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Date: 02 Jun 2006 03:51:49
From:
Subject: Lots and lots of grain!


Hey Gang, I need some recipie ideas! A local brewpub has closed down
and I ended up with a dumpload of specialty grain. When I say a
dumpload I mean like 300lb's! I have about 150lb's of weyermans
acidulated malt then about 100lb's of rye malt and about half a bag of
carafoam. I haven't used these particular malts before and thought that
if any of you guys have used them perhaps you may throw me a recipie or
two. In the meantime I'm storing it in a nice cool dry place. I have
the ability to brew ten gallon batches so dig deep boys I'm looking for
recipies! Thanks in advance.

Steve





 
Date: 02 Jun 2006 16:59:41
From: Adam Preble
Subject: Re: Lots and lots of grain!


smhoneydo@aol.com wrote:
> Hey Gang, I need some recipie ideas! A local brewpub has closed down
> and I ended up with a dumpload of specialty grain. When I say a
> dumpload I mean like 300lb's! I have about 150lb's of weyermans
> acidulated malt then about 100lb's of rye malt and about half a bag of
> carafoam. I haven't used these particular malts before and thought that
> if any of you guys have used them perhaps you may throw me a recipie or
> two. In the meantime I'm storing it in a nice cool dry place. I have
> the ability to brew ten gallon batches so dig deep boys I'm looking for
> recipies! Thanks in advance.

I have no experience with rye and carafoam. I know that acidulate malt
will drop the pH. Some people use it to clone Guiness instead of other
hijinks like spitting in the wort. I've seen it used at the magnitude
of a few ounces per 5 gallon final batch. That grain will go stale long
before you manage to use it.

Well, if I had 150 pounds of acid malt, I'd be thinking of a comedy
option plambic or something like that.


  
Date: 02 Jun 2006 21:58:58
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Lots and lots of grain!


On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:59:41 GMT, <rockobonaparte@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Well, if I had 150 pounds of acid malt, I'd be thinking of a comedy
> option plambic or something like that.

He could always sell it.


John.


   
Date: 02 Jun 2006 22:28:32
From: Adam Preble
Subject: Re: Lots and lots of grain!


John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:59:41 GMT, <rockobonaparte@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Well, if I had 150 pounds of acid malt, I'd be thinking of a comedy
>>option plambic or something like that.
>
>
> He could always sell it.
>
>
> John.

I can't imagine people making requests for more than a couple pounds at
a time. If I can get a pound less than $1.60 with shipping then I might
consider it. Otherwise, I imagine most could get their mittens on the
grain locally for less.

This all assumes acid malt is fairly common. Austin Homebrew has it,
and a shop I used on Oklahoma City wants had it as well.


    
Date: 03 Jun 2006 00:26:59
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Lots and lots of grain!


On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:28:32 GMT, <rockobonaparte@hotmail.com > wrote:
> John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:59:41 GMT, <rockobonaparte@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Well, if I had 150 pounds of acid malt, I'd be thinking of a comedy
>>>option plambic or something like that.
>>
>>
>> He could always sell it.
>>
>>
>> John.
>
> I can't imagine people making requests for more than a couple pounds at
> a time. If I can get a pound less than $1.60 with shipping then I might
> consider it. Otherwise, I imagine most could get their mittens on the
> grain locally for less.
>
> This all assumes acid malt is fairly common. Austin Homebrew has it,
> and a shop I used on Oklahoma City wants had it as well.

I was thinking more along the lines of selling something like 100 lbs of it
to a local LHBS.


John.


 
Date: 02 Jun 2006 07:51:48
From:
Subject: Re: Lots and lots of grain!



Dan Listermann wrote:
> Steve, was it Dunedin that went under? That would be a shame.
>
> Weyermann's Acidulated malt is very strong and should be used very
> sparingly. You have more than a number of lifetimes supplies.
>
> Rye malt, used at high levels, produces an earthy flavor and an almost slimy
> mouthfeel. At high levels, it needs rice hulls to lauter.
>
> Carafoam is wonderful. I have put a one inch standing head on mead with it.
> Use it at a rate of about 1/4 to 1/2 pound in a five gallon batch.
>
> Dan
>

Hey THANK's Dan! Thats the kinda answer I was looking for.
No it wasn't Dunedin Brewery it was another one that was up in Tampa
called Hoppers. They had about three locations one them was the actual
brewpub and they apparently lost their license and had to close up
shop. I thought that the Carafoam was probably another name for cara
pils. I also figured that would get the most use, too bad I only have a
half sack of that one. What in the world can you do with that
acidulated malt? I think Denny had an award winning recipe that uses
rye malt, isn't there a copy of that in one of the latest issues of
BYO? If you can find any other recipes bring em on!


Steve



  
Date: 02 Jun 2006 12:31:18
From: JS
Subject: Re: Lots and lots of grain!


On 2 Jun 2006 07:51:48 -0700, smhoneydo@aol.com wrote:

>
>Dan Listermann wrote:
>> Steve, was it Dunedin that went under? That would be a shame.
>>
>> Weyermann's Acidulated malt is very strong and should be used very
>> sparingly. You have more than a number of lifetimes supplies.
>>
>> Rye malt, used at high levels, produces an earthy flavor and an almost slimy
>> mouthfeel. At high levels, it needs rice hulls to lauter.
>>
>> Carafoam is wonderful. I have put a one inch standing head on mead with it.
>> Use it at a rate of about 1/4 to 1/2 pound in a five gallon batch.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>
> Hey THANK's Dan! Thats the kinda answer I was looking for.
>No it wasn't Dunedin Brewery it was another one that was up in Tampa
>called Hoppers. They had about three locations one them was the actual
>brewpub and they apparently lost their license and had to close up
>shop. I thought that the Carafoam was probably another name for cara
>pils. I also figured that would get the most use, too bad I only have a
>half sack of that one. What in the world can you do with that
>acidulated malt? I think Denny had an award winning recipe that uses
>rye malt, isn't there a copy of that in one of the latest issues of
>BYO? If you can find any other recipes bring em on!
>
>
> Steve
Here's my copy of Denny's Rye PA, which I just brewed in a split batch
using the two yeasts mentioned. The CL-50 really does taste cleaner,
with a more inviting mouthfeel. The listed gravities and alc. % are
skewed. I ended up with the listed alc, but with an OG of 1.068, I
believe.
2004's Best Damn Hoppy Beer People's Choice: RyePA
by Denny Conn. Recipe is for 5 Gallons.

11.00 lbs 2-row

3.00 lbs Rye Malt

1.25 lb Crystal 60L

0.50 lb Cara-Pils Dextrine Malt

0.50 lb Wheat Malt

1.00 oz Mount Hood 4.9% FWH

1.00 oz Columbus 17.8% 60 min

0.50 oz Mount Hood 4.9% 30 min

1.50 oz Mount Hood 4.9% 0 min

1.00 oz Columbus 15.0% Dry hop

Single Infusion Mash @ 153°
5.25 Gallons Strike Water
BrewTek CL-50 California Pub Brewery Ale or Wyeast 1272 Am. Ale II

OG: 1.073

ABV: 6.8%

FG: 1.018

IBU: 75


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Date: 02 Jun 2006 13:55:45
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Lots and lots of grain!


smhoneydo@aol.com wrote:

> I think Denny had an award winning recipe that uses
> rye malt, isn't there a copy of that in one of the latest issues of
> BYO? If you can find any other recipes bring em on!
>
>
> Steve
>

Here it is Steve. I brewed it for the 5th time just last week. Great
stuff!!!

Denny Conn’s Rye IPA
Recipe Specifics
----------------
Batch Size (GAL): 5.00 Wort Size (GAL): 5.00
Total Grain (LBS): 16.25
Anticipated OG: 1.073 Plato: 17.8
Anticipated SRM: 12.2
Anticipated IBU: 75.1
Brewhouse Efficiency: 65 %
Wort Boil Time: 70 Minutes

Grain/Extract/Sugar
% Amount Name Origin
Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

67.7 11.00 lbs. Pale Malt(2-row) America 1.036
2
18.5 3.00 lbs. Rye Malt America 1.030
4
7.7 1.25 lbs. Crystal 60L America 1.034
60
3.1 0.50 lbs. Cara-Pils Dextrine Malt 1.033
2
3.1 0.50 lbs. Wheat Malt America 1.038
2
Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.

Hops
Amount Name Form Alpha IBU
Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

1.00 oz. Mt. Hood Whole 4.90 15.0 FWH
1.00 oz. Columbus Whole 17.80 54.4 60
min.
0.50 oz. Mt. Hood Whole 4.90 5.7 30
min.
1.50 oz. Mt. Hood Whole 4.90 0.0 0
min.
1.00 oz. Columbus Whole 15.00 0.0
Dry Hop

Extras
Amount Name Type Time
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
1.00 Tsp Irish Moss Fining 15 Min.(boil)
1.00 Tsp Gypsum Other 60 Min.(boil)

Yeast
-----
BrewTek CL-50 California Pub Brewery Ale or Wyeast 1272 Am. ale II
Mash Schedule
-------------
Mash Name :
BrewTek CL-50 California Pub Brewery Ale
Total Grain LBS : 16.25
Grain Temp : 63.00 F
Total Water QTS : 21.61 - Before Additional Infusions
Total Water GAL : 5.40
Tun Thermal Mass : 0.00

Step Rest Start Stop Direct/ Infuse
Infuse Infuse
Step Name Time Time Temp Temp Infuse Temp
Amount Ratio
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

sacc 0 60 153 153 Infuse 166
21.61 1.33

Total Water QTS : 21.61 - After Additional Infusions
Total Water GAL : 5.40 - After Additional Infusions

All temperature measurements are degrees Fahrenheit.
All infusion amounts are in quarts.


   
Date: 02 Jun 2006 12:01:28
From: Denny Conn
Subject: Re: Lots and lots of grain!


Wayne wrote:

> Here it is Steve. I brewed it for the 5th time just last week. Great
> stuff!!!

I think I must have brewed it 5 times in the last 6 months! I'm pretty
much required to keep it on tap for my wife....

---------- >Denny

--
Life begins at 60...1.060, that is.


 
Date: 02 Jun 2006 09:20:20
From: Dan Listermann
Subject: Re: Lots and lots of grain!


Steve, was it Dunedin that went under? That would be a shame.

Weyermann's Acidulated malt is very strong and should be used very
sparingly. You have more than a number of lifetimes supplies.

Rye malt, used at high levels, produces an earthy flavor and an almost slimy
mouthfeel. At high levels, it needs rice hulls to lauter.

Carafoam is wonderful. I have put a one inch standing head on mead with it.
Use it at a rate of about 1/4 to 1/2 pound in a five gallon batch.

Dan


<smhoneydo@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1149245509.870794.306700@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Hey Gang, I need some recipie ideas! A local brewpub has closed down
> and I ended up with a dumpload of specialty grain. When I say a
> dumpload I mean like 300lb's! I have about 150lb's of weyermans
> acidulated malt then about 100lb's of rye malt and about half a bag of
> carafoam. I haven't used these particular malts before and thought that
> if any of you guys have used them perhaps you may throw me a recipie or
> two. In the meantime I'm storing it in a nice cool dry place. I have
> the ability to brew ten gallon batches so dig deep boys I'm looking for
> recipies! Thanks in advance.
>
> Steve
>




  
Date: 02 Jun 2006 17:00:13
From: Karl S
Subject: Re: Lots and lots of grain!


Dan Listermann wrote:
> Steve, was it Dunedin that went under? That would be a shame.
>
> Weyermann's Acidulated malt is very strong and should be used very
> sparingly. You have more than a number of lifetimes supplies.
>
> Rye malt, used at high levels, produces an earthy flavor and an almost slimy
> mouthfeel. At high levels, it needs rice hulls to lauter.
>
> Carafoam is wonderful. I have put a one inch standing head on mead with it.
> Use it at a rate of about 1/4 to 1/2 pound in a five gallon batch.
>
> Dan
>
>
> <smhoneydo@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1149245509.870794.306700@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Hey Gang, I need some recipie ideas! A local brewpub has closed down
>>and I ended up with a dumpload of specialty grain. When I say a
>>dumpload I mean like 300lb's! I have about 150lb's of weyermans
>>acidulated malt then about 100lb's of rye malt and about half a bag of
>>carafoam. I haven't used these particular malts before and thought that
>>if any of you guys have used them perhaps you may throw me a recipie or
>>two. In the meantime I'm storing it in a nice cool dry place. I have
>>the ability to brew ten gallon batches so dig deep boys I'm looking for
>>recipies! Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>
>
>
I suppose this is a typical newbie question, but if there is a way to
de-acidify that acidulated malt (sprayed with lactic acid?) would the
result be usable? I'm thinking maybe calcium carbonate, but that's just
because I chew a lot of "Tums"... Maybe just a nice cold-water rinse...

Karl S.


   
Date: 03 Jun 2006 15:11:56
From: Dan Listermann
Subject: Re: Lots and lots of grain!



"Karl S" <karls@sysmatrix.munged.net > wrote in message
news:PN-dnf2uDpnIUh3ZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@sysmatrix.net...
> Dan Listermann wrote:
>> Steve, was it Dunedin that went under? That would be a shame.
>>
>> Weyermann's Acidulated malt is very strong and should be used very
>> sparingly. You have more than a number of lifetimes supplies.
>>
>> Rye malt, used at high levels, produces an earthy flavor and an almost
>> slimy mouthfeel. At high levels, it needs rice hulls to lauter.
>>
>> Carafoam is wonderful. I have put a one inch standing head on mead with
>> it. Use it at a rate of about 1/4 to 1/2 pound in a five gallon batch.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> <smhoneydo@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1149245509.870794.306700@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>Hey Gang, I need some recipie ideas! A local brewpub has closed down
>>>and I ended up with a dumpload of specialty grain. When I say a
>>>dumpload I mean like 300lb's! I have about 150lb's of weyermans
>>>acidulated malt then about 100lb's of rye malt and about half a bag of
>>>carafoam. I haven't used these particular malts before and thought that
>>>if any of you guys have used them perhaps you may throw me a recipie or
>>>two. In the meantime I'm storing it in a nice cool dry place. I have
>>>the ability to brew ten gallon batches so dig deep boys I'm looking for
>>>recipies! Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> I suppose this is a typical newbie question, but if there is a way to
> de-acidify that acidulated malt (sprayed with lactic acid?) would the
> result be usable? I'm thinking maybe calcium carbonate, but that's just
> because I chew a lot of "Tums"... Maybe just a nice cold-water rinse...

If you ever tasted a single corn of Weyermann's Acidulated Malt, you would
know that nothing would work.

If you are eating that many Tums, go to a dor. I have GIRD and it is no
fun but there are really good medications for it now. Letting the acid eat
away at your throat is very bad.

Dan




 
Date: 02 Jun 2006 21:57:14
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Lots and lots of grain!


On 2 Jun 2006 03:51:49 -0700, <smhoneydo@aol.com > wrote:
> Hey Gang, I need some recipie ideas! A local brewpub has closed down
> and I ended up with a dumpload of specialty grain. When I say a
> dumpload I mean like 300lb's!

Nice score.

> I have about 150lb's of weyermans acidulated malt

Holy ****!

Acidulated malt is something you use like a handful of in a batch of beer.
The best thing I can suggest is to use as much of it as you can, and then
pass it down the family chain. Your great grandson might finish it off. ;)


John.


 
Date: 02 Jun 2006 12:04:34
From: Danny Williams
Subject: Re: Lots and lots of grain!



smhoneydo@aol.com wrote:
> I have about 150lb's of weyermans acidulated malt

Perhaps 70% acidulated and 30% malted wheat would get you something
close to a Berliner Weisse?



 
Date: 02 Jun 2006 11:26:05
From:
Subject: Re: Lots and lots of grain!



Adam Preble wrote:
> smhoneydo@aol.com wrote:
> > Hey Gang, I need some recipie ideas! A local brewpub has closed down
> > and I ended up with a dumpload of specialty grain. When I say a
> > dumpload I mean like 300lb's! I have about 150lb's of weyermans
> > acidulated malt then about 100lb's of rye malt and about half a bag of
> > carafoam. I haven't used these particular malts before and thought that
> > if any of you guys have used them perhaps you may throw me a recipie or
> > two. In the meantime I'm storing it in a nice cool dry place. I have
> > the ability to brew ten gallon batches so dig deep boys I'm looking for
> > recipies! Thanks in advance.
>
> I have no experience with rye and carafoam. I know that acidulate malt
> will drop the pH. Some people use it to clone Guiness instead of other
> hijinks like spitting in the wort. I've seen it used at the magnitude
> of a few ounces per 5 gallon final batch. That grain will go stale long
> before you manage to use it.
>
> Well, if I had 150 pounds of acid malt, I'd be thinking of a comedy
> option plambic or something like that.


I may do just that! I don't brew as often as I'd like to so I
may be up for one of those "comedy" recipes. If you can come up with
any ideas don't be bashfull. Thanks

Steve



  
Date: 04 Jun 2006 23:22:39
From: John Heubel
Subject: Re: Lots and lots of grain!



<smhoneydo@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1149272765.589856.230040@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> I have no experience with rye and carafoam. I know that acidulate malt
>> will drop the pH. Some people use it to clone Guiness instead of other
>> hijinks like spitting in the wort. I've seen it used at the magnitude
>> of a few ounces per 5 gallon final batch. That grain will go stale long
>> before you manage to use it.
>>
>> Well, if I had 150 pounds of acid malt, I'd be thinking of a comedy
>> option plambic or something like that.

Do you have a local (or two) home brew shops that may trade you for some
Pils or other malts? Just a thought.
--
John Heubel

remove the obvious for replies




 
Date: 03 Jun 2006 14:47:25
From:
Subject: Re: Lots and lots of grain!



John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:28:32 GMT, <rockobonaparte@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> >> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:59:41 GMT, <rockobonaparte@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Well, if I had 150 pounds of acid malt, I'd be thinking of a comedy
> >>>option plambic or something like that.
> >>
> >>
> >> He could always sell it.
> >>
> >>
> >> John.
> >
> > I can't imagine people making requests for more than a couple pounds at
> > a time. If I can get a pound less than $1.60 with shipping then I might
> > consider it. Otherwise, I imagine most could get their mittens on the
> > grain locally for less.
> >
> > This all assumes acid malt is fairly common. Austin Homebrew has it,
> > and a shop I used on Oklahoma City wants had it as well.
>
> I was thinking more along the lines of selling something like 100 lbs of it
> to a local LHBS.
>
>
> John.




Hmmm, hey John that ain't a bad idea! Mabey they would
concider a trade on other merchandise. Awww yeah, the gears are
turning.

Steve



  
Date: 05 Jun 2006 02:45:06
From: Adam Preble
Subject: Re: Lots and lots of grain!


smhoneydo@aol.com wrote:
> Hmmm, hey John that ain't a bad idea! Mabey they would
> concider a trade on other merchandise. Awww yeah, the gears are
> turning.
>

I would expect they'd be wary of buying grain from elsewhere than their
supplier. Maybe it'll be ok if you have them in original packaging and
can vouch for their date. Otherwise, they could very well assume you
created that acid malt by peeing all over it.

Sorry, couldn't resist revisiting the thread just to write that. ;)


   
Date: 05 Jun 2006 15:32:05
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Lots and lots of grain!


On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 02:45:06 GMT, <rockobonaparte@hotmail.com > wrote:
> smhoneydo@aol.com wrote:
>> Hmmm, hey John that ain't a bad idea! Mabey they would
>> concider a trade on other merchandise. Awww yeah, the gears are
>> turning.
>>
>
> I would expect they'd be wary of buying grain from elsewhere than their
> supplier. Maybe it'll be ok if you have them in original packaging and
> can vouch for their date. Otherwise, they could very well assume you
> created that acid malt by peeing all over it.
>
> Sorry, couldn't resist revisiting the thread just to write that. ;)

It would probably depend on the store owner and if you knew them well or
not. I figure it can't hurt to ask.


John.


 
Date: 03 Jun 2006 14:39:25
From:
Subject: Re: Lots and lots of grain!



JS wrote:
> On 2 Jun 2006 07:51:48 -0700, smhoneydo@aol.com wrote:
>
> >
> >Dan Listermann wrote:
> >> Steve, was it Dunedin that went under? That would be a shame.
> >>
> >> Weyermann's Acidulated malt is very strong and should be used very
> >> sparingly. You have more than a number of lifetimes supplies.
> >>
> >> Rye malt, used at high levels, produces an earthy flavor and an almost=
slimy
> >> mouthfeel. At high levels, it needs rice hulls to lauter.
> >>
> >> Carafoam is wonderful. I have put a one inch standing head on mead wi=
th it.
> >> Use it at a rate of about 1/4 to 1/2 pound in a five gallon batch.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >



> > Hey THANK's Dan! Thats the kinda answer I was looking for.
> >No it wasn't Dunedin Brewery it was another one that was up in Tampa
> >called Hoppers. They had about three locations one them was the actual
> >brewpub and they apparently lost their license and had to close up
> >shop. I thought that the Carafoam was probably another name for cara
> >pils. I also figured that would get the most use, too bad I only have a
> >half sack of that one. What in the world can you do with that
> >acidulated malt? I think Denny had an award winning recipe that uses
> >rye malt, isn't there a copy of that in one of the latest issues of
> >BYO? If you can find any other recipes bring em on!
> >
> >
> > Steve
> Here's my copy of Denny's Rye PA, which I just brewed in a split batch
> using the two yeasts mentioned. The CL-50 really does taste cleaner,
> with a more inviting mouthfeel. The listed gravities and alc. % are
> skewed. I ended up with the listed alc, but with an OG of 1.068, I
> believe.
> 2004's Best Damn Hoppy Beer People's Choice: RyePA
> by Denny Conn. Recipe is for 5 Gallons.
>
> 11.00 lbs 2-row
>
> 3.00 lbs Rye Malt
>
> 1.25 lb Crystal 60L
>
> 0.50 lb Cara-Pils Dextrine Malt
>
> 0.50 lb Wheat Malt
>
> 1.00 oz Mount Hood 4.9% FWH
>
> 1.00 oz Columbus 17.8% 60 min
>
> 0.50 oz Mount Hood 4.9% 30 min
>
> 1.50 oz Mount Hood 4.9% 0 min
>
> 1.00 oz Columbus 15.0% Dry hop
>
> Single Infusion Mash @ 153=B0
> 5.25 Gallons Strike Water
> BrewTek CL-50 California Pub Brewery Ale or Wyeast 1272 Am. Ale II
>
> OG: 1.073
>
> ABV: 6.8%
>
> FG: 1.018
>
> IBU: 75
>
>
> --


Dude That was great! That oughta help get SOME of the rye
moving. Alrighty then!

Steve



 
Date: 05 Jun 2006 15:55:40
From:
Subject: Re: Lots and lots of grain!



John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 02:45:06 GMT, <rockobonaparte@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > smhoneydo@aol.com wrote:
> >> Hmmm, hey John that ain't a bad idea! Mabey they would
> >> concider a trade on other merchandise. Awww yeah, the gears are
> >> turning.
> >>
> >
> > I would expect they'd be wary of buying grain from elsewhere than their
> > supplier. Maybe it'll be ok if you have them in original packaging and
> > can vouch for their date. Otherwise, they could very well assume you
> > created that acid malt by peeing all over it.
> >
> > Sorry, couldn't resist revisiting the thread just to write that. ;)
>
> It would probably depend on the store owner and if you knew them well or
> not. I figure it can't hurt to ask.
>
>



Thanks for all the answers guys, I think you've all
provided some very good ideas.I will at least ask if the LHBS wants to
possibly do bussiness. Otherwise one of those "comedy" recipes sounds
like a good idea as well. Thanks gang, and thankyou Denny I'm sure your
recipe will work out beautifuly.

Steve