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Date: 08 Aug 2006 08:36:42
From: John Krehbiel
Subject: Multiple kegs on one CO2 bottle
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Do I need a multiple regulator to dispense two or three corny kegs from
the same CO2 bottle? Is it possible to split the line 3 ways as long as
I don't want different pressures in the kegs?
I almost always brew English style ales, Mild, Brown, ESB, Stout, etc.
so the keg pressure and carbonation aren't very high.
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Date: 08 Aug 2006 17:04:35
From: Scott Alfter
Subject: Re: Multiple kegs on one CO2 bottle
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John Krehbiel <j_krehbiel@hotmail.com > wrote:
>Do I need a multiple regulator to dispense two or three corny kegs from
>the same CO2 bottle? Is it possible to split the line 3 ways as long as
>I don't want different pressures in the kegs?
If the beers you're serving all need the same pressure (or close to it),
there's no reason why you couldn't split the line. Mine is currently split
to two kegs with a tee from the nearest auto-parts store.
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Date: 08 Aug 2006 17:03:39
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Multiple kegs on one CO2 bottle
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On 8 Aug 2006 08:36:42 -0700, <j_krehbiel@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Do I need a multiple regulator to dispense two or three corny kegs from
> the same CO2 bottle? Is it possible to split the line 3 ways as long as
> I don't want different pressures in the kegs?
>
> I almost always brew English style ales, Mild, Brown, ESB, Stout, etc.
> so the keg pressure and carbonation aren't very high.
As long as the pressures are the same, all you need to do is split the
line. Technically, just putting a "T" in the line would work. However,
I'd recommend getting a manifold. It's basically a fancy T that lets
you turn on/off each of the output lines, as well as having check valves
built in so that you can't contaminate across kegs. With just a basic
T, the headspace of each keg is actually connected. You can end up
with aroma migrating between kegs, but more importantly if you tap a keg
which is overcarbonated it can blow beer back up the gas line and into your
regulator and/or other kegs. IMO, going with a manifold is more expensive,
but worth it.
John.
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Date: 08 Aug 2006 12:04:37
From: Jim
Subject: Re: Multiple kegs on one CO2 bottle
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John Krehbiel wrote on 8/8/2006 11:36 AM:
> Do I need a multiple regulator to dispense two or three corny kegs from
> the same CO2 bottle? Is it possible to split the line 3 ways as long as
> I don't want different pressures in the kegs?
>
> I almost always brew English style ales, Mild, Brown, ESB, Stout, etc.
> so the keg pressure and carbonation aren't very high.
>
Sure you can. Just use something like this:
http://www.austinhomebrew.com/product_info.php?cPath=178_40_130&products_id=10206
Jim
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Date: 08 Aug 2006 14:03:30
From: Larry Bristol
Subject: Re: Multiple kegs on one CO2 bottle
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John Krehbiel wrote:
> Do I need a multiple regulator to dispense two or three corny kegs from
> the same CO2 bottle? Is it possible to split the line 3 ways as long as
> I don't want different pressures in the kegs?
As others have already answered, all you have to do to connect multiple kegs
is to split the line. I definitely concur with the recommendation of a
manifold over a simple T splitter.
There's another side to the question. If you should ever want to run
multiple pressures in your system, you add in-line regulator to one of your
gas lines (which can, of course, feed yet another manifold so you can have
multiple lines at each of the pressures). You set the main regulator to
the higher of the two pressures, and then step down to the lower pressure
with the in-line regulator. If at any time you want use the same presssure
on *all* lines, simply adjust the main regulator to that value, then ensure
that the in-line regulator is set to the same (or higher) pressure.
Obviously, you can cascade this arrangement to get as many different
pressures as you could ever want.
One other neat little gadget for pressure control is called a respirator.
Essentially, a respirator is a non-adjustable regulator that opens when the
output side drops below one atmosphere. This adds no pressure at all to
the keg, but allows for a controlled supply of CO2 into that keg. That's
very useful, for example, when you want to use a beer engine to pump beer
from that keg. The pump will create a partial vacuum in the keg, allowing
CO2 to flow through the respirator until the vacuum is relieved. In that
way, air and oxygen do not get in to stale the beer.
Can you say, "Cask conditioned ale at home that does not spoil in a day or
two?" I think you can! Happy! Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy! Joy!
--
Larry Bristol --- The Double Luck
http://www.doubleluck.com
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Date: 08 Aug 2006 19:07:10
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Multiple kegs on one CO2 bottle
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On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:03:30 -0500, <larry.remove@remove.doubleluck.com > wrote:
> One other neat little gadget for pressure control is called a respirator.
> Essentially, a respirator is a non-adjustable regulator that opens when the
> output side drops below one atmosphere. This adds no pressure at all to
> the keg, but allows for a controlled supply of CO2 into that keg. That's
> very useful, for example, when you want to use a beer engine to pump beer
> from that keg. The pump will create a partial vacuum in the keg, allowing
> CO2 to flow through the respirator until the vacuum is relieved. In that
> way, air and oxygen do not get in to stale the beer.
Do you have any links for where you can find one? Is this the same thing
as a "cask breather"? It sounds similar.
John.
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Date: 09 Aug 2006 08:56:38
From: MDixon
Subject: Re: Multiple kegs on one CO2 bottle
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar <spam@shagg.net > wrote in message
news:slrnedhobb.omo.spam@weizen.shagg.net...
> Do you have any links for where you can find one? Is this the same thing
> as a "cask breather"? It sounds similar.
http://www.ukbrewing.com/
Cheers,
Mike
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Date: 09 Aug 2006 14:50:51
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Multiple kegs on one CO2 bottle
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:56:38 -0400, <me@privacy.net > wrote:
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> John 'Shaggy' Kolesar <spam@shagg.net> wrote in message
> news:slrnedhobb.omo.spam@weizen.shagg.net...
>> Do you have any links for where you can find one? Is this the same thing
>> as a "cask breather"? It sounds similar.
>
> http://www.ukbrewing.com/
Thanks Mike. I've seen cask breathers before, they're just a bit pricey. I
was hoping that Larry knew of something different and that maybe it was
cheaper. It sounds like it was just a terminology thing, and not actually a
different product.
John.
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Date: 09 Aug 2006 07:41:09
From: Larry Bristol
Subject: Re: Multiple kegs on one CO2 bottle
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> Do you have any links for where you can find one?
No, unfortunately. Shortly after receiving a beer engine as a gift (nice
gift!), I was chatting about it in my LHBS, wondering if I could adjust the
pressure on an in-line regulator low enough to feed a cask-conditioned ale.
The proprietor suggested I get an aspirator. I asked where, and he said he
had a used one someplace and would bring it to the shop if I wanted it.
Duh!
> Is this the same thing as a "cask breather"? It sounds similar.
I've never heard the term "cask breather" before today, but surely sounds
like it could be the same thing. [After a quick google] YES! It *must*
be the same thing:
http://www.cambridge-camra.org.uk/ale/288/basics.html
Here is a reference to a manufacturer. This one looks just like mine:
http://www.scot-bev.com/products/cellarcask.html
Maybe you could contact them and find a US distributer (or order from one of
their European distributors).
--
Larry Bristol --- The Double Luck
http://www.doubleluck.com
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Date: 09 Aug 2006 14:44:48
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Multiple kegs on one CO2 bottle
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On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 07:41:09 -0500, <larry.remove@remove.doubleluck.com > wrote:
>> Is this the same thing as a "cask breather"? It sounds similar.
>
> I've never heard the term "cask breather" before today, but surely sounds
> like it could be the same thing. [After a quick google] YES! It *must*
> be the same thing:
Odd, I'd never heard it called a respirator before. ;)
> Here is a reference to a manufacturer. This one looks just like mine:
> http://www.scot-bev.com/products/cellarcask.html
Yeah, I've looked into it before "cask breathers" are relatively expensive
though. I was hoping that maybe there was something different called a
"respirator" which basically did a similar function but was cheaper. If
they're just terms for the same thing, I've already looked into them.
Thanks though.
John.
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Date: 09 Aug 2006 11:10:27
From: Larry Bristol
Subject: Re: Multiple kegs on one CO2 bottle
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> Yeah, I've looked into it before "cask breathers" are relatively expensive
> though. I was hoping that maybe there was something different called a
> "respirator" which basically did a similar function but was cheaper. If
> they're just terms for the same thing, I've already looked into them.
Here's hoping you find a used one nobody wants like I did.
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Larry Bristol --- The Double Luck
http://www.doubleluck.com
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