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Date: 06 Sep 2006 13:02:20
From: changey
Subject: Plastic Drums for fermentaion
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I know plastic is looked down upon for long secondaries, but would
these make good primaries?
http://www.bestcontainers.com/plastic-drums-plastic-open-head-drums-plastic-open-head-straight-sided-drums.html
And why does this say "good for wine" but no mention of "good for
beer?"
http://www.midwestsupplies.com/products/ProdByID.aspx?ProdID=6016
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 14:12:56
From: changey
Subject: Re: Plastic Drums for fermentaion
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neal wrote:
> changey wrote:
> > I know plastic is looked down upon for long secondaries, but would
> > these make good primaries?
> >
> >http://www.bestcontainers.com/plastic-drums-plastic-open-head-drums-plastic-open-head-straight-sided-drums.html
>
> Nice. They have a 14 gallon model as well. Get the faucet and you are
> set.
>
> These are pretty thick walls and the permeability of thickwalled high
> density plastic is not something to worry about overly for a period of
> time measured in months. Do worry about the seal/gasket, make sure
> it's sealed.
>
> Do some seaches in this group in HDPE and you can find varing opinions
> on this ;-)
>
> How in gods name are going to be able to brew enough wort to fill that?
> I suppose you could do 4 consecutive 10 gallon batches and dump them
> in the bucket over a period of a day... and 10 packets of dry yeast.
>
> Wow, that would be something.
I plan on getting a huge-ass brewpot.....80 - 100 quarts. and a giant
burner, too.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 14:10:57
From: changey
Subject: Re: Plastic Drums for fermentaion
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changey wrote:
> The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty wrote:
> > changey wrote:
> > > The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty wrote:
> > >
> > >>changey wrote:
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > I was looking at the 30 gallon jobbies. I just can't afford one of the
> > > plastic conicals that cost $500-$700.
> > >
> >
> > Check US Plastics -- I think they're called "Mix and Fill" tanks. Not
> > dirt cheap, but last I checked, I think a 30 gallon is less than $100.
> > You may need a stand as well, though.
>
>
> Dude- you're effing awesome.
I, however, am not awesome, because I forgot to show the link:
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/variant.asp?catalog%5Fname=usplastic&category%5Fname=20726&product%5Fid=3863&variant%5Fid=8553
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 14:08:05
From: changey
Subject: Re: Plastic Drums for fermentaion
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The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty wrote:
> changey wrote:
> > The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty wrote:
> >
> >>changey wrote:
> >>
> >
> >
> > I was looking at the 30 gallon jobbies. I just can't afford one of the
> > plastic conicals that cost $500-$700.
> >
>
> Check US Plastics -- I think they're called "Mix and Fill" tanks. Not
> dirt cheap, but last I checked, I think a 30 gallon is less than $100.
> You may need a stand as well, though.
Dude- you're effing awesome.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 16:15:13
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: Plastic Drums for fermentaion
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changey wrote:
> The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty wrote:
>
>>changey wrote:
>>
>>>The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>changey wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I was looking at the 30 gallon jobbies. I just can't afford one of the
>>>plastic conicals that cost $500-$700.
>>>
>>
>>Check US Plastics -- I think they're called "Mix and Fill" tanks. Not
>>dirt cheap, but last I checked, I think a 30 gallon is less than $100.
>>You may need a stand as well, though.
>
>
>
> Dude- you're effing awesome.
>
Looks like they have a great deal on the 4900 gallon version too, if
you'd care to upsize...
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 14:04:23
From: neal
Subject: Re: Plastic Drums for fermentaion
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changey wrote:
> I know plastic is looked down upon for long secondaries, but would
> these make good primaries?
>
>http://www.bestcontainers.com/plastic-drums-plastic-open-head-drums-plastic-open-head-straight-sided-drums.html
Nice. They have a 14 gallon model as well. Get the faucet and you are
set.
These are pretty thick walls and the permeability of thickwalled high
density plastic is not something to worry about overly for a period of
time measured in months. Do worry about the seal/gasket, make sure
it's sealed.
Do some seaches in this group in HDPE and you can find varing opinions
on this ;-)
How in gods name are going to be able to brew enough wort to fill that?
I suppose you could do 4 consecutive 10 gallon batches and dump them
in the bucket over a period of a day... and 10 packets of dry yeast.
Wow, that would be something.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 13:14:23
From: changey
Subject: Re: Plastic Drums for fermentaion
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The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty wrote:
> changey wrote:
> > I know plastic is looked down upon for long secondaries, but would
> > these make good primaries?
> >
> > http://www.bestcontainers.com/plastic-drums-plastic-open-head-drums-plastic-open-head-straight-sided-drums.html
>
> I don't see why not. Are you really going to be doing 55 gallon batches?
> I'll bet you could ferment in a clean (unused) plastic garbage pail as
> long as it had no "plasticky" odor.
I was looking at the 30 gallon jobbies. I just can't afford one of the
plastic conicals that cost $500-$700.
>
> >
> > And why does this say "good for wine" but no mention of "good for
> > beer?"
> > http://www.midwestsupplies.com/products/ProdByID.aspx?ProdID=6016
> >
>
> Dunno -- shouldn't make a difference.
Thanks.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 15:21:36
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: Plastic Drums for fermentaion
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changey wrote:
> The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty wrote:
>
>>changey wrote:
>>
>>>I know plastic is looked down upon for long secondaries, but would
>>>these make good primaries?
>>>
>>>http://www.bestcontainers.com/plastic-drums-plastic-open-head-drums-plastic-open-head-straight-sided-drums.html
>>
>>I don't see why not. Are you really going to be doing 55 gallon batches?
>>I'll bet you could ferment in a clean (unused) plastic garbage pail as
>>long as it had no "plasticky" odor.
>
>
> I was looking at the 30 gallon jobbies. I just can't afford one of the
> plastic conicals that cost $500-$700.
>
Check US Plastics -- I think they're called "Mix and Fill" tanks. Not
dirt cheap, but last I checked, I think a 30 gallon is less than $100.
You may need a stand as well, though.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 15:09:30
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: Plastic Drums for fermentaion
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changey wrote:
> I know plastic is looked down upon for long secondaries, but would
> these make good primaries?
>
> http://www.bestcontainers.com/plastic-drums-plastic-open-head-drums-plastic-open-head-straight-sided-drums.html
I don't see why not. Are you really going to be doing 55 gallon batches?
I'll bet you could ferment in a clean (unused) plastic garbage pail as
long as it had no "plasticky" odor.
>
> And why does this say "good for wine" but no mention of "good for
> beer?"
> http://www.midwestsupplies.com/products/ProdByID.aspx?ProdID=6016
>
Dunno -- shouldn't make a difference.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 06:51:56
From: alebrewer
Subject: Re: Plastic Drums for fermentaion
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changey wrote:
<snip >
> I thought that all plastic, including HDPE, are oxygen permeable over
> time.
>
<sinp >
Yes, PET, HDPE, and others, are oxygen permeable. Three-peice
airlocks, for that matter, are oxygen permeable. One piece airlocks
are, but not as much since the oxygen has about three times the water
column to go through. And, no, having CO2 exiting the airlock does not
prevent oxygen from diffusing in.
Time and surface area are the keys. Even with the large surface area
of the fermenter, if you are talking days or weeks, plastic is fine.
Although water is highly oxygen-permeable (fish can breathe it), the
small surface area reduces the amount of oxygen that can get in.
Corks used as stoppers for wine bottles are oxygen permeable. If the
wine is to be stored for only a couple of years, it's no problem. For
wine that is aged for decades, they seal the cork with wax. After 4 or
5 decades, even with a wax seal, it will oxidize.
ab
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 05:00:36
From: changey
Subject: Re: Plastic Drums for fermentaion
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Dick Adams wrote:
> changey <patrickundertow@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I know plastic is looked down upon for long secondaries,
> > but would these make good primaries?
>
> It is not plastic per se that is "looked down upon". It's
> soda bottles which are made of "PEP" plastic and are made
> to keep carbonation in, but do not keep oxygen out.
I thought that all plastic, including HDPE, are oxygen permeable over
time.
>
> The plastic you want is "HDPE" which is food-grade plastic.
> Rubbermaid makes HDPE plastic "Brute" containers in varying
> sizes, I know one of the sizes is 20 gallons because I
> checked it out at Home Depot.
>
> My use for it will be a primary for Mead which is made by
> mixing ingredients in the primary. But for Beer, unless you
> have a half-keg (15.5 gallon or 58.67 liter) brewing system,
> what's the value of a 20 gallon (75.7 liter) plus primary?
That, too, will be on it's way to me very shortly.
>
> Dick
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 07:36:54
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Plastic Drums for fermentaion
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changey <patrickundertow@hotmail.com > wrote:
> I know plastic is looked down upon for long secondaries,
> but would these make good primaries?
It is not plastic per se that is "looked down upon". It's
soda bottles which are made of "PEP" plastic and are made
to keep carbonation in, but do not keep oxygen out.
The plastic you want is "HDPE" which is food-grade plastic.
Rubbermaid makes HDPE plastic "Brute" containers in varying
sizes, I know one of the sizes is 20 gallons because I
checked it out at Home Depot.
My use for it will be a primary for Mead which is made by
mixing ingredients in the primary. But for Beer, unless you
have a half-keg (15.5 gallon or 58.67 liter) brewing system,
what's the value of a 20 gallon (75.7 liter) plus primary?
Dick
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