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Date: 30 Oct 2006 01:29:18
From: Brian Foster
Subject: Partial grain: Full Boil Can I do this?
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I bought a kit from Midwest for a Fat Tire like beer.
http://www.brew-winemaking.com/ProductPDF/3517.pdf
I've done all extract brews to this point and this recipe (and ingredients)
are for a partial grain brew.
It looks like it's a partial grain "concentrated" brew,... and that is what
my question is about.
Can I put the grains in about 2 gal of water and steep @ 155' for 30 min,
THEN add remaining 3 gal of water and extract and hops and boil the whole
thing for an hour or will that somehow throw the magical beer chemistry off?
One thing I've learned from this group is that there is more than one way to
skin a cat :)
I'm going to have a delicious glass of Stout while you answer this one :)
Thanks
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 23:37:49
From: Rowan Malin
Subject: Re: Partial grain: Full Boil Can I do this?
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Brian Foster wrote:
> I bought a kit from Midwest for a Fat Tire like beer.
> http://www.brew-winemaking.com/ProductPDF/3517.pdf
>
> I've done all extract brews to this point and this recipe (and ingredients)
> are for a partial grain brew.
> It looks like it's a partial grain "concentrated" brew,... and that is what
> my question is about.
>
> Can I put the grains in about 2 gal of water and steep @ 155' for 30 min,
> THEN add remaining 3 gal of water and extract and hops and boil the whole
> thing for an hour or will that somehow throw the magical beer chemistry off?
>
> One thing I've learned from this group is that there is more than one way to
> skin a cat :)
>
> I'm going to have a delicious glass of Stout while you answer this one :)
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
Yes, you can, although there's really no need. Concentrated wort brews
work fine.
If you choose to do a full boil, there are a couple of things you may
want to look out for:
1) Hop utilization will be different (you may want to add less bittering
hops)
2) Boiling 5 gallons for an hour will result in less than 5 gallons of
wort. You should either start with more, or top up with cold water
later. Also, I'm assuming you have a good way of chilling the wort.
Otherwise, I can't see any problems.
Cheers,
Rowan
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 09:56:13
From: Mark R
Subject: Re: Partial grain: Full Boil Can I do this?
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"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com > wrote in message
news:Ozc1h.33339$ta3.28621@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> I bought a kit from Midwest for a Fat Tire like beer.
> http://www.brew-winemaking.com/ProductPDF/3517.pdf
>
> I've done all extract brews to this point and this recipe (and
ingredients)
> are for a partial grain brew.
> It looks like it's a partial grain "concentrated" brew,... and that is
what
> my question is about.
>
> Can I put the grains in about 2 gal of water and steep @ 155' for 30 min,
> THEN add remaining 3 gal of water and extract and hops and boil the whole
> thing for an hour or will that somehow throw the magical beer chemistry
off?
>
> One thing I've learned from this group is that there is more than one way
to
> skin a cat :)
>
> I'm going to have a delicious glass of Stout while you answer this one :)
>
I've got to ask because you didn't say it and this is your first batch with
grains. You are planning on removing the grain before starting the boil?
Other than that, if the pot is big enough, go for it. As pointed out with a
full boil you may get a little more hop utilization but that will depend on
how many gallons you were boiling in your previous batches.
Mark R
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 01:24:08
From: Brian Foster
Subject: Re: Partial grain: Full Boil Can I do this?
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"Mark R" <marknorayspam@noev1spam.net > wrote in message
news:12kc834kijuit4c@corp.supernews.com...
You are planning on removing the grain before starting the boil?
>
> Mark R
>
>
Correct, grains in water for 30min @ approx 155' then pull grain out ad
extract & hops and boil for 1 hour.
At least, that's my plan :)
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 20:01:01
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Partial grain: Full Boil Can I do this?
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On Mon, 30 2006 01:29:18 GMT, <brianfoster@houston.rr.com > wrote:
> I bought a kit from Midwest for a Fat Tire like beer.
> http://www.brew-winemaking.com/ProductPDF/3517.pdf
>
> I've done all extract brews to this point and this recipe (and ingredients)
> are for a partial grain brew.
> It looks like it's a partial grain "concentrated" brew,... and that is what
> my question is about.
>
> Can I put the grains in about 2 gal of water and steep @ 155' for 30 min,
> THEN add remaining 3 gal of water and extract and hops and boil the whole
> thing for an hour or will that somehow throw the magical beer chemistry off?
Sure, you can do it that way. I do full boils all the time for my extract
beers now, even when I make *blush* kit beers. The main difference is that
the utilization of your hops will change slightly. IE, with a full boil
you'll get a little bit more bitterness from the same amount of hops.
Personally I like hops anyway, so I don't worry about compensating for it.
If you are concerned with the bitterness changing, you'd want to cut back
slightly. Some of the recipe calculators out there should be able to help
you figure out how much of a difference it makes, but I think it's something
on the order of 10%. It'll depend on what amount you were boiling before.
I think you could enter the recipe into Promash with your typical boil
volume and note what the final IBUs are. Then tell Promash that you're
doing a full volume boil and watch how much the IBUs change. Next, monkey
around with the amount of hops slightly until the IBUs come back down to
what they were before and you're set.
> One thing I've learned from this group is that there is more than one way to
> skin a cat :)
Definitely true of homebrewing. There are usually lots of ways to do the
same (or similar) thing. Very few things are flat out wrong.
John.
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