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Date: 14 Sep 2006 17:37:25
From: kkociolek@pghmail.com
Subject: Polypropylene Boiling Buckets


I saw the owner of my local HBS use a Bruheat Boiler and immediately
fell in love with it. Problem is they're only sold in th UK and because
they don't have the UL rating there are liabilities and UK suppliers
won't ship to the states. So, after doing some research I decided to
build my own. I found a suitable water heater element (3KW@240VAC), a
thermostat, and the last piece of my puzzle is a 6 gallon boiling
bucket. From what I gathered so far, HDPE doesn't have the necessary
temperature rating. About 180Fmax. I found a PourMaxx 7-gallon Pail
that is food grade polypropylene from Gemplers
http://www.gemplers.com/a/shop/product.asp?T1=134217&src=21SM001. Are
there any experts out there that can confirm that polypropylene has a
higher temperature rating and doesn't leach out any nastys when doing a
boil?





 
Date: 15 Sep 2006 01:17:45
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Polypropylene Boiling Buckets


kkociolek@pghmail.com <kkociolek8577@wowway.com > wrote:

> I saw the owner of my local HBS use a Bruheat Boiler and immediately
> fell in love with it. Problem is they're only sold in th UK and because
> they don't have the UL rating there are liabilities and UK suppliers
> won't ship to the states. So, after doing some research I decided to
> build my own. I found a suitable water heater element (3KW@240VAC), a
> thermostat, and the last piece of my puzzle is a 6 gallon boiling
> bucket. From what I gathered so far, HDPE doesn't have the necessary
> temperature rating. About 180Fmax. I found a PourMaxx 7-gallon Pail
> that is food grade polypropylene from Gemplers
> http://www.gemplers.com/a/shop/product.asp?T1=134217&src=21SM001. Are
> there any experts out there that can confirm that polypropylene has a
> higher temperature rating and doesn't leach out any nastys when doing a
> boil?

My suspicion is that they are using a thicker plastic than is
available in fermentation pails in the States. Maybe a UK
supplier will ship you the pail. If not, you can use a 7 gallon
stainless kettle - better safe than sorry. Be aware that when a
heating element is in direct contact with the wort, the malt
tends to get scorched onto the heating element.

Dick




  
Date: 15 Sep 2006 09:23:51
From: KGB (KGB)
Subject: Re: Polypropylene Boiling Buckets


On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:17:45 -0000, rdadams@smart.net (Dick Adams)
wrote:

<SNIP >
>Be aware that when a
>heating element is in direct contact with the wort, the malt
>tends to get scorched onto the heating element.

Hi

I have never had a problem with that happening.

Regards
KGB



  
Date: 15 Sep 2006 00:09:59
From: Bill Riel
Subject: Re: Polypropylene Boiling Buckets


In article <12gjvppiivs3kd5@corp.supernews.com >, rdadams@smart.net
says...

> My suspicion is that they are using a thicker plastic than is
> available in fermentation pails in the States. Maybe a UK
> supplier will ship you the pail. If not, you can use a 7 gallon
> stainless kettle - better safe than sorry. Be aware that when a
> heating element is in direct contact with the wort, the malt
> tends to get scorched onto the heating element.

I know several brewers here (in Canada) who use plastic buckets with a
heat element. I'm not totally comfortable with it myself, but it seems
to work out fine. If I were going that route, I'd use a stainless kettle
as you've recommended.

Surprisingly, scorching doesn't seem to be a problem. At least there's
no hint of it in any of the finished beer I've tasted.

Come to think of it, one of the former regulars here (Brian Lundeed)
rigged up a stainless kettle with electric elements so he could brew in
the winter (living in Winnipeg can make you do weird things). I haven't
seen him post in a long time, but then again, I've been more or less
absent for a while, too.

--
Bill


  
Date: 16 Sep 2006 02:41:25
From: Andy Davison
Subject: Re: Polypropylene Boiling Buckets


On Friday 15 September 2006 02:17, Dick Adams wrote:

> Be aware that when a
> heating element is in direct contact with the wort, the malt
> tends to get scorched onto the heating element.

Doesn't happen here with a 240V 3Kw Burco.
--
Andy Davison
andy [at] oiyou [dot] ukfsn [dot] org


 
Date: 15 Sep 2006 06:17:10
From: changey
Subject: Re: Polypropylene Boiling Buckets



Bill Riel wrote:
> In article <12gjvppiivs3kd5@corp.supernews.com>, rdadams@smart.net
> says...
>
> > My suspicion is that they are using a thicker plastic than is
> > available in fermentation pails in the States. Maybe a UK
> > supplier will ship you the pail. If not, you can use a 7 gallon
> > stainless kettle - better safe than sorry. Be aware that when a
> > heating element is in direct contact with the wort, the malt
> > tends to get scorched onto the heating element.
>
> I know several brewers here (in Canada) who use plastic buckets with a
> heat element. I'm not totally comfortable with it myself, but it seems
> to work out fine. If I were going that route, I'd use a stainless kettle
> as you've recommended.
>
> Surprisingly, scorching doesn't seem to be a problem. At least there's
> no hint of it in any of the finished beer I've tasted.
>
> Come to think of it, one of the former regulars here (Brian Lundeed)
> rigged up a stainless kettle with electric elements so he could brew in
> the winter (living in Winnipeg can make you do weird things). I haven't
> seen him post in a long time, but then again, I've been more or less
> absent for a while, too.
>
> --
> Bill

Aren't you the dead guy?



  
Date: 15 Sep 2006 08:57:21
From: Bill Riel
Subject: Re: Polypropylene Boiling Buckets


In article <1158326230.245577.38750@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com >,
patrickundertow@hotmail.com says...

> Aren't you the dead guy?

Hold on, I'll check...

Whew! not me - but you had me going for a while.

I think you are confusing me with Mike Dixon (though it's possible my
wife "Jezebel" also posted my obit here at some point in the past).

--
Bill