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Date: 11 Dec 2006 11:36:42
From: Fung is brewing, and brewing is fung.
Subject: No carbonation, so here's what I did...
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I bottled a brown ale about 3&1/2 weeks ago and under carbonated. I
used 2/3 cup of DME for 4&1/2 gallons of beer.
After noticing very weak carbonation after 2 weeks, I gently inverted
the bottles and replaced them to their upright position. I just opened
one today and the carbonation was almost nonexistant. With a plastic
syringe, I pulled up about 3 ounces of beer and shot it out as with as
much force as I could. The beer suddenly had a thick, dense head
almost an inch high and was cascading like a Guinness. The head
thinned only slightly over the course of my drinking.
Now, if I wait a little longer, will I get natural carbonation?
Also, has anybody tried the syringe thing?
Here's the recipe:
6.6# Northwestern Gold Extract
1# 6-row pale malt
2# Flaked barley
1.75 oz. EKG - 60 min
.25 oz. EGK - 10 min
Safale-56 yeast
Filtered Water
Irish Moss - 15 min
1 oz. Gypsum in sparge and pre-boil
*It was supposed to be a Guinness clone but I used the first runoff
from the sparge which was milky white. Probobly a mistake. I'm still
learning.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 16:51:29
From: Ryan Case
Subject: Re: No carbonation, so here's what I did...
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Fung is brewing, and brewing is fung. wrote:
> I bottled a brown ale about 3&1/2 weeks ago and under carbonated. I
> used 2/3 cup of DME for 4&1/2 gallons of beer.
>
> After noticing very weak carbonation after 2 weeks, I gently inverted
> the bottles and replaced them to their upright position. I just opened
> one today and the carbonation was almost nonexistant. With a plastic
> syringe, I pulled up about 3 ounces of beer and shot it out as with as
> much force as I could. The beer suddenly had a thick, dense head
> almost an inch high and was cascading like a Guinness. The head
> thinned only slightly over the course of my drinking.
>
> Now, if I wait a little longer, will I get natural carbonation?
> Also, has anybody tried the syringe thing?
>
> Here's the recipe:
> 6.6# Northwestern Gold Extract
> 1# 6-row pale malt
> 2# Flaked barley
> 1.75 oz. EKG - 60 min
> .25 oz. EGK - 10 min
> Safale-56 yeast
> Filtered Water
>
> Irish Moss - 15 min
> 1 oz. Gypsum in sparge and pre-boil
>
> *It was supposed to be a Guinness clone but I used the first runoff
> from the sparge which was milky white. Probobly a mistake. I'm still
> learning.
>
I have a plethora of 2oz syringes. (My son is special needs). When I
make a starter I put the yeast in the bottom of my Erlymere (sp) flask
and then use one of the 2oz syringes to suck the wort out of the pan
after cooling and shoot it into the flask with the yeast 2oz at a time.
I can see air coming out of solution in the wort until the yeast goes
active. I usually use this method to give the yeasties a couple ounces
of wort every couple of days. I figure this way I am providing a goodly
amount of 02 during starter build up.
Ryan
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 13:22:10
From: Fung is brewing, and brewing is fung.
Subject: Re: No carbonation, so here's what I did...
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The OG was 1.056. The primary was 8 days and the secondary was 10
days.
John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> On 11 Dec 2006 12:08:39 -0800, <k03019454@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I kept the bottles at room temp. I only put a couple in the fridge
> > last night to sample today. I have used corn sugar and DME and found
> > that the corn sugar produces more of a soap/detergent like head.
>
> There must have been something else causing that other than the sugar.
>
> > Also,
> > I only had DME on hand. I wanted a slightly undercarbonated beer but
> > so far I'm getting a non-carbonated beer.
>
> You may just need to wait longer. I don't remember if you mentioned it in
> your other post, but was it a really high OG beer or did it have a really
> long secondary? Both can effect the available yeast for carbonation.
>
>
> John.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 21:51:16
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: No carbonation, so here's what I did...
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On 11 Dec 2006 13:22:10 -0800, <k03019454@gmail.com > wrote:
> The OG was 1.056. The primary was 8 days and the secondary was 10
> days.
Nothing out of the ordinary there, I'd just be patient a little longer
and see if it makes a difference. DME is known for taking longer.
John.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 12:08:39
From: Fung is brewing, and brewing is fung.
Subject: Re: No carbonation, so here's what I did...
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> On 11 Dec 2006 11:36:42 -0800, <k03019454@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I bottled a brown ale about 3&1/2 weeks ago and under carbonated. I
> > used 2/3 cup of DME for 4&1/2 gallons of beer.
>
> DME takes longer to develop carbonation and you have to use more of it
> compared to simple sugar. Is there a reason you're priming with DME?
> I don't see any advantage.
>
> What temp do you have the bottles at? It works best if they're kept at room
> temp until the carbonation develops. Some people make the mistake of
> putting the bottles in the fridge right away, which makes the carbonation
> take a long time.
>
>
> John.
I kept the bottles at room temp. I only put a couple in the fridge
last night to sample today. I have used corn sugar and DME and found
that the corn sugar produces more of a soap/detergent like head. Also,
I only had DME on hand. I wanted a slightly undercarbonated beer but
so far I'm getting a non-carbonated beer.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 21:11:15
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: No carbonation, so here's what I did...
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On 11 Dec 2006 12:08:39 -0800, <k03019454@gmail.com > wrote:
> I kept the bottles at room temp. I only put a couple in the fridge
> last night to sample today. I have used corn sugar and DME and found
> that the corn sugar produces more of a soap/detergent like head.
There must have been something else causing that other than the sugar.
> Also,
> I only had DME on hand. I wanted a slightly undercarbonated beer but
> so far I'm getting a non-carbonated beer.
You may just need to wait longer. I don't remember if you mentioned it in
your other post, but was it a really high OG beer or did it have a really
long secondary? Both can effect the available yeast for carbonation.
John.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 20:59:00
From: Derric
Subject: Re: No carbonation, so here's what I did...
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> ... I have used corn sugar and DME and found
> that the corn sugar produces more of a soap/detergent like head. Also,
> I only had DME on hand. ...
Just FYI for next time... You probably had table sugar on-hand, so just
use that. If you measure by weight, it's the same as corn sugar (I use
4 oz by weight for 5 gallons for "normal" carbonation). The results
will be the same too. In a side-by-side test I did, the table sugar
took about 1 - 2 days longer to reach acceptable carbonation, but you
couldn't tell the beers apart once they were carbonated. ((The delay
was probably due to the fact that the yeast have to break up the sucrose
molecule before they can ferment it)).
In my experience, those larger/soap-like bubbles will become smaller over
time, no matter what sugar is used for carbonation. Anyway, poor head
isn't caused by the sugar as much as by other components of the beer
(proteins, etc.). For example, many folks use a little wheat in each
batch to add some proteins and improve the beer's head.
Derric
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 14:48:46
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: No carbonation, so here's what I did...
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Fung is brewing, and brewing is fung. wrote:
> John.
> I kept the bottles at room temp. I only put a couple in the fridge
> last night to sample today. I have used corn sugar and DME and found
> that the corn sugar produces more of a soap/detergent like head. Also,
> I only had DME on hand. I wanted a slightly undercarbonated beer but
> so far I'm getting a non-carbonated beer.
>
I'm not sure what the problem is, but corn sugar wouldn't cause the
heading problems you describe.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 20:02:58
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: No carbonation, so here's what I did...
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On 11 Dec 2006 11:36:42 -0800, <k03019454@gmail.com > wrote:
> I bottled a brown ale about 3&1/2 weeks ago and under carbonated. I
> used 2/3 cup of DME for 4&1/2 gallons of beer.
DME takes longer to develop carbonation and you have to use more of it
compared to simple sugar. Is there a reason you're priming with DME?
I don't see any advantage.
What temp do you have the bottles at? It works best if they're kept at room
temp until the carbonation develops. Some people make the mistake of
putting the bottles in the fridge right away, which makes the carbonation
take a long time.
John.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 23:48:32
From: David M. Taylor
Subject: Re: No carbonation, so here's what I did...
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"John 'Shaggy' Kolesar" <spam@shagg.net > wrote in message
news:slrnenrem8.bek.spam@weizen.shagg.net...
> On 11 Dec 2006 11:36:42 -0800, <k03019454@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I bottled a brown ale about 3&1/2 weeks ago and under carbonated. I
>> used 2/3 cup of DME for 4&1/2 gallons of beer.
>
> DME takes longer to develop carbonation and you have to use more of it
> compared to simple sugar. Is there a reason you're priming with DME?
> I don't see any advantage.
>
> What temp do you have the bottles at? It works best if they're kept at
> room
> temp until the carbonation develops. Some people make the mistake of
> putting the bottles in the fridge right away, which makes the carbonation
> take a long time.
Shaggy has some good points. I believe the standard for DME is to use about
1.25 cups of DME for a 5 gallon batch. You used much much less than what
you should have. So, your beer might never carbonate. DME is not well
suited to priming anyway. Stick with 3/4 cup sugar per 5 gallons, not DME.
--
Dave
"Fill your cup with whatever bitter brew you're drinking." -- Brad Paisley
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 11:52:51
From: Fung is brewing, and brewing is fung.
Subject: Re: No carbonation, so here's what I did...
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Thanks. That's what I'm looking for. I know, from searching this
message board, that people have tried the syringe thing so I guess I
should have aimed my question at the degree of success.
The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty wrote:
> Fung is brewing, and brewing is fung. wrote:
> > I bottled a brown ale about 3&1/2 weeks ago and under carbonated. I
> > used 2/3 cup of DME for 4&1/2 gallons of beer.
> >
> > After noticing very weak carbonation after 2 weeks, I gently inverted
> > the bottles and replaced them to their upright position. I just opened
> > one today and the carbonation was almost nonexistant. With a plastic
> > syringe, I pulled up about 3 ounces of beer and shot it out as with as
> > much force as I could. The beer suddenly had a thick, dense head
> > almost an inch high and was cascading like a Guinness. The head
> > thinned only slightly over the course of my drinking.
> >
> > Now, if I wait a little longer, will I get natural carbonation?
> > Also, has anybody tried the syringe thing?
>
> There was an article or mail in Zymurgy many years back -- "Pocket Beer
> Engine" that described this very thing. I use it all the time -- works
> great for Real-Ale type beers where you want to simulate the effects of
> a beer engine on naturally low-carbonated beers.
>
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 20:21:17
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: No carbonation, so here's what I did...
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On 11 Dec 2006 11:52:51 -0800, <k03019454@gmail.com > wrote:
> Thanks. That's what I'm looking for. I know, from searching this
> message board, that people have tried the syringe thing so I guess I
> should have aimed my question at the degree of success.
It puts a nice creamy head on a beer. For that purpose it works great. It
won't really increase carbonation though, if that's what you're looking for
given the other half of your post.
John.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 13:48:17
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: No carbonation, so here's what I did...
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Fung is brewing, and brewing is fung. wrote:
> I bottled a brown ale about 3&1/2 weeks ago and under carbonated. I
> used 2/3 cup of DME for 4&1/2 gallons of beer.
>
> After noticing very weak carbonation after 2 weeks, I gently inverted
> the bottles and replaced them to their upright position. I just opened
> one today and the carbonation was almost nonexistant. With a plastic
> syringe, I pulled up about 3 ounces of beer and shot it out as with as
> much force as I could. The beer suddenly had a thick, dense head
> almost an inch high and was cascading like a Guinness. The head
> thinned only slightly over the course of my drinking.
>
> Now, if I wait a little longer, will I get natural carbonation?
> Also, has anybody tried the syringe thing?
There was an article or mail in Zymurgy many years back -- "Pocket Beer
Engine" that described this very thing. I use it all the time -- works
great for Real-Ale type beers where you want to simulate the effects of
a beer engine on naturally low-carbonated beers.
--
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Teleoperate a roving mobile robot from the web:
http://www.swampgas.com/robotics/rover.html
Coauthor with Dennis Clark of "Building Robot Drive Trains".
Buy several copies today!
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 20:05:41
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: No carbonation, so here's what I did...
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On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:48:17 -0600, <mikey666@666swampgas.666com > wrote:
>> Also, has anybody tried the syringe thing?
>
> There was an article or mail in Zymurgy many years back -- "Pocket Beer
> Engine" that described this very thing. I use it all the time -- works
> great for Real-Ale type beers where you want to simulate the effects of
> a beer engine on naturally low-carbonated beers.
Also works well for replicating the whole "nitro pour" thing without
having to get a whole beer gas setup, for people that are into that.
John.
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