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Date: 19 Dec 2006 05:20:37
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Subject: Priming rates: UK measurements
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I've had a few problems in the past with undercarbed batches. First, I
want to check that my priming rate is OK.
Could someone clarify the amount of priming sugar needed in *UK* units,
please?
US recipes quote something like 3/4 cup for 5 US galls.
But how big is the cup??
Currently I use 2 x tablespoons per 1 UK gallon. I add the sugar
solution in a some boiled water to a batch in a bottling bucket. All
brews are bottled.
Even using this measure, there is some uncertainty... I use level
tablespoons, others may use heaped tablespoons!
Thanks
Bruce
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 13:31:28
From: Ed Edelenbos
Subject: Re: Priming rates: UK measurements
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<bruce_phipps@my-deja.com > wrote in message
news:1166534437.577523.194680@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I've had a few problems in the past with undercarbed batches. First, I
> want to check that my priming rate is OK.
> Could someone clarify the amount of priming sugar needed in *UK* units,
> please?
>
> US recipes quote something like 3/4 cup for 5 US galls.
> But how big is the cup??
>
> Currently I use 2 x tablespoons per 1 UK gallon. I add the sugar
> solution in a some boiled water to a batch in a bottling bucket. All
> brews are bottled.
> Even using this measure, there is some uncertainty... I use level
> tablespoons, others may use heaped tablespoons!
>
> Thanks
> Bruce
>
Typical (or so I've seen) is 5 oz. for a 5 US gallon batch. From there,
you'd need a conversion table for US to UK gallons. I think ounces stay the
same.
Ed
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 16:19:10
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Priming rates: UK measurements
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On 19 Dec 2006 05:20:37 -0800, <bruce_phipps@my-deja.com > wrote:
> I've had a few problems in the past with undercarbed batches. First, I
> want to check that my priming rate is OK.
> Could someone clarify the amount of priming sugar needed in *UK* units,
> please?
>
> US recipes quote something like 3/4 cup for 5 US galls.
> But how big is the cup??
>
> Currently I use 2 x tablespoons per 1 UK gallon. I add the sugar
> solution in a some boiled water to a batch in a bottling bucket. All
> brews are bottled.
> Even using this measure, there is some uncertainty... I use level
> tablespoons, others may use heaped tablespoons!
Yeah, there's always going to be some inaccuracy when measuring by
volume. How tightly you pack the sugar, heaping, etc. IIRC, the
"standard" recommendation of 3/4 cup per 5 US gallons works out to
something like 12 tablespoons per US gallon, which is 2.4 tablespoons
per 1 US gallon. A UK gallon is bigger, so you're probably pretty
close to the "standard" by using 2 tablespoons.
A more accurate way would be doing it by weight, if you can. 3/4 cup
works out to 5oz by weight per 5 US gallons, or you can break it down
to 1oz per 1 US gallon. That makes it around 1.2oz per UK gallon. Is
there a difference between a US ounce and a UK ounce?
In the end though, what really matters if if you like it, not whether
you fall right on the "standard". If 2 tablespoons of priming sugar
doesn't give you enough carbonation for your tastes, then use more. ;)
John.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 16:31:02
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Priming rates: UK measurements
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On 19 Dec 2006 16:19:10 GMT, <spam@shagg.net > wrote:
> Yeah, there's always going to be some inaccuracy when measuring by
> volume. How tightly you pack the sugar, heaping, etc. IIRC, the
> "standard" recommendation of 3/4 cup per 5 US gallons works out to
> something like 12 tablespoons per US gallon, which is 2.4 tablespoons
> per 1 US gallon. A UK gallon is bigger, so you're probably pretty
> close to the "standard" by using 2 tablespoons.
Oops, did that last bit backwards. You'd actually be better off with
just short of 3 tablespoons per UK gallon (technically 2.88). I divided
instead of multiplied the first time. A UK gallon is bigger so you would
need more, not less.
Sorry about that.
John.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 17:44:42
From: Andy Davison
Subject: Re: Priming rates: UK measurements
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On Tuesday 19 December 2006 16:31, John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> Oops, did that last bit backwards. You'd actually be better off with
> just short of 3 tablespoons per UK gallon (technically 2.88). I divided
> instead of multiplied the first time. A UK gallon is bigger so you would
> need more, not less.
But is the US tablespoon the same as the UK one or is the US one the same as
a UK desert spoon? I think I'll ask Private Eye to revive the 'Me And My
Spoon' column and have a discussion on the relative sizes of spoon from
different manufacturers around the world (could be ideal for a Michael
Palin MaMS).
I always use around 100g dry weight of table sugar to prime 25 litres or so
(the 'or so' is down to losses in the yeast which are sometimes a bit more
than others).
--
Andy Davison
andy [at] oiyou [dot] ukfsn [dot] org
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 18:54:01
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Priming rates: UK measurements
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On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:44:42 +0000, <andydvsn@yahoo.co.uk > wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 December 2006 16:31, John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
>
>> Oops, did that last bit backwards. You'd actually be better off with
>> just short of 3 tablespoons per UK gallon (technically 2.88). I divided
>> instead of multiplied the first time. A UK gallon is bigger so you would
>> need more, not less.
>
> But is the US tablespoon the same as the UK one or is the US one the same as
> a UK desert spoon? I think I'll ask Private Eye to revive the 'Me And My
> Spoon' column and have a discussion on the relative sizes of spoon from
> different manufacturers around the world (could be ideal for a Michael
> Palin MaMS).
>
> I always use around 100g dry weight of table sugar to prime 25 litres or so
> (the 'or so' is down to losses in the yeast which are sometimes a bit more
> than others).
Is that a UK gram or a US gram? In the US, we call our grams "ounces". ;)
John.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 22:35:38
From: Andy Davison
Subject: Re: Priming rates: UK measurements
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On Tuesday 19 December 2006 18:54, John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> Is that a UK gram or a US gram? In the US, we call our grams "ounces".
> ;)
No, it's a UK gramme - a gram is a pulse such as chickpea, mung bean, urad
etc. :)
Actually that makes we thing about curry beer. Cumin is often used in tiny
amounts in wheat beers. I wonder if anyone has tried malting their own
chickpeas (bean sprouts and rice for the Chinese version flavoured, of
course, with spring onions, ginger and garlic)
--
Andy Davison
andy [at] oiyou [dot] ukfsn [dot] org
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 08:05:41
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Priming rates: UK measurements
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On Dec 19, 7:20 am, bruce_phi...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I've had a few problems in the past with undercarbed batches. First, I
> want to check that my priming rate is OK.
> Could someone clarify the amount of priming sugar needed in *UK* units,
> please?
>
> US recipes quote something like 3/4 cup for 5 US galls.
> But how big is the cup??
>
> Currently I use 2 x tablespoons per 1 UK gallon. I add the sugar
> solution in a some boiled water to a batch in a bottling bucket. All
> brews are bottled.
> Even using this measure, there is some uncertainty... I use level
> tablespoons, others may use heaped tablespoons!
>
> Thanks
> Bruce
4 tablespoons = 1/4 cup so 12 tbs should suffice for a 5 US Gallon
batch. or 14.4 tablespoons for 5 Imperial Gallon. (An imperial gallon
is 1.2 US gallon right?)
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 15:27:06
From: Derric
Subject: Re: Priming rates: UK measurements
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> US recipes quote something like 3/4 cup for 5 US galls.
> But how big is the cup??
That would be 3/4 of an 8 US FLUID ounce cup of CORN sugar. But I don't
use cups anymore, I weigh the sugar. I use 4 US ounces (by WEIGHT)
in 5 gallons, normally. I think that would convert to about 115 grams
in 5 US gallons, or 115 grams in 4.2 British Imperial gallons or about
137 grams in 5 Imperial gallons (if I did all the math right).
If you use weight instead of volume measure, then you can substitute
1:1 corn sugar and table sugar and not worry about it (I think table
sugar is heavier than corn sugar (it is a double sugar molecule), so
you need more corn sugar, by volume, than table sugar, to get the same
amount by weight). (Boy, that paragraph came out pretty unclear...).
> Currently I use 2 x tablespoons per 1 UK gallon.
That "feels" like way too little... at least for US priming levels...
Let's see... 2 tbs would be about 0.6 cup (let's say 2/3). That would
be a little low for 5 US gallons, and even lower for 5 Imperial gallons
(hmmm... about 65% of what you would need, I think).
> Even using this measure, there is some uncertainty... I use level
> tablespoons, others may use heaped tablespoons!
Right... that's another good reason to use weight! :) Grams are grams,
no matter what shape you pile the sugar into. :)
Derric
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 07:07:01
From: Just Another Bob
Subject: Re: Priming rates: UK measurements
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> But how big is the cup??
>
>
> Thanks
> Bruce
1 US cup = 0.236588237 liters
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 19:47:15
From: Tim Boyer
Subject: Re: Priming rates: UK measurements
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On 19 Dec 2006 05:20:37 -0800, bruce_phipps@my-deja.com wrote:
>I've had a few problems in the past with undercarbed batches. First, I
>want to check that my priming rate is OK.
>Could someone clarify the amount of priming sugar needed in *UK* units,
>please?
>
>US recipes quote something like 3/4 cup for 5 US galls.
>But how big is the cup??
>
>Currently I use 2 x tablespoons per 1 UK gallon. I add the sugar
>solution in a some boiled water to a batch in a bottling bucket. All
>brews are bottled.
>Even using this measure, there is some uncertainty... I use level
>tablespoons, others may use heaped tablespoons!
>
>Thanks
>Bruce
Bruce -
One US T = 1 UK T = 15 mL. So 3/4 cup is 12 tablespoons, or 180mL. But
personally, I've always thought that that amount overcarbed beers, especially
English ales - I usually use about 1/2 that.
--
tim boyer
tim@denmantire.com
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 16:56:11
From: alt.geek
Subject: Re: Priming rates: UK measurements
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> Could someone clarify the amount of priming sugar needed in *UK* units,
> please?
Basically, you're looking at 4 mutchkins per hogshead. Scale
accordingly.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 10:09:50
From: Andy Davison
Subject: Re: Priming rates: UK measurements
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On Wednesday 20 December 2006 00:56, alt.geek wrote:
> Basically, you're looking at 4 mutchkins per hogshead. Scale
> accordingly.
I think that is way over the top. I wouldn't go much over 2 maybe 2.5
--
Andy Davison
andy [at] oiyou [dot] ukfsn [dot] org
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 23:25:52
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Priming rates: UK measurements
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On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 05:20:37 -0800, bruce_phipps wrote:
> I've had a few problems in the past with undercarbed batches. First, I
> want to check that my priming rate is OK.
> Could someone clarify the amount of priming sugar needed in *UK* units,
> please?
>
> US recipes quote something like 3/4 cup for 5 US galls.
> But how big is the cup??
>
> Currently I use 2 x tablespoons per 1 UK gallon. I add the sugar
> solution in a some boiled water to a batch in a bottling bucket. All
> brews are bottled.
> Even using this measure, there is some uncertainty... I use level
> tablespoons, others may use heaped tablespoons!
>
> Thanks
> Bruce
I used 80 grammes (84 actually but I couldn't be bothered to measure
back the extra 4 grammes) of table sugar into a 23 litre batch and
it's nicely carbonated. This was in a plastic keg, of course and not
bottles.
Wayne
--
Registered Linux user #375994
http://www.geocities.jp/rondonko/
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 06:54:59
From: alt.geek
Subject: Re: Priming rates: UK measurements
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Andy Davison wrote:
> On Wednesday 20 December 2006 00:56, alt.geek wrote:
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> > Basically, you're looking at 4 mutchkins per hogshead. Scale
> > accordingly.
>
> I think that is way over the top. I wouldn't go much over 2 maybe 2.5
I would definitely agree for an 8 firkin hogshead. But certainly not
for an 18 rundlet hogshead.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 10:37:19
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Priming rates: UK measurements
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<bruce_phipps@my-deja.com > wrote:
> I've had a few problems in the past with undercarbed batches.
> First, I want to check that my priming rate is OK.
> Could someone clarify the amount of priming sugar needed in
> *UK* units, please?
>
> US recipes quote something like 3/4 cup for 5 US galls.
> But how big is the cup??
A US cup is 8 fluid ounces. A UK cup is 8.3 fluid ounces.
A US cup of sugar weighs 200 grams. So 3/4 cup is 150 grams.
> Currently I use 2 x tablespoons per 1 UK gallon. I add the sugar
> solution in a some boiled water to a batch in a bottling bucket.
> All brews are bottled. Even using this measure, there is some
> uncertainty... I use level tablespoons, others may use heaped
> tablespoons!
A US tablespoon is .5 fl oz while a UK tablespoon is .52 fl oz.
A UK gallon = 1.2 US gallons. So using tablespoons, my guess is
something slightly less than 2.5 UK tablespoons of table sugar
per UK gallon.
Dick
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