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Date: 02 Jul 2006 14:16:46
From: Deacon Bluez
Subject: Liquid Yeast Vile
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I used a White Labs California Pale last night for the first time and ran
into a little problem. The vile was seperated so I shook it a little to mix.
The problem is when I opened it to dump it in the carboy it exploded and I
lost I am guessing half of the vile. I have dumped in the rest of the vile
and 12 hours later there is no activity ( as expected) I was thinking about
going to the LHBS and purchasing another vile. Recommended or too late?
Deacon
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Date: 03 Jul 2006 03:48:26
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Liquid Yeast Vile
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On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:16:46 -0700, <deaconbluez@sti.net > wrote:
> I used a White Labs California Pale last night for the first time and ran
> into a little problem. The vile was seperated so I shook it a little to mix.
As you found, I wouldn't worry about mixing it until after you have
opened it. As long as you get all of the contents out, it shouldn't really
matter if it was mixed or came out seperately.
> The problem is when I opened it to dump it in the carboy it exploded and I
> lost I am guessing half of the vile. I have dumped in the rest of the vile
> and 12 hours later there is no activity ( as expected) I was thinking about
> going to the LHBS and purchasing another vile. Recommended or too late?
A vial of liquid yeast is not really the correct amount for pitching
into a standard 5 gallon batch. You should be making a starter before
using liquid yeast. If this sounds like too much work, then stick with
dry yeast. The White Labs vials only contain about 1/4 the amount that
is really recommended for a 5 gallon batch, so if you lost half of it
you are only pitching 1/8 of the right amount. This definitely would
cause a long lag time.
If it were me, I'd get another vile or yeast, or else a packet of dry
yeast. BTW, I like to always keep a spare packet of "emergency" dry
yeast on hand. They'll keep for a long time if stored cold. If I ever
get a batch that doesn't show signs of activity after 36 hours, I'll
pitch my emergency yeast as a backup.
John.
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Date: 03 Jul 2006 20:40:47
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Liquid Yeast Vile
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> If it were me, I'd get another vile or yeast, or else a packet of dry
> yeast. BTW, I like to always keep a spare packet of "emergency" dry
> yeast on hand. They'll keep for a long time if stored cold. If I ever
> get a batch that doesn't show signs of activity after 36 hours, I'll
> pitch my emergency yeast as a backup.
I just picked up a spare packet of Safale US-56, my usual. And I noted
a date stamp.. Dec. 2008. That is quite a long time. I don't expect to
keep it that long :)
Would it be useful to store viles of yeast cake in those empty tubes?
--
Dan
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Date: 04 Jul 2006 08:33:20
From: Richard Kaszeta
Subject: Re: Liquid Yeast Vile
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Dan Logcher <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net > writes:
> I just picked up a spare packet of Safale US-56, my usual. And I noted
> a date stamp.. Dec. 2008. That is quite a long time. I don't expect to
> keep it that long :)
When I get lazy and buy the occasional extract kit with Wyeast from
Midwest, they always seem to give me both the Wyeast and some dry
Muntons, so I've got nearly a lifetime supply of Muntons yeast packs
in the fridge.
I haven't had to use any of them yet, since the one time I had a bad
yeast pack (a Kolsch), my LHBS had the right replacement strain
on-hand (which suprises me, they have a very good selection for the
apparent low volume of customers they have).
--
Richard W Kaszeta
rich@kaszeta.org
http://www.kaszeta.org/rich
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Date: 05 Jul 2006 14:37:17
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Liquid Yeast Vile
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On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:40:47 -0400, <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net > wrote:
> I just picked up a spare packet of Safale US-56, my usual. And I noted
> a date stamp.. Dec. 2008. That is quite a long time. I don't expect to
> keep it that long :)
>
> Would it be useful to store viles of yeast cake in those empty tubes?
I do, but they won't last nearly as long as a packet of dry yeast. I store
slurry in the viles in order to reuse yeast between batches, not for a long
term "backup" yeast that you want to set aside until you need it.
John.
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Date: 02 Jul 2006 14:40:28
From: GeoffT
Subject: Re: Liquid Yeast Vile
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Hi Deacon,
The exploding vial is quite common with the white labs yeasts. I've
never tried it but some people shake it, tap the top a few times and
apparently it doesnt gush.
It looks like you've just pitched half the yeast. You'll have a longer
lag time but it will still work. Some yeast strains take a full 24
hours to work so don't worry just yet.
Deacon Bluez wrote:
> I used a White Labs California Pale last night for the first time and ran
> into a little problem. The vile was seperated so I shook it a little to mix.
> The problem is when I opened it to dump it in the carboy it exploded and I
> lost I am guessing half of the vile. I have dumped in the rest of the vile
> and 12 hours later there is no activity ( as expected) I was thinking about
> going to the LHBS and purchasing another vile. Recommended or too late?
>
> Deacon
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Date: 03 Jul 2006 20:31:42
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Liquid Yeast Vile
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Deacon Bluez wrote:
> I used a White Labs California Pale last night for the first time and ran
> into a little problem. The vile was seperated so I shook it a little to mix.
> The problem is when I opened it to dump it in the carboy it exploded and I
> lost I am guessing half of the vile. I have dumped in the rest of the vile
> and 12 hours later there is no activity ( as expected) I was thinking about
> going to the LHBS and purchasing another vile. Recommended or too late?
Didn't they tell you how to use it when you bought it? Two batches ago I used
a tube, and the guy who sold it to me told me to take it out of the fridge 3
hours before use, and shake from time to time.. and most imprtantly to open the
cap slowly to release the gas.
--
Dan
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Date: 03 Jul 2006 23:40:40
From: Deacon Bluez
Subject: Re: Liquid Yeast Vile
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" > Didn't they tell you how to use it when you bought it? Two batches ago I
used
> a tube, and the guy who sold it to me told me to take it out of the fridge
3
> hours before use, and shake from time to time.. and most imprtantly to
open the
> cap slowly to release the gas.
I did go and buy another couple of tubes on Sunday. I called the LHBS and it
forwarded to the local pub where he was having a couple of pints. He brought
a couple of tubes and he did suggest as you stated but even when I did it
that way on the second tube I lost a little. This time the majority did get
in and it was bubbling this morning when I left for work and had a great
layer and is bubbling away as I type.
Shaggy, I do keep a pack of Nottinghan on hand and like this yeast very much
in my limited experience, but I was concerned with adding a dry yeast of a
different variety after dumping in the vile of Calif. Ale. I wanted to use
the same type.
I have learned a lesson with the tubes and will try a starter next time (
have never done one before) to ensure the volume is higher in case the tube
blows.
Thanks all, another homebrew saved!
Deacon
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Date: 05 Jul 2006 10:43:37
From: Thomas T. Veldhouse
Subject: Re: Liquid Yeast Vile
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Deacon Bluez <deaconbluez@sti.net > wrote:
> I used a White Labs California Pale last night for the first time and ran
> into a little problem. The vile was seperated so I shook it a little to mix.
> The problem is when I opened it to dump it in the carboy it exploded and I
> lost I am guessing half of the vile. I have dumped in the rest of the vile
> and 12 hours later there is no activity ( as expected) I was thinking about
> going to the LHBS and purchasing another vile. Recommended or too late?
>
You really should make a starter from the white labs vials. If you don't make
a starter, you should consider using two tubes for average strength ales (high
gravity ales require more yeast). An alternative is to add a packet of
Safale US-56. This should be a nearly identical yeast, but in dry form, but
more importantly, at the yeast count you are looking for.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1
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Date: 05 Jul 2006 21:43:32
From: Deacon Bluez
Subject: Re: Liquid Yeast Vile
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Thanks everyone.
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:d7-dnZ5MHei0QzbZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Deacon Bluez <deaconbluez@sti.net> wrote:
> > I used a White Labs California Pale last night for the first time and
ran
> > into a little problem. The vile was seperated so I shook it a little to
mix.
> > The problem is when I opened it to dump it in the carboy it exploded and
I
> > lost I am guessing half of the vile. I have dumped in the rest of the
vile
> > and 12 hours later there is no activity ( as expected) I was thinking
about
> > going to the LHBS and purchasing another vile. Recommended or too late?
> >
>
> You really should make a starter from the white labs vials. If you don't
make
> a starter, you should consider using two tubes for average strength ales
(high
> gravity ales require more yeast). An alternative is to add a packet of
> Safale US-56. This should be a nearly identical yeast, but in dry form,
but
> more importantly, at the yeast count you are looking for.
>
> --
> Thomas T. Veldhouse
> Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1
>
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Date: 06 Jul 2006 04:38:59
From: Scotty B
Subject: Re: Liquid Yeast Vile
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Deacon Bluez wrote:
> I used a White Labs California Pale last night for the first time and ran
> into a little problem. The vile was seperated so I shook it a little to mix.
> The problem is when I opened it to dump it in the carboy it exploded and I
> lost I am guessing half of the vile. I have dumped in the rest of the vile
> and 12 hours later there is no activity ( as expected) I was thinking about
> going to the LHBS and purchasing another vile. Recommended or too late?
>
> Deacon
Sorry for this, I usually try not to say anything when words are
misspelled, but in this case I feel it is neccessary (dictionary.com):
Vial: A small container, usually with a closure, used especially for
liquids.
Vile: ...2: thoroughly unpleasant; "filthy (or foul or nasty or vile)
3: causing or able to cause nausea; "a nauseating smell"; "nauseous
offal"; "a sickening stench"
Now you can see, a heading that says 'Liquid Yeast Vile' can mean
something completely different than 'Liquid Yeast Vial'
/stepping off soap box now
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Date: 07 Jul 2006 01:30:42
From: Deacon Bluez
Subject: Re: Liquid Yeast Vile
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Then I guess I should learn to spell after I learn to brew. Priorities after
all. So much to learn and so little time.
Thank-you
Deacon
"Scotty B" <michaellasalle@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1152185939.450972.242480@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Deacon Bluez wrote:
> > I used a White Labs California Pale last night for the first time and
ran
> > into a little problem. The vile was seperated so I shook it a little to
mix.
> > The problem is when I opened it to dump it in the carboy it exploded and
I
> > lost I am guessing half of the vile. I have dumped in the rest of the
vile
> > and 12 hours later there is no activity ( as expected) I was thinking
about
> > going to the LHBS and purchasing another vile. Recommended or too late?
> >
> > Deacon
>
> Sorry for this, I usually try not to say anything when words are
> misspelled, but in this case I feel it is neccessary (dictionary.com):
>
> Vial: A small container, usually with a closure, used especially for
> liquids.
>
> Vile: ...2: thoroughly unpleasant; "filthy (or foul or nasty or vile)
> 3: causing or able to cause nausea; "a nauseating smell"; "nauseous
> offal"; "a sickening stench"
>
> Now you can see, a heading that says 'Liquid Yeast Vile' can mean
> something completely different than 'Liquid Yeast Vial'
>
> /stepping off soap box now
>
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Date: 06 Jul 2006 12:44:56
From:
Subject: Re: Liquid Yeast Vile
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Here's what I do to prevent this: Leave the vial out to warm up for a
few hours and roll it around every so often. This should dislodge the
(often heavily compacted) yeast and mix it in with the liquid.
But Shaggy's right - you should always make a starter if your brewing
with White Labs vials.
It's not a big pain, or even something that you have to plan ahead for.
Assuming that you finish brewing at night, then you can even make the
starter in the morning (just aerate is well). That'll give it at least
8-10 hours of growth.
-Nick
Deacon Bluez wrote:
> I used a White Labs California Pale last night for the first time and ran
> into a little problem. The vile was seperated so I shook it a little to mix.
> The problem is when I opened it to dump it in the carboy it exploded and I
> lost I am guessing half of the vile. I have dumped in the rest of the vile
> and 12 hours later there is no activity ( as expected) I was thinking about
> going to the LHBS and purchasing another vile. Recommended or too late?
>
> Deacon
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