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Date: 07 Jul 2006 02:58:34
From: Adam Preble
Subject: Malting corn redux
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There are some good threads preserved on this on Google Groups, but I
wanted to check in on efforts. Particularly, I was hoping the process
has been refined. I want to try some corn malt in a North American
lager. I can't find corn malt, so I've turned to making it myself. I
wouldn't normally be interested in malting otherwise.
A link used to get thrown around for making chicha that had a note about
malting corn. That link is dead now, but I found this:
http://xb-70.com/beer/chicha/ch_malti.htm
The process looks very involved and dissuades me from malting it. This
is more reassuring:
http://byo.com/feature/284.html
This makes it sound easier, but it warns not to exceed 20% of the grist
with this. I had read contradictory posts--once malted, the corn can
even surpass 40% of the grist; that's a general maximum I see in places
for using flaked maize as an adjunct.
I was hoping to get something like 10 pounds of dried corn kernels for
my first effort. Does anybody have tips for finding that in the Austin,
TX area? Should I try a pet food store?
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Date: 06 Jul 2006 20:38:04
From: Droopy
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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You want to know how the old timey moonshiners malted their corn?
Buried it, grain sack and all under a pile of horse manure. It was
warm and wet and the corn sprouted in no time.
Adam Preble wrote:
> There are some good threads preserved on this on Google Groups, but I
> wanted to check in on efforts. Particularly, I was hoping the process
> has been refined. I want to try some corn malt in a North American
> lager. I can't find corn malt, so I've turned to making it myself. I
> wouldn't normally be interested in malting otherwise.
>
> A link used to get thrown around for making chicha that had a note about
> malting corn. That link is dead now, but I found this:
>
> http://xb-70.com/beer/chicha/ch_malti.htm
>
> The process looks very involved and dissuades me from malting it. This
> is more reassuring:
>
> http://byo.com/feature/284.html
>
> This makes it sound easier, but it warns not to exceed 20% of the grist
> with this. I had read contradictory posts--once malted, the corn can
> even surpass 40% of the grist; that's a general maximum I see in places
> for using flaked maize as an adjunct.
>
> I was hoping to get something like 10 pounds of dried corn kernels for
> my first effort. Does anybody have tips for finding that in the Austin,
> TX area? Should I try a pet food store?
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Date: 07 Jul 2006 06:37:56
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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Droopy <Droopy68516@yahoo.com > wrote:
> You want to know how the old timey moonshiners malted their corn?
>
> Buried it, grain sack and all under a pile of horse manure. It was
> warm and wet and the corn sprouted in no time.
No wonder moonshine tastes like shit.
Dick
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Date: 07 Jul 2006 05:20:27
From: Artarius
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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wet sawdust
"Droopy" <Droopy68516@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1152243484.130894.253020@s16g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> You want to know how the old timey moonshiners malted their corn?
>
> Buried it, grain sack and all under a pile of horse manure. It was
> warm and wet and the corn sprouted in no time.
>
>
> Adam Preble wrote:
>> There are some good threads preserved on this on Google Groups, but I
>> wanted to check in on efforts. Particularly, I was hoping the process
>> has been refined. I want to try some corn malt in a North American
>> lager. I can't find corn malt, so I've turned to making it myself. I
>> wouldn't normally be interested in malting otherwise.
>>
>> A link used to get thrown around for making chicha that had a note about
>> malting corn. That link is dead now, but I found this:
>>
>> http://xb-70.com/beer/chicha/ch_malti.htm
>>
>> The process looks very involved and dissuades me from malting it. This
>> is more reassuring:
>>
>> http://byo.com/feature/284.html
>>
>> This makes it sound easier, but it warns not to exceed 20% of the grist
>> with this. I had read contradictory posts--once malted, the corn can
>> even surpass 40% of the grist; that's a general maximum I see in places
>> for using flaked maize as an adjunct.
>>
>> I was hoping to get something like 10 pounds of dried corn kernels for
>> my first effort. Does anybody have tips for finding that in the Austin,
>> TX area? Should I try a pet food store?
>
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Date: 07 Jul 2006 06:50:25
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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Adam Preble <rockobonaparte@hotmail.com > wrote:
> There are some good threads preserved on this on Google Groups,
> but I wanted to check in on efforts. Particularly, I was hoping
> the process has been refined. I want to try some corn malt in
> a North American lager. I can't find corn malt, so I've turned
> to making it myself. I wouldn't normally be interested in malting
> otherwise. ...
I don't know where to purshase malted corn or malted sorghum,
but I do know that malting is relatively simple. You just need
to know and use the appropriate temperatures for the grain you
are malting. Also I read somewhere that you want to use feed
corn, not seed corn.
Dick
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Date: 08 Jul 2006 00:47:29
From: Adam Preble
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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I found sacks of deer feed at the supermarket today. They were
supposedly packed with corn. I guess the hunters use it to lure out
deer. Would that kind of corn work for malting?
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Date: 08 Jul 2006 04:57:45
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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Adam Preble <rockobonaparte@hotmail.com > wrote:
> I found sacks of deer feed at the supermarket today. They were
> supposedly packed with corn. I guess the hunters use it to
> lure out deer. Would that kind of corn work for malting?
If it is feed corn, yes. But without looking at it, I'm guessing.
As for hunting deer, the only thing better than shooting them over
a pile of feed is to wait til after dusk to lay out the feed and
then hit them with a spotlight, but first make sure you have your
car window rolled down. <This information will cost you big time
if someone reports you. >
Dick
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Date: 08 Jul 2006 17:28:50
From: Adam Preble
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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Dick Adams wrote:
> As for hunting deer, the only thing better than shooting them over
> a pile of feed is to wait til after dusk to lay out the feed and
> then hit them with a spotlight, but first make sure you have your
> car window rolled down. <This information will cost you big time
> if someone reports you.>
This might be hypocritical coming from a homebrewer, but I think you
have some strange hobbies. <grin >
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Date: 08 Jul 2006 19:12:00
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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Adam Preble <rockobonaparte@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Dick Adams wrote:
>> As for hunting deer, the only thing better than shooting them over
>> a pile of feed is to wait til after dusk to lay out the feed and
>> then hit them with a spotlight, but first make sure you have your
>> car window rolled down. <This information will cost you big time
>> if someone reports you.>
> This might be hypocritical coming from a homebrewer, but I think you
> have some strange hobbies. <grin>
qui je? I'm only reporting what I have heard from game wardens. <g >
Dick
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Date: 07 Jul 2006 17:28:23
From: Droopy
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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Seed corn is generally treated with an antifungal/insecticide.
the big problem with malting corn and sorghum is that it tends to spoil
(sour/mold) quickly.
Dick Adams wrote:
> Adam Preble <rockobonaparte@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > There are some good threads preserved on this on Google Groups,
> > but I wanted to check in on efforts. Particularly, I was hoping
> > the process has been refined. I want to try some corn malt in
> > a North American lager. I can't find corn malt, so I've turned
> > to making it myself. I wouldn't normally be interested in malting
> > otherwise. ...
>
> I don't know where to purshase malted corn or malted sorghum,
> but I do know that malting is relatively simple. You just need
> to know and use the appropriate temperatures for the grain you
> are malting. Also I read somewhere that you want to use feed
> corn, not seed corn.
>
> Dick
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Date: 08 Jul 2006 20:28:05
From: Droopy
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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Of course, baiting deer and hunting them with spotlights are illegal
everywhere that I have ever hunted.
With some exceptions such as depridation permits.
Dick Adams wrote:
> Adam Preble <rockobonaparte@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Dick Adams wrote:
>
> >> As for hunting deer, the only thing better than shooting them over
> >> a pile of feed is to wait til after dusk to lay out the feed and
> >> then hit them with a spotlight, but first make sure you have your
> >> car window rolled down. <This information will cost you big time
> >> if someone reports you.>
>
> > This might be hypocritical coming from a homebrewer, but I think you
> > have some strange hobbies. <grin>
>
> qui je? I'm only reporting what I have heard from game wardens. <g>
>
> Dick
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Date: 09 Jul 2006 19:00:42
From: Ramset
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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Biggest problem nowadays is the Monsanto Terminator Technology. You
will in most cases have this seed at least mixed with what you may
believe is free of them, until you find yourself with a foul smelling
rotten mess. But hey, go for it.
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Date: 09 Jul 2006 15:57:58
From: Droopy
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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well since 95 percent of all the corn planted is a hybrid, why even
bother engineering it to terminate?
cyberzl1@yahoo.com wrote:
> Ramset wrote:
> > Biggest problem nowadays is the Monsanto Terminator Technology. You
>
> This is still in relatively limited release. Give it a few years and
> it will be an issue. There are only a few select varieties that have
> this so far. I expect it to expand in the big name varieties.
>
> It is more prevelent in soybeans. People "generally" don't try to
> replant corn. It doesn't yield as well. Soybeans are a different
> story. Although it is still a limited practice to use "bin run" for
> seed.
>
> JW
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Date: 09 Jul 2006 14:32:22
From: cyberzl1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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Ramset wrote:
> Biggest problem nowadays is the Monsanto Terminator Technology. You
This is still in relatively limited release. Give it a few years and
it will be an issue. There are only a few select varieties that have
this so far. I expect it to expand in the big name varieties.
It is more prevelent in soybeans. People "generally" don't try to
replant corn. It doesn't yield as well. Soybeans are a different
story. Although it is still a limited practice to use "bin run" for
seed.
JW
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Date: 10 Jul 2006 18:23:46
From: Ramset
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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Don't know where you've been, but not only has it been around for
years and cover most commercial seed including rice, wheat and barley,
they have blood on their hands with whole villages in the third world
dying through starvation having relied on it. It's all out there if
you are at all interested.
On 9 Jul 2006 14:32:22 -0700, "cyberzl1@yahoo.com"
<cyberzl1@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>Ramset wrote:
>> Biggest problem nowadays is the Monsanto Terminator Technology. You
>
>This is still in relatively limited release. Give it a few years and
>it will be an issue. There are only a few select varieties that have
>this so far. I expect it to expand in the big name varieties.
>
>It is more prevelent in soybeans. People "generally" don't try to
>replant corn. It doesn't yield as well. Soybeans are a different
>story. Although it is still a limited practice to use "bin run" for
>seed.
>
>JW
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Date: 10 Jul 2006 06:35:40
From: cyberzl1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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Ramset wrote:
> Don't know where you've been,
I assume you are talking to me. With that assumption, as for "where
I've been", I have been planting corn and soybeans.
Where have you been?
>but not only has it been around for
> years and cover most commercial seed including rice, wheat and barley,
Yes it has been around for awhile. But the level of it's actual
presence is pretty minimal.
> they have blood on their hands with whole villages in the third world
> dying through starvation having relied on it. It's all out there if
> you are at all interested.
What's out there? Propoganda hyping the evils of Terminator
technology? Or Terminator seeds?
I don't agree with the technology, but please dont' make it out to be a
bigger deal than it is. Yes it exists. Should it exist? No, I don't
think so.
Why does it exist? The answer to that isn't what everyone purports it
to be. Well, it is if you get to the most basic level, but it's an
indirection.
JW
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Date: 11 Jul 2006 22:50:33
From: Ramset
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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On 10 Jul 2006 06:35:40 -0700, "cyberzl1@yahoo.com"
<cyberzl1@yahoo.com >
My apologies no offence intended.. I was hoping to find the source
again last night, with no luck.. It was a while ago. On reflection
it may have been a documentary.
I am not one that takes things at face value and view any news with
suspicion, in this case they had given a remote village (South Amerca)
free seed with the promise of better yeilds etc. the villagers were so
impressed they ate their long standing seed reserve thinking they
could replant the better seed, etc.
Terminator, Traitor and Suicide seed technology is a real worry and
although it may be minimal in some parts of the world "for the moment"
it is alive and well in others.
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Date: 10 Jul 2006 06:19:38
From: cyberzl1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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Droopy wrote:
> well since 95 percent of all the corn planted is a hybrid, why even
> bother engineering it to terminate?
>
Good question. I have wondered the same thing myself.
JW
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Date: 11 Jul 2006 04:50:55
From: Scotty B
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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It must be early... I thought the subject read: Morning corn reflux
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Date: 11 Jul 2006 15:11:21
From: Droopy
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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I am sure Monsanto is not relying on the 3rd world susbsitance farmer
for their continued market dominance.
Ramset wrote:
> On 10 Jul 2006 06:35:40 -0700, "cyberzl1@yahoo.com"
> <cyberzl1@yahoo.com>
>
> My apologies no offence intended.. I was hoping to find the source
> again last night, with no luck.. It was a while ago. On reflection
> it may have been a documentary.
> I am not one that takes things at face value and view any news with
> suspicion, in this case they had given a remote village (South Amerca)
> free seed with the promise of better yeilds etc. the villagers were so
> impressed they ate their long standing seed reserve thinking they
> could replant the better seed, etc.
> Terminator, Traitor and Suicide seed technology is a real worry and
> although it may be minimal in some parts of the world "for the moment"
> it is alive and well in others.
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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Date: 12 Jul 2006 05:32:51
From: Adam Preble
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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I thought I'd update the thread; hopefully some people are still keeping
track here. I think some roots are starting to shoot after two days.
Last night, I stopped soaking the corn. I was changing out the water
and drying them off a little every 12 hours or so. Now they're just
sitting out, with an occasional stir. I would have wanted more activity
by now, but I've learned that patience is important in this hobby.
As I mentioned before, the corn I got was deer feed. It had apple aroma
added to it, which disturbed me. I think that has washed out by this
point. I certainly can't smell it over the other little bits--it
doesn't have much of an odor right now so don't fret.
I'll soak again in two days if I am not getting much more activity as I
see now with the roots. I hope in that time that the roots have grown
to the size of the kernels; it'll at least indicate that they're trying.
The grains are out in my kitchen and get a little ambient light. Is
that bad?
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Date: 13 Jul 2006 21:47:27
From: Artarius
Subject: Re: Malting corn redux
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I had mentioned once before (one word) "sawdust" after someone mentioned
buried it in a grain sack under horse manure.
I grew up in Texas and my next door neighbor was a old transplanted
hillbilly from Tennesee. One time during a discussion about moonshine, he
said "the best mash fer shine come from sproutin the corn in a sack wetted
good and buried under wet sawdust". When I inquired about the sawdust, he
said "ther were no pine in it". I would assume that the sawdust was hardwood
and that the decomposing from it provided heat. If it were Seasoned Oak
sawdust it may even impart a little burbon flavor to the new shoots?
just food for drink -eheh
"Adam Preble" <rockobonaparte@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:7Q%sg.28913$Uc3.174@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>I thought I'd update the thread; hopefully some people are still keeping
>track here. I think some roots are starting to shoot after two days. Last
>night, I stopped soaking the corn. I was changing out the water and drying
>them off a little every 12 hours or so. Now they're just sitting out, with
>an occasional stir. I would have wanted more activity by now, but I've
>learned that patience is important in this hobby.
>
> As I mentioned before, the corn I got was deer feed. It had apple aroma
> added to it, which disturbed me. I think that has washed out by this
> point. I certainly can't smell it over the other little bits--it doesn't
> have much of an odor right now so don't fret.
>
> I'll soak again in two days if I am not getting much more activity as I
> see now with the roots. I hope in that time that the roots have grown to
> the size of the kernels; it'll at least indicate that they're trying. The
> grains are out in my kitchen and get a little ambient light. Is that bad?
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