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Date: 23 Jun 2006 12:26:37
From: John LaBella
Subject: Newbie question # 2 (the start of a long series)
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OK As I mentioned this is my first batch of Home brewed beer.
We went the plastic bottle root - didn't have a capper (yet?).
We bought 4 doz plastic bottles and seperately caps. THe store inferred
that you can re use the bottles and caps?
Sorry just trying to see what I have to plan for when I try my next
batch.
As an aside in the retail world noticed how you can't buy Grolisch (I
was going to buy some for the bottles) at least in this area that is.
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Date: 23 Jun 2006 13:25:33
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Newbie question # 2 (the start of a long series)
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On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:26:37 GMT, <blank@dev.com > wrote:
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> OK As I mentioned this is my first batch of Home brewed beer.
> We went the plastic bottle root - didn't have a capper (yet?).
Plastic bottles should be fine as long as you don't intend on long
term storage. For the majority of beginning brewers, that's not a
problem. ;)
> We bought 4 doz plastic bottles and seperately caps. THe store inferred
> that you can re use the bottles and caps?
I don't know exactly what bottles you got, but in general you should be able
to reuse them without any problems.
John.
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Date: 24 Jun 2006 07:13:19
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Newbie question # 2 (the start of a long series)
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John LaBella <blank@dev.com > wrote:
> OK As I mentioned this is my first batch of Home brewed beer.
> We went the plastic bottle root - didn't have a capper (yet?).
> We bought 4 doz plastic bottles and seperately caps. The
> store inferred that you can reuse the bottles and caps? ....
Short term, yes - long term, no. If it's PET plastic, it's
meant to keep carbonation in but has no oxygen barrier.
> As an aside in the retail world noticed how you can't buy
> Grolisch (I was going to buy some for the bottles) at least
> in this area that is.
Where is "this area"?
Dick
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Date: 24 Jun 2006 20:16:54
From: Don
Subject: Re: Newbie question # 2 (the start of a long series)
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On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:13:19 -0000, rdadams@smart.net (Dick Adams)
wrote:
>John LaBella <blank@dev.com> wrote:
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>> OK As I mentioned this is my first batch of Home brewed beer.
>> We went the plastic bottle root - didn't have a capper (yet?).
>> We bought 4 doz plastic bottles and seperately caps. The
>> store inferred that you can reuse the bottles and caps? ....
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>Short term, yes - long term, no. If it's PET plastic, it's
>meant to keep carbonation in but has no oxygen barrier.
Actually, the nomenclature PET (polyethylene terephthalate) is about
as generic as the term BEER. True, bottles (sode bottles) made with a
single layer of plain polyethylene terephthalate do have gas
permeability problems. That's the reason soda will go flat within a
couple of weeks (and also the reason the soda industry continues to
specify plain PET ... when the soda goes flat, many people will pour
it out and buy new drinks.)
"Plastic" beer bottles (as well as other food containers) are much
more complicated and hi-tech beasties. They typically consist of
multiple layers of different materials which address the gas
permeability problem. The PET designation is often used to signify
the inner, outer and possibly middle layers.
A good glimpse of this technology can be found at:
http://www.packagingdigest.com/articles/200212/32.php
I don't know whether the PET beer bottles being sold through home brew
shops are the multi-layer variety. However, because they have only
recently appeared, I would guess they are.
In the above reference, Heineken mentions a shelf life of six months
... a total non-issue for the beginning brewer. As I recall, I had
completed probably 16 brews before I discovered how "conditioned"
(i.e. longer than 4 weeks post brew) homebrew tasted.
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>> As an aside in the retail world noticed how you can't buy
>> Grolisch (I was going to buy some for the bottles) at least
>> in this area that is.
I would suggest looking in the yellow pages for shops selling wines,
beer and such. Convenient markets and generic supermarkets usually do
not carry Grolisch. In our area (NE Tenn), Krogers supermarket, the
"Overbrook Market" across the state line in Weber City, VA and the
"Libation Station" in Boone's Creek, TN (to name some) stock the
Grolisch swing-tops (as well as the ever delightful Highland Brewery's
Kashmir IPA ... which I am presently enjoying).
Don
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>Where is "this area"?
>
>Dick
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 05:49:25
From: QD Steve
Subject: Re: Newbie question # 2 (the start of a long series)
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"Dick Adams" <rdadams@smart.net > wrote in message
news:129ppgf5sikji1f@corp.supernews.com...
> John LaBella <blank@dev.com> wrote:
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>> OK As I mentioned this is my first batch of Home brewed beer.
>> We went the plastic bottle root - didn't have a capper (yet?).
>> We bought 4 doz plastic bottles and seperately caps. The
>> store inferred that you can reuse the bottles and caps? ....
>
> Short term, yes - long term, no. If it's PET plastic, it's
> meant to keep carbonation in but has no oxygen barrier.
>
>> As an aside in the retail world noticed how you can't buy
>> Grolisch (I was going to buy some for the bottles) at least
>> in this area that is.
>
> Where is "this area"?
>
> Dick
Brown plastic PET bottles marketed by Coopers have an additional nylon
layer to address this problem, according to their website. I don't know
whether these are available outside Australia though.
Steve W (in Aus)
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Date: 23 Jun 2006 23:29:31
From: Lefty Skywalker
Subject: Re: Newbie question # 2 (the start of a long series)
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John LaBella wrote:
> As an aside in the retail world noticed how you can't buy Grolisch (I
> was going to buy some for the bottles) at least in this area that is.
Look for single bottles on the bottom shelf at the bottle shop or at
Whole Paycheck Market... not likely to show up at the supermarket.
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