly not a dumb question. Get a Paintball remote setup and use
: that.. Remote adaptor should have an on/off valve, and the other end
: that you'd attach to the marker you could stick in the carboy.
: Here's an example.. http://www.paintball-discounters.com/get_item_160313par.htm
... and as long as you've gone that far (setting up paintball tanks with a regulator), do yourself a favor and buy a couple of
corny kegs at $15-20 each and $20 worth of fittings and hoses to get into kegging. It's *MUCH* easier and has more control than
bottling. My brother uses paintball cylinders exclusively for his relatively extensive (15-20 keg) brewing operation. Probably figure
between 5-10oz CO2 per batch, depending on a number of factors.
-Cory
--
*************************************************************************
* Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA *
* Electrical Engineering *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
*************************************************************************
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Date: 12 Nov 2006 22:08:22
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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papenfussDIESPAM@juneauDOTmeDOTvt.edu wrote:
> : > pardon the dumb question, but how would someone who isnt set up for
> : > kegging get the co2 into the carboy? i have plenty of co2 tanks for
> : > paintball. is there a way to use those?
>
> : Certainly not a dumb question. Get a Paintball remote setup and use
> : that.. Remote adaptor should have an on/off valve, and the other end
> : that you'd attach to the marker you could stick in the carboy.
>
> : Here's an example.. http://www.paintball-discounters.com/get_item_160313par.htm
>
> ... and as long as you've gone that far (setting up paintball tanks with a regulator), do yourself a favor and buy a couple of
> corny kegs at $15-20 each and $20 worth of fittings and hoses to get into kegging. It's *MUCH* easier and has more control than
> bottling. My brother uses paintball cylinders exclusively for his relatively extensive (15-20 keg) brewing operation. Probably figure
> between 5-10oz CO2 per batch, depending on a number of factors.
Yeah, just go straight to kegs like I did. Though I use a 20# and 5# tank for
carbonating and pushing beer (respectively). I will use my paintball tanks for
3 gallon mobile kegs that I take on the go.
--
Dan
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 00:45:54
From: spleenminus@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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I really want to start kegging but am a little unsure of what i need.
the kegs i have found are 5 gal (corny's?) and the shipping is out of
hand. i am going to try and contact soda distributors and see what i
come up with locally.
a friend is giving me a fridge and i have a coworker who may donate a
chest freezer. ideally i'd like to have 1 as a fermenting chamber and
the other as a kegerator with a few batches on tap or at least chilled
and ready to tap at a time. the cost of kegs concerns me though. using
paintball co2 would help as i have like 6 tanks but i havent gotten
serious enough about it to read up on what is needed and involved in
kegging. guess there is no time like the present!
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 00:34:59 +0000 (UTC),
papenfussDIESPAM@juneauDOTmeDOTvt.edu wrote:
>: > pardon the dumb question, but how would someone who isnt set up for
>: > kegging get the co2 into the carboy? i have plenty of co2 tanks for
>: > paintball. is there a way to use those?
>
>: Certainly not a dumb question. Get a Paintball remote setup and use
>: that.. Remote adaptor should have an on/off valve, and the other end
>: that you'd attach to the marker you could stick in the carboy.
>
>: Here's an example.. http://www.paintball-discounters.com/get_item_160313par.htm
>
> ... and as long as you've gone that far (setting up paintball tanks with a regulator), do yourself a favor and buy a couple of
>corny kegs at $15-20 each and $20 worth of fittings and hoses to get into kegging. It's *MUCH* easier and has more control than
>bottling. My brother uses paintball cylinders exclusively for his relatively extensive (15-20 keg) brewing operation. Probably figure
>between 5-10oz CO2 per batch, depending on a number of factors.
>
>-Cory
>
> --
>
>*************************************************************************
>* Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA *
>* Electrical Engineering *
>* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
>*************************************************************************
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 07:35:36
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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spleenminus@yahoo.com wrote:
> I really want to start kegging but am a little unsure of what i need.
> the kegs i have found are 5 gal (corny's?) and the shipping is out of
> hand. i am going to try and contact soda distributors and see what i
> come up with locally.
> a friend is giving me a fridge and i have a coworker who may donate a
> chest freezer. ideally i'd like to have 1 as a fermenting chamber and
> the other as a kegerator with a few batches on tap or at least chilled
> and ready to tap at a time. the cost of kegs concerns me though. using
> paintball co2 would help as i have like 6 tanks but i havent gotten
> serious enough about it to read up on what is needed and involved in
> kegging. guess there is no time like the present!
You need a tank, regulator, check valve (preferably with on/off), tubing,
a tank wrench, clamps, and ball-lock connectors. You may want to look into
buying a 5# tank to carbonate and push your beer. Paintball tanks are pretty
small and may run out too often. Paintball tanks would be good for on the go
pushing, but probably not cabonating.
--
Dan
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 13:21:02
From: spleenminus@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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Thanks! i cant wait to keg.
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:35:36 -0500, Dan Logcher
<dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net > wrote:
>spleenminus@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I really want to start kegging but am a little unsure of what i need.
>> the kegs i have found are 5 gal (corny's?) and the shipping is out of
>> hand. i am going to try and contact soda distributors and see what i
>> come up with locally.
>> a friend is giving me a fridge and i have a coworker who may donate a
>> chest freezer. ideally i'd like to have 1 as a fermenting chamber and
>> the other as a kegerator with a few batches on tap or at least chilled
>> and ready to tap at a time. the cost of kegs concerns me though. using
>> paintball co2 would help as i have like 6 tanks but i havent gotten
>> serious enough about it to read up on what is needed and involved in
>> kegging. guess there is no time like the present!
>
>You need a tank, regulator, check valve (preferably with on/off), tubing,
>a tank wrench, clamps, and ball-lock connectors. You may want to look into
>buying a 5# tank to carbonate and push your beer. Paintball tanks are pretty
>small and may run out too often. Paintball tanks would be good for on the go
>pushing, but probably not cabonating.
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 11:58:04
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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spleenminus@yahoo.com wrote:
> Thanks! i cant wait to keg.
Its a breeze.. 5 Gallon corny's are easy to
clean, fill, and use. I wouldn't enjoy this
hobby as much if I had to deal with bottles
all the time.
--
Dan
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 13:24:59
From: Bob F
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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<spleenminus@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:gpsil2dgupr794t8b96ib18os7u1s0fo37@4ax.com...
> I really want to start kegging but am a little unsure of what i need.
> the kegs i have found are 5 gal (corny's?) and the shipping is out of
> hand. i am going to try and contact soda distributors and see what i
> come up with locally.
The best price I've seen recently:
http://www.homebrewing.org/Kegging-Systems_c_24-1.html
I've found quite a few on craigslist locally.
Bob
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 17:42:27
From: spleenminus@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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If i get this set up, with the corny kegs can it be used as a
kegerator also and if so can it be used to dispense commercial kegs?
Thanks,
john
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:24:59 -0800, "Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com >
wrote:
>
><spleenminus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:gpsil2dgupr794t8b96ib18os7u1s0fo37@4ax.com...
>> I really want to start kegging but am a little unsure of what i need.
>> the kegs i have found are 5 gal (corny's?) and the shipping is out of
>> hand. i am going to try and contact soda distributors and see what i
>> come up with locally.
>
>The best price I've seen recently:
>http://www.homebrewing.org/Kegging-Systems_c_24-1.html
>
>I've found quite a few on craigslist locally.
>
>Bob
>
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 01:08:10
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:42:27 -0700, <spleenminus@yahoo.com > wrote:
> If i get this set up, with the corny kegs can it be used as a
> kegerator also and if so can it be used to dispense commercial kegs?
It's possible to do, but the part that connects to the keg on commercial kegs
is usually different than the one on corny kegs. If you can find commercial
beer in corny kegs, then you're all set. However, most commercial beer comes
in 1/2 barrel Sankey (or a couple other type) kegs. You'll need seperate
connectors and either multiple faucets or else a way of swapping the
commercial connectors with corny QDs on the same lines.
The way I do it is to have a dedicated tap/line/faucet for commercial kegs and
seperate QDs/lines/faucets for my homebrew. They all share the same CO2 tank
though.
John.
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 17:33:15
From: spleenminus@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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Thanks a lot! Any recomendation on which is the best lock type for
these kegs?
John
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:24:59 -0800, "Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com >
wrote:
>http://www.homebrewing.org/Kegging-Systems_c_24-1.html
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 00:05:19
From: Bob F
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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<spleenminus@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:4dcnl2prvc6blqgdto9v4cqgaflvpqm80f@4ax.com...
> Thanks a lot! Any recomendation on which is the best lock type for
> these kegs?
I've got both ball and pin-lock kegs. Personally, I prefer the
pin-lock because the ins and outs are easily distinguished, and
they seem to go on and off easier. The ball locks seem to bind
frequently, in my experience. Lubing them does help.
It seems like ball-lock kegs are more popular in the homebrew
community, and many people seem to stick with them. I've gotten
most of my kegs free or cheap at yard sales or off craigslist postings,
so I am not picky. It just means I need the appropriate kind of
connector on the hoses used for a keg.
Bob
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 14:10:55
From:
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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: I've got both ball and pin-lock kegs. Personally, I prefer the
: pin-lock because the ins and outs are easily distinguished, and
: they seem to go on and off easier. The ball locks seem to bind
: frequently, in my experience. Lubing them does help.
: It seems like ball-lock kegs are more popular in the homebrew
: community, and many people seem to stick with them. I've gotten
: most of my kegs free or cheap at yard sales or off craigslist postings,
: so I am not picky. It just means I need the appropriate kind of
: connector on the hoses used for a keg.
I've got pin-lock, and my brother's got ball-lock kegs. I agree with your
sentiment that the pin-lock ones are more user-friendly. Easily distinguished ins and
outs and no possibility of forcing the wrong one on... especially after an evening of
imbibing homebrew...
Now if I could just find replacement poppet valves for my goofy kegs...
-Cory
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* Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA *
* Electrical Engineering *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 09:57:03
From: Bob F
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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<papenfussDIESPAM@juneauDOTmeDOTvt.edu > wrote in message
news:ejhrhf$a6h$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu...
> : I've got both ball and pin-lock kegs. Personally, I prefer the
> : pin-lock because the ins and outs are easily distinguished, and
> : they seem to go on and off easier. The ball locks seem to bind
> : frequently, in my experience. Lubing them does help.
>
> : It seems like ball-lock kegs are more popular in the homebrew
> : community, and many people seem to stick with them. I've gotten
> : most of my kegs free or cheap at yard sales or off craigslist postings,
> : so I am not picky. It just means I need the appropriate kind of
> : connector on the hoses used for a keg.
>
> I've got pin-lock, and my brother's got ball-lock kegs. I agree with your
> sentiment that the pin-lock ones are more user-friendly. Easily
distinguished ins and
> outs and no possibility of forcing the wrong one on... especially after an
evening of
> imbibing homebrew...
>
> Now if I could just find replacement poppet valves for my goofy kegs...
That brings up another advantage of pin-lock. At least the ones I have
use easily available o-rings on the popits.
Bob
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 10:43:20
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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papenfussDIESPAM@juneauDOTmeDOTvt.edu wrote:
> : I've got both ball and pin-lock kegs. Personally, I prefer the
> : pin-lock because the ins and outs are easily distinguished, and
> : they seem to go on and off easier. The ball locks seem to bind
> : frequently, in my experience. Lubing them does help.
>
> : It seems like ball-lock kegs are more popular in the homebrew
> : community, and many people seem to stick with them. I've gotten
> : most of my kegs free or cheap at yard sales or off craigslist postings,
> : so I am not picky. It just means I need the appropriate kind of
> : connector on the hoses used for a keg.
>
> I've got pin-lock, and my brother's got ball-lock kegs. I agree with your
> sentiment that the pin-lock ones are more user-friendly. Easily distinguished ins and
> outs and no possibility of forcing the wrong one on... especially after an evening of
> imbibing homebrew...
My brother-in-law has pin-lock for his cider making. He and his orchard
owning friend have about 35 of them.. I went ball-lock since my Beer-no-factor
gave me 4 to start. I have no problem telling the two posts apart, as most
all my kegs are labeled IN/OUT. I can even feel the difference in the posts
with my eyes closed.
--
Dan
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Date: 21 Nov 2006 19:31:36
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:05:19 -0800, <bobnospam@gmail.com > wrote:
>
><spleenminus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4dcnl2prvc6blqgdto9v4cqgaflvpqm80f@4ax.com...
>> Thanks a lot! Any recomendation on which is the best lock type for
>> these kegs?
>
> I've got both ball and pin-lock kegs. Personally, I prefer the
> pin-lock because the ins and outs are easily distinguished, and
> they seem to go on and off easier. The ball locks seem to bind
> frequently, in my experience. Lubing them does help.
>
> It seems like ball-lock kegs are more popular in the homebrew
> community, and many people seem to stick with them. I've gotten
> most of my kegs free or cheap at yard sales or off craigslist postings,
> so I am not picky. It just means I need the appropriate kind of
> connector on the hoses used for a keg.
I too prefer pin-lock kegs, but it's definitely worth nothing that ball-lock
kegs are more popular and much easier to find. I had to really hunt around
the last time I wanted to get more pin-lock kegs. IMO, if you wanted to
keep everything on one system or the other, I'd go with ball-locks.
John.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 00:41:20
From: spleenminus@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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Thanks for the suggestion! Thankfully I have a remote! i think i will
try this when i transfer my ciders to secondaries (and 1 that will be
going to whatever comes after secondary) tri-dary?
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:39:40 -0500, Dan Logcher
<dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net > wrote:
>spleenminus@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> pardon the dumb question, but how would someone who isnt set up for
>> kegging get the co2 into the carboy? i have plenty of co2 tanks for
>> paintball. is there a way to use those?
>
>Certainly not a dumb question. Get a Paintball remote setup and use
>that.. Remote adaptor should have an on/off valve, and the other end
>that you'd attach to the marker you could stick in the carboy.
>
>Here's an example.. http://www.paintball-discounters.com/get_item_160313par.htm
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Date: 12 Nov 2006 09:28:23
From: alebrewer
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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spleenminus@yahoo.com wrote:
> pardon the dumb question, but how would someone who isnt set up for
> kegging get the co2 into the carboy? i have plenty of co2 tanks for
> paintball. is there a way to use those?
> On 10 Nov 2006 04:36:22 -0800, "Scotty B" <michaellasalle@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >If you were to purge the secondary with CO2 prior to racking, would you
> >no longer have to worry about splashing?
> >
> >Scotty B
I've heard plenty of dumb questions in my time, enough to be able to
frimly state that that is not one of them.
You can use the Paintball CO2 tanks, but you will need a regulator.
Without a regulator, they pressure will be too high and at best, you
will have a mess; at worst, you will hurt yourself or someone else. If
you google this group for Paintball, you will probably come up with a
thread that discusses the topic. One of my future projects is to get a
Paintball tank rigged up to use for CO2 in kegging (so I don't have to
lug my 20 Lb tank around (only the 50 Lb Corny :^)
ab
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 00:39:17
From: spleenminus@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Racking 5 gals to 6 gal carboy
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I saw a keg set up for use with painball co2 tanks in the williams (i
think) catalog. would that work for 5 and even pony kegs?
On 12 Nov 2006 09:28:23 -0800, "alebrewer" <alebrewer@wt.net > wrote:
>
>spleenminus@yahoo.com wrote:
>> pardon the dumb question, but how would someone who isnt set up for
>> kegging get the co2 into the carboy? i have plenty of co2 tanks for
>> paintball. is there a way to use those?
>> On 10 Nov 2006 04:36:22 -0800, "Scotty B" <michaellasalle@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >If you were to purge the secondary with CO2 prior to racking, would you
>> >no longer have to worry about splashing?
>> >
>> >Scotty B
>
>I've heard plenty of dumb questions in my time, enough to be able to
>frimly state that that is not one of them.
>
>You can use the Paintball CO2 tanks, but you will need a regulator.
>Without a regulator, they pressure will be too high and at best, you
>will have a mess; at worst, you will hurt yourself or someone else. If
>you google this group for Paintball, you will probably come up with a
>thread that discusses the topic. One of my future projects is to get a
>Paintball tank rigged up to use for CO2 in kegging (so I don't have to
>lug my 20 Lb tank around (only the 50 Lb Corny :^)
>
>ab
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