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Date: 07 Sep 2006 16:03:37
From: Lefty Skywalker
Subject: Midwest Fuggles IPA, lost instructions
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I bought this:
http://www.midwestsupplies.com/products/ProdByID.aspx?ProdID=3550
I've misplaced the instruction sheet. The kit is like the last three I
did for grains and yeast, so no worries there, but I'm at a loss re: hop
additions. I have three packs of Fuggles and no idea when to toss them in.
I would think it's at start of boil, 10 min from end, and 3 min from
end. Close enough?
I'm smacking the yeast tonight and aiming for a Sunday brew.
--
Daniel O. Miller
"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the
fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true
science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer marvel, is as good
as dead, and his eyes are dimmed." - Albert Einstein
WWYD? (-o-) <* > Genesis 49:17
Real email address: darth dot lefty at golf mike able india lima.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 20:20:59
From: Gerard Eberlein
Subject: Re: Midwest Fuggles IPA, lost instructions
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"Lefty Skywalker" <dmille15@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:4500a4c5$0$97266$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
> I bought this:
> http://www.midwestsupplies.com/products/ProdByID.aspx?ProdID=3550
>
> I've misplaced the instruction sheet. The kit is like the last three I
> did for grains and yeast, so no worries there, but I'm at a loss re: hop
> additions. I have three packs of Fuggles and no idea when to toss them
in.
>
> I would think it's at start of boil, 10 min from end, and 3 min from
> end. Close enough?
>
> I'm smacking the yeast tonight and aiming for a Sunday brew.
>
> --
> Daniel O. Miller
>
> "The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the
> fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true
> science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer marvel, is as good
> as dead, and his eyes are dimmed." - Albert Einstein
>
> WWYD? (-o-) <*> Genesis 49:17
>
> Real email address: darth dot lefty at golf mike able india lima.
sounds right, although I tend to add my flavouring hops at between 20 and
15, just my preference and I do aroma at flameout, same, preference.
Gerard
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 21:28:10
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Midwest Fuggles IPA, lost instructions
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Gerard Eberlein wrote:
> "Lefty Skywalker" <dmille15@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4500a4c5$0$97266$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>
>>I bought this:
>>http://www.midwestsupplies.com/products/ProdByID.aspx?ProdID=3550
>>
>>I've misplaced the instruction sheet. The kit is like the last three I
>>did for grains and yeast, so no worries there, but I'm at a loss re: hop
>>additions. I have three packs of Fuggles and no idea when to toss them
>
> in.
>
>>I would think it's at start of boil, 10 min from end, and 3 min from
>>end. Close enough?
>>
>>I'm smacking the yeast tonight and aiming for a Sunday brew.
>>
>>--
>>Daniel O. Miller
>>
>>"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the
>>fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true
>>science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer marvel, is as good
>>as dead, and his eyes are dimmed." - Albert Einstein
>>
>>WWYD? (-o-) <*> Genesis 49:17
>>
>>Real email address: darth dot lefty at golf mike able india lima.
>
>
> sounds right, although I tend to add my flavouring hops at between 20 and
> 15, just my preference and I do aroma at flameout, same, preference.
Hmmm, that makes me think. I tend to do bittering for 60, flavor at 15, and
aroma at 5. Does that sound right?
--
Dan
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 20:44:52
From: Mark R
Subject: Re: Midwest Fuggles IPA, lost instructions
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"Dan Logcher" <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net > wrote in message news:4500c721
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> Hmmm, that makes me think. I tend to do bittering for 60, flavor at 15,
and
> aroma at 5. Does that sound right?
60/15/5 should be fine. Like Gerard I do the aroma at flame out. I figure it
takes 5 min to hook up the hoses and get the water flowing to my chiller and
several more minutes before the wort drops below 200. It seems to work for
me.
Mark R
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 14:54:50
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Midwest Fuggles IPA, lost instructions
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On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:28:10 -0400, <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net > wrote:
> Hmmm, that makes me think. I tend to do bittering for 60, flavor at 15, and
> aroma at 5. Does that sound right?
Sounds fine. There's a lot of room for interpretation there. 60/15/5 works,
but so does 60/10/3, or 60/20/5... etc. Each will give slightly different
results, but it's not a matter of "right" or "wrong".
Personally, for my house IPA I like to do FWH/60/dry_hop.
John.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 09:24:55
From: Lefty Skywalker
Subject: Re: Midwest Fuggles IPA, lost instructions
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:28:10 -0400, <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Hmmm, that makes me think. I tend to do bittering for 60, flavor at 15, and
>> aroma at 5. Does that sound right?
>
> Sounds fine. There's a lot of room for interpretation there. 60/15/5 works,
> but so does 60/10/3, or 60/20/5... etc. Each will give slightly different
> results, but it's not a matter of "right" or "wrong".
>
> Personally, for my house IPA I like to do FWH/60/dry_hop.
What is "FWH"?
Midwest just came through for me with an electronic copy of the sheet.
It's 60/30/2. But reading all the above it's clear it's not that
critical. I think I might try 60/15/0 just to see if I can get more
character and less raw bitterness.
--
Daniel O. Miller
"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the
fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true
science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer marvel, is as good
as dead, and his eyes are dimmed." - Albert Einstein
WWYD? (-o-) <* > Genesis 49:17
Real email address: darth dot lefty at golf mike able india lima.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 17:59:16
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Midwest Fuggles IPA, lost instructions
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On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:24:55 -0700, <dmille15@hotmail.com > wrote:
> John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:28:10 -0400, <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Hmmm, that makes me think. I tend to do bittering for 60, flavor at 15, and
>>> aroma at 5. Does that sound right?
>>
>> Sounds fine. There's a lot of room for interpretation there. 60/15/5 works,
>> but so does 60/10/3, or 60/20/5... etc. Each will give slightly different
>> results, but it's not a matter of "right" or "wrong".
>>
>> Personally, for my house IPA I like to do FWH/60/dry_hop.
>
> What is "FWH"?
First Wort Hopping. It's a technique for flavor hops where you actually
add them before the boil.
> Midwest just came through for me with an electronic copy of the sheet.
> It's 60/30/2. But reading all the above it's clear it's not that
> critical. I think I might try 60/15/0 just to see if I can get more
> character and less raw bitterness.
You will probably get more flavor contributions as well as less bitterness
with 15 instead of 30 for your flavor addition.
John.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 14:22:04
From: Gerard Eberlein
Subject: Re: Midwest Fuggles IPA, lost instructions
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"John 'Shaggy' Kolesar" <spam@shagg.net > wrote in message
news:slrneg3c17.srl.spam@weizen.shagg.net...
> On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:24:55 -0700, <dmille15@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> >> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:28:10 -0400, <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net>
wrote:
> >>> Hmmm, that makes me think. I tend to do bittering for 60, flavor at
15, and
> >>> aroma at 5. Does that sound right?
> >>
> >> Sounds fine. There's a lot of room for interpretation there. 60/15/5
works,
> >> but so does 60/10/3, or 60/20/5... etc. Each will give slightly
different
> >> results, but it's not a matter of "right" or "wrong".
> >>
> >> Personally, for my house IPA I like to do FWH/60/dry_hop.
> >
> > What is "FWH"?
>
> First Wort Hopping. It's a technique for flavor hops where you actually
> add them before the boil.
>
> > Midwest just came through for me with an electronic copy of the sheet.
> > It's 60/30/2. But reading all the above it's clear it's not that
> > critical. I think I might try 60/15/0 just to see if I can get more
> > character and less raw bitterness.
>
> You will probably get more flavor contributions as well as less bitterness
> with 15 instead of 30 for your flavor addition.
>
>
> John.
Am I correct in my understanding that you can only do FWH if you do all
grain? I have heard of this technique but not for extract/specialty recipes.
Gerard
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 18:30:04
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Midwest Fuggles IPA, lost instructions
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On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:22:04 -0400, <dormouse@charter.net > wrote:
> Am I correct in my understanding that you can only do FWH if you do all
> grain? I have heard of this technique but not for extract/specialty recipes.
You can do it with either method, it's just more convenient with all grain
since the wort is sitting around for awhile before the boil anyway. If
you wanted to do it with extract you could bring the water up to a boil,
turn off the heat and stir in your LME and/or DME (up to this point, it's
just like any other extract beer). Now instead of continuing with the boil
you add your FWH hops and let them steep for awhile, say 20 - 30 minutes.
Then you turn the heat back on and bring the wort up to a boil and continue
with the rest of your normal extract procedure. You can do it, but you'll
be adding 30+ minutes to your total brewing time.
John.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 12:37:30
From: Lefty Skywalker
Subject: Re: Midwest Fuggles IPA, lost instructions
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:22:04 -0400, <dormouse@charter.net> wrote:
>> Am I correct in my understanding that you can only do FWH if you do all
>> grain? I have heard of this technique but not for extract/specialty recipes.
>
> You can do it with either method, it's just more convenient with all grain
> since the wort is sitting around for awhile before the boil anyway. If
> you wanted to do it with extract you could bring the water up to a boil,
> turn off the heat and stir in your LME and/or DME (up to this point, it's
> just like any other extract beer). Now instead of continuing with the boil
> you add your FWH hops and let them steep for awhile, say 20 - 30 minutes.
> Then you turn the heat back on and bring the wort up to a boil and continue
> with the rest of your normal extract procedure. You can do it, but you'll
> be adding 30+ minutes to your total brewing time.
And if I'm already steeping some specialty grains? Do the FWH hops go
in at the same time? And is it ok to do this with a partial boil?
And can you help me understand why this retains flavor? It's still
going to be boiling as long as the 60-minute hops.
--
Daniel O. Miller
"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the
fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true
science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer marvel, is as good
as dead, and his eyes are dimmed." - Albert Einstein
WWYD? (-o-) <* > Genesis 49:17
Real email address: darth dot lefty at golf mike able india lima.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 22:31:36
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Midwest Fuggles IPA, lost instructions
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On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:37:30 -0700, <dmille15@hotmail.com > wrote:
> And if I'm already steeping some specialty grains? Do the FWH hops go
> in at the same time?
I like to steep my grains loose, and the FWH should stay in the beer
during the boil. So, if I added them with my steeping grains, I'd have
to figure out a way to strain out the grains but leave in the hops. For me,
it's easier to FWH seperately from my steeping grains.
However, if you put your steeping grains in a grain bag and remove them that
way, it would probably work fine.
> And is it ok to do this with a partial boil?
Sure, should work fine.
> And can you help me understand why this retains flavor? It's still
> going to be boiling as long as the 60-minute hops.
The problem with boiling your flavor hops for a long time under normal
circumstances, is that the boil will drive off the flavor components
before they have a chance to bond with the wort. When you FWH, the flavor
components have time to bond before the wort is brought to a boil. Once
that happens, boiling will not drive it off anymore.
Personally, I find that FWHing gives a more intense flavor contribution than
a typical 20 or 15 minute flavor addition.
John.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 19:12:16
From: Gerard Eberlein
Subject: Re: Midwest Fuggles IPA, lost instructions
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"John 'Shaggy' Kolesar" <spam@shagg.net > wrote in message
news:slrneg3rvs.jc3.spam@weizen.shagg.net...
> On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:37:30 -0700, <dmille15@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > And if I'm already steeping some specialty grains? Do the FWH hops go
> > in at the same time?
>
> I like to steep my grains loose, and the FWH should stay in the beer
> during the boil. So, if I added them with my steeping grains, I'd have
> to figure out a way to strain out the grains but leave in the hops. For
me,
> it's easier to FWH seperately from my steeping grains.
>
> However, if you put your steeping grains in a grain bag and remove them
that
> way, it would probably work fine.
>
> > And is it ok to do this with a partial boil?
>
> Sure, should work fine.
>
> > And can you help me understand why this retains flavor? It's still
> > going to be boiling as long as the 60-minute hops.
>
> The problem with boiling your flavor hops for a long time under normal
> circumstances, is that the boil will drive off the flavor components
> before they have a chance to bond with the wort. When you FWH, the flavor
> components have time to bond before the wort is brought to a boil. Once
> that happens, boiling will not drive it off anymore.
>
> Personally, I find that FWHing gives a more intense flavor contribution
than
> a typical 20 or 15 minute flavor addition.
>
>
> John.
1 last question(s)...if I'm doing extract and add the hops FWH style should
I only bring the water and DME to 150-160ish F as if I was mashing or should
I bring to a boil first before cutting off the flame? and should I only use
the flavouring hops from the recipe in the FWH, or could/should I use
additional hops and if so how many Oz's more for a 5 gallon batch? Thanx in
advance.
Gerard
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 19:00:56
From: Gerard Eberlein
Subject: Re: Midwest Fuggles IPA, lost instructions
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"John 'Shaggy' Kolesar" <spam@shagg.net > wrote in message
news:slrneg3rvs.jc3.spam@weizen.shagg.net...
> On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:37:30 -0700, <dmille15@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > And if I'm already steeping some specialty grains? Do the FWH hops go
> > in at the same time?
>
> I like to steep my grains loose, and the FWH should stay in the beer
> during the boil. So, if I added them with my steeping grains, I'd have
> to figure out a way to strain out the grains but leave in the hops. For
me,
> it's easier to FWH seperately from my steeping grains.
>
> However, if you put your steeping grains in a grain bag and remove them
that
> way, it would probably work fine.
>
> > And is it ok to do this with a partial boil?
>
> Sure, should work fine.
>
> > And can you help me understand why this retains flavor? It's still
> > going to be boiling as long as the 60-minute hops.
>
> The problem with boiling your flavor hops for a long time under normal
> circumstances, is that the boil will drive off the flavor components
> before they have a chance to bond with the wort. When you FWH, the flavor
> components have time to bond before the wort is brought to a boil. Once
> that happens, boiling will not drive it off anymore.
>
> Personally, I find that FWHing gives a more intense flavor contribution
than
> a typical 20 or 15 minute flavor addition.
>
>
> John.
I'm gonna try that on my next arrogant or IPA...I'm finding even with late
flameout additions and lots of 15 min additions and dry hopping I'm not
getting the intense hop flavours and aromas I want. The extra 30 mins isn't
going to kill me :) thanx for the info.
Gerard
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 12:39:54
From: Denny Conn
Subject: Re: Midwest Fuggles IPA, lost instructions
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Lefty Skywalker wrote:
> And if I'm already steeping some specialty grains? Do the FWH hops go
> in at the same time? And is it ok to do this with a partial boil?
I'd say so...
> And can you help me understand why this retains flavor? It's still
> going to be boiling as long as the 60-minute hops.
That's a tough one....in the latest edition (3rd) of How To Brew, John
has some ideas about it. All I can tell ya is that it works....
---------- >Denny
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Life begins at 60...1.060, that is.
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