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Date: 04 Dec 2006 02:14:15
From: Brian Foster
Subject: Kegging ?
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Can you combine 2 less than full cornies into one keg?
I have a Fat Tire Clone and a Belgian Tripple that are quite similar in
taste. I have a 2 tap kegerator. I'd like to combine the two aforementioned
brews to make room for a Sam Adams clone (now ready in the 2ndary
fermentor).
I'm thinking, just let the gas out of both kegs, combine the two (with a
siphon) and then close and re-pressurize the full keg. I don't have any keg
to keg jumpers set up so I thought this would be the easiest way.
Will the Beer Gods approve of this behavior?
Is blending beers going to go against any laws of nature?
Of course I would be completely sanitary in my transfer (goes without
saying).
Thanks
Cheers and Happy Holidays!
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 20:55:37
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Subject: Re: Kegging ?
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yournotau...@gmail.com wrote:
> Dan Logcher wrote:
> > Brian Foster wrote:
> > > Can you combine 2 less than full cornies into one keg?
> > >
> > > I have a Fat Tire Clone and a Belgian Tripple that are quite similar in
> > > taste. I have a 2 tap kegerator. I'd like to combine the two aforementioned
> > > brews to make room for a Sam Adams clone (now ready in the 2ndary
> > > fermentor).
> > >
> > > I'm thinking, just let the gas out of both kegs, combine the two (with a
> > > siphon) and then close and re-pressurize the full keg. I don't have any keg
> > > to keg jumpers set up so I thought this would be the easiest way.
> > >
> > > Will the Beer Gods approve of this behavior?
> > >
> > > Is blending beers going to go against any laws of nature?
> > >
> > > Of course I would be completely sanitary in my transfer (goes without
> > > saying).
> >
> > I don't know about mixing.. do what you want. But to transfer, run a line
> > from liquid OUT to OUT. Put one keg higher than the other and release some
> > of thevgas from the lower keg. Beer will start to flow to the lower pressure
> > keg, then attach a line from IN to IN and you're all set.
>
> Have you actually done this? Logically this should work due to siphon
> effect, but something in the back of my mind is screaming that it
> won't. Something about gas coming out of solution. I get this horrid
> vision of gas dcoming out of solution and pushing beer into the upper
> keg for a short period then pressure equalizing and... Not that I've
> had this happen. Then again maybe what you described and what I
> imagined aren't the same.
Um... hate to reply to myself, but if you were to shake the higher
keg, that might help. As long as it was pressurized for a while so
there was some dissolved CO2 and you had check valves in the right
places.
>
> >
> > --
> > Dan
>
> Bryan
Bryan... again.
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 08:43:37
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Kegging ?
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yournotauser@gmail.com wrote:
> yournotau...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>Dan Logcher wrote:
>>
>>>Brian Foster wrote:
>>>
>>>>Can you combine 2 less than full cornies into one keg?
>>>>
>>>>I have a Fat Tire Clone and a Belgian Tripple that are quite similar in
>>>>taste. I have a 2 tap kegerator. I'd like to combine the two aforementioned
>>>>brews to make room for a Sam Adams clone (now ready in the 2ndary
>>>>fermentor).
>>>>
>>>>I'm thinking, just let the gas out of both kegs, combine the two (with a
>>>>siphon) and then close and re-pressurize the full keg. I don't have any keg
>>>>to keg jumpers set up so I thought this would be the easiest way.
>>>>
>>>>Will the Beer Gods approve of this behavior?
>>>>
>>>>Is blending beers going to go against any laws of nature?
>>>>
>>>>Of course I would be completely sanitary in my transfer (goes without
>>>>saying).
>>>
>>>I don't know about mixing.. do what you want. But to transfer, run a line
>>>from liquid OUT to OUT. Put one keg higher than the other and release some
>>>of thevgas from the lower keg. Beer will start to flow to the lower pressure
>>>keg, then attach a line from IN to IN and you're all set.
>>
>>Have you actually done this? Logically this should work due to siphon
>>effect, but something in the back of my mind is screaming that it
>>won't. Something about gas coming out of solution. I get this horrid
>>vision of gas dcoming out of solution and pushing beer into the upper
>>keg for a short period then pressure equalizing and... Not that I've
>>had this happen. Then again maybe what you described and what I
>>imagined aren't the same.
>
>
> Um... hate to reply to myself, but if you were to shake the higher
> keg, that might help. As long as it was pressurized for a while so
> there was some dissolved CO2 and you had check valves in the right
> places.
Don't shake.. it will only stir up the junk on the bottom. You can connect
the IN's to equilize, then remove and add a bit more pressure to the upper
keg from your tank.. or pull the lower keg's relief valve to start the
siphon thru the OUT's.
--
Dan
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 20:49:28
From:
Subject: Re: Kegging ?
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Dan Logcher wrote:
> Brian Foster wrote:
> > Can you combine 2 less than full cornies into one keg?
> >
> > I have a Fat Tire Clone and a Belgian Tripple that are quite similar in
> > taste. I have a 2 tap kegerator. I'd like to combine the two aforementioned
> > brews to make room for a Sam Adams clone (now ready in the 2ndary
> > fermentor).
> >
> > I'm thinking, just let the gas out of both kegs, combine the two (with a
> > siphon) and then close and re-pressurize the full keg. I don't have any keg
> > to keg jumpers set up so I thought this would be the easiest way.
> >
> > Will the Beer Gods approve of this behavior?
> >
> > Is blending beers going to go against any laws of nature?
> >
> > Of course I would be completely sanitary in my transfer (goes without
> > saying).
>
> I don't know about mixing.. do what you want. But to transfer, run a line
> from liquid OUT to OUT. Put one keg higher than the other and release some
> of thevgas from the lower keg. Beer will start to flow to the lower pressure
> keg, then attach a line from IN to IN and you're all set.
Have you actually done this? Logically this should work due to siphon
effect, but something in the back of my mind is screaming that it
won't. Something about gas coming out of solution. I get this horrid
vision of gas dcoming out of solution and pushing beer into the upper
keg for a short period then pressure equalizing and... Not that I've
had this happen. Then again maybe what you described and what I
imagined aren't the same.
>
> --
> Dan
Bryan
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 10:13:38
From: Bob F
Subject: Re: Kegging ?
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<yournotauser@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1165207768.490352.143680@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>
> Dan Logcher wrote:
> > Brian Foster wrote:
> > > Can you combine 2 less than full cornies into one keg?
> > >
> > > I have a Fat Tire Clone and a Belgian Tripple that are quite similar
in
> > > taste. I have a 2 tap kegerator. I'd like to combine the two
aforementioned
> > > brews to make room for a Sam Adams clone (now ready in the 2ndary
> > > fermentor).
> > >
> > > I'm thinking, just let the gas out of both kegs, combine the two (with
a
> > > siphon) and then close and re-pressurize the full keg. I don't have
any keg
> > > to keg jumpers set up so I thought this would be the easiest way.
> > >
> > > Will the Beer Gods approve of this behavior?
> > >
> > > Is blending beers going to go against any laws of nature?
> > >
> > > Of course I would be completely sanitary in my transfer (goes without
> > > saying).
> >
> > I don't know about mixing.. do what you want. But to transfer, run a
line
> > from liquid OUT to OUT. Put one keg higher than the other and release
some
> > of thevgas from the lower keg. Beer will start to flow to the lower
pressure
> > keg, then attach a line from IN to IN and you're all set.
>
> Have you actually done this? Logically this should work due to siphon
> effect, but something in the back of my mind is screaming that it
> won't. Something about gas coming out of solution. I get this horrid
> vision of gas dcoming out of solution and pushing beer into the upper
> keg for a short period then pressure equalizing and... Not that I've
> had this happen. Then again maybe what you described and what I
> imagined aren't the same.
>
As long as the pressure is near equal, no significant gas should
come out of solution. If the flow slows, just vent a little more
CO2 from the receiving keg. Doing it this way should have zero
risk of oxygenation. Having the CO2 tank connected to the source
tank may be necessary depending on how full it was to start.
Bob
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 13:54:49
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Kegging ?
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Bob F wrote:
> <yournotauser@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1165207768.490352.143680@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Dan Logcher wrote:
>>
>>>Brian Foster wrote:
>>>
>>>>Can you combine 2 less than full cornies into one keg?
>>>>
>>>>I have a Fat Tire Clone and a Belgian Tripple that are quite similar
>
> in
>
>>>>taste. I have a 2 tap kegerator. I'd like to combine the two
>
> aforementioned
>
>>>>brews to make room for a Sam Adams clone (now ready in the 2ndary
>>>>fermentor).
>>>>
>>>>I'm thinking, just let the gas out of both kegs, combine the two (with
>
> a
>
>>>>siphon) and then close and re-pressurize the full keg. I don't have
>
> any keg
>
>>>>to keg jumpers set up so I thought this would be the easiest way.
>>>>
>>>>Will the Beer Gods approve of this behavior?
>>>>
>>>>Is blending beers going to go against any laws of nature?
>>>>
>>>>Of course I would be completely sanitary in my transfer (goes without
>>>>saying).
>>>
>>>I don't know about mixing.. do what you want. But to transfer, run a
>
> line
>
>>>from liquid OUT to OUT. Put one keg higher than the other and release
>
> some
>
>>>of thevgas from the lower keg. Beer will start to flow to the lower
>
> pressure
>
>>>keg, then attach a line from IN to IN and you're all set.
>>
>>Have you actually done this? Logically this should work due to siphon
>>effect, but something in the back of my mind is screaming that it
>>won't. Something about gas coming out of solution. I get this horrid
>>vision of gas dcoming out of solution and pushing beer into the upper
>>keg for a short period then pressure equalizing and... Not that I've
>>had this happen. Then again maybe what you described and what I
>>imagined aren't the same.
>>
>
>
> As long as the pressure is near equal, no significant gas should
> come out of solution. If the flow slows, just vent a little more
> CO2 from the receiving keg. Doing it this way should have zero
> risk of oxygenation. Having the CO2 tank connected to the source
> tank may be necessary depending on how full it was to start.
You should need to do this if you connect the IN's after the beer
is flowing thru the OUT's. Just have one keg higher than the other
and it will siphon. A slight blast of CO2 might be needed at the
end to get the last drop.. but it might suck out some of the scunge.
--
Dan
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 12:01:11
From: Bob F
Subject: Re: Kegging ?
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"Dan Logcher" <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:45746e80$0$21728$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...
> Bob F wrote:
> > <yournotauser@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1165207768.490352.143680@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >>Dan Logcher wrote:
> >>
> >>>Brian Foster wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Can you combine 2 less than full cornies into one keg?
> >>>>
> >>>>I have a Fat Tire Clone and a Belgian Tripple that are quite similar
> >
> > in
> >
> >>>>taste. I have a 2 tap kegerator. I'd like to combine the two
> >
> > aforementioned
> >
> >>>>brews to make room for a Sam Adams clone (now ready in the 2ndary
> >>>>fermentor).
> >>>>
> >>>>I'm thinking, just let the gas out of both kegs, combine the two (with
> >
> > a
> >
> >>>>siphon) and then close and re-pressurize the full keg. I don't have
> >
> > any keg
> >
> >>>>to keg jumpers set up so I thought this would be the easiest way.
> >>>>
> >>>>Will the Beer Gods approve of this behavior?
> >>>>
> >>>>Is blending beers going to go against any laws of nature?
> >>>>
> >>>>Of course I would be completely sanitary in my transfer (goes without
> >>>>saying).
> >>>
> >>>I don't know about mixing.. do what you want. But to transfer, run a
> >
> > line
> >
> >>>from liquid OUT to OUT. Put one keg higher than the other and release
> >
> > some
> >
> >>>of thevgas from the lower keg. Beer will start to flow to the lower
> >
> > pressure
> >
> >>>keg, then attach a line from IN to IN and you're all set.
> >>
> >>Have you actually done this? Logically this should work due to siphon
> >>effect, but something in the back of my mind is screaming that it
> >>won't. Something about gas coming out of solution. I get this horrid
> >>vision of gas dcoming out of solution and pushing beer into the upper
> >>keg for a short period then pressure equalizing and... Not that I've
> >>had this happen. Then again maybe what you described and what I
> >>imagined aren't the same.
> >>
> >
> >
> > As long as the pressure is near equal, no significant gas should
> > come out of solution. If the flow slows, just vent a little more
> > CO2 from the receiving keg. Doing it this way should have zero
> > risk of oxygenation. Having the CO2 tank connected to the source
> > tank may be necessary depending on how full it was to start.
>
> You should need to do this if you connect the IN's after the beer
> is flowing thru the OUT's. Just have one keg higher than the other
> and it will siphon. A slight blast of CO2 might be needed at the
> end to get the last drop.. but it might suck out some of the scunge.
With just the 'outs' connected, the relative pressures of the two kegs will
completely overpower any siphon effect. There should be no need to even
consider the relative heights of the two kegs. Connecting the 'ins' will
reduce
the transfer to siphon operation. I see no advantage to that.
Bob
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 18:08:30
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Kegging ?
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Bob F wrote:
> "Dan Logcher" <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:45746e80$0$21728$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...
>
>>Bob F wrote:
>>
>>><yournotauser@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1165207768.490352.143680@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Dan Logcher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Brian Foster wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Can you combine 2 less than full cornies into one keg?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have a Fat Tire Clone and a Belgian Tripple that are quite similar
>>>
>>>in
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>taste. I have a 2 tap kegerator. I'd like to combine the two
>>>
>>>aforementioned
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>brews to make room for a Sam Adams clone (now ready in the 2ndary
>>>>>>fermentor).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm thinking, just let the gas out of both kegs, combine the two (with
>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>siphon) and then close and re-pressurize the full keg. I don't have
>>>
>>>any keg
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>to keg jumpers set up so I thought this would be the easiest way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Will the Beer Gods approve of this behavior?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is blending beers going to go against any laws of nature?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Of course I would be completely sanitary in my transfer (goes without
>>>>>>saying).
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't know about mixing.. do what you want. But to transfer, run a
>>>
>>>line
>>>
>>>
>>>>>from liquid OUT to OUT. Put one keg higher than the other and release
>>>
>>>some
>>>
>>>
>>>>>of thevgas from the lower keg. Beer will start to flow to the lower
>>>
>>>pressure
>>>
>>>
>>>>>keg, then attach a line from IN to IN and you're all set.
>>>>
>>>>Have you actually done this? Logically this should work due to siphon
>>>>effect, but something in the back of my mind is screaming that it
>>>>won't. Something about gas coming out of solution. I get this horrid
>>>>vision of gas dcoming out of solution and pushing beer into the upper
>>>>keg for a short period then pressure equalizing and... Not that I've
>>>>had this happen. Then again maybe what you described and what I
>>>>imagined aren't the same.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>As long as the pressure is near equal, no significant gas should
>>>come out of solution. If the flow slows, just vent a little more
>>>CO2 from the receiving keg. Doing it this way should have zero
>>>risk of oxygenation. Having the CO2 tank connected to the source
>>>tank may be necessary depending on how full it was to start.
>>
>>You should need to do this if you connect the IN's after the beer
>>is flowing thru the OUT's. Just have one keg higher than the other
>>and it will siphon. A slight blast of CO2 might be needed at the
>>end to get the last drop.. but it might suck out some of the scunge.
>
>
> With just the 'outs' connected, the relative pressures of the two kegs will
> completely overpower any siphon effect. There should be no need to even
> consider the relative heights of the two kegs. Connecting the 'ins' will
> reduce
> the transfer to siphon operation. I see no advantage to that.
You would need to pop the relief valve on the target keg and push
more CO2 on the source keg. You'd also cause a fast transfer which
will stir up sediment. I prefer a nice slow transfer.. I've got time.
--
Dan
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 23:58:38
From: Scott Sellers
Subject: Re: Kegging ?
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Dan Logcher <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net >:
>Bob F wrote:
[...]
>>
>> With just the 'outs' connected, the relative pressures of the
>> two kegs will completely overpower any siphon effect. There
>> should be no need to even consider the relative heights of the
>> two kegs. Connecting the 'ins' will reduce the transfer to
>> siphon operation. I see no advantage to that.
>You would need to pop the relief valve on the target keg and
>push more CO2 on the source keg. You'd also cause a fast
>transfer which will stir up sediment. I prefer a nice slow
>transfer.. I've got time.
Cool method. Let me recap, just to make sure I have it right:
1) Purge receiving corny with CO2, leaving it sealed at the same
pressure as the beer keg.
2) Attach line between beer out posts. Elevate beer keg to facilitate
siphon.
3) Tug relief valve on receiving keg to fill siphon.
4) Attach line between gas in posts to keep headspace pressure
equalized as siphon flows.
The advantage with this method is that there is minimal de-gasing
(no head should form in receiving keg), and no exposure to
oxygen.
cheers,
Scott S
--
Scott Sellers
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 08:48:23
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Kegging ?
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Scott Sellers wrote:
> Dan Logcher <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net>:
>
>
>>Bob F wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>With just the 'outs' connected, the relative pressures of the
>>>two kegs will completely overpower any siphon effect. There
>>>should be no need to even consider the relative heights of the
>>>two kegs. Connecting the 'ins' will reduce the transfer to
>>>siphon operation. I see no advantage to that.
>
>
>>You would need to pop the relief valve on the target keg and
>>push more CO2 on the source keg. You'd also cause a fast
>>transfer which will stir up sediment. I prefer a nice slow
>>transfer.. I've got time.
>
>
> Cool method. Let me recap, just to make sure I have it right:
>
> 1) Purge receiving corny with CO2, leaving it sealed at the same
> pressure as the beer keg.
>
> 2) Attach line between beer out posts. Elevate beer keg to facilitate
> siphon.
>
> 3) Tug relief valve on receiving keg to fill siphon
>
> 4) Attach line between gas in posts to keep headspace pressure
> equalized as siphon flows.
>
> The advantage with this method is that there is minimal de-gasing
> (no head should form in receiving keg), and no exposure to
> oxygen.
Yep, that's all there is. In my case, I'm transfering from a full or
near full 5 gallon to an empty 3 gallon. So there's nothing in the
target keg. If this was a mixing of two kegs, I'd pop the relief on
the target keg to lower pressure before connecting OUT's so the beer
doesn't flow the wrong way at first. It would still work, but why make
the beer go up then down.
You can tell its working by watching tiny bubbles in the OUT line,
moving around slightly. My 3 gallon keg stops filling once the beer
reaches the bottom of the gas dip tube, leaving a small head space.
I usally pour a glass from the 3 gallon keg to give a bit more head
space.
This method saves on CO2 by relying on gravity, but takes longer since
its a slower tranfer. The higher you elevate the source keg, the faster
the transfer.
--
Dan
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 21:08:18
From: Scott Sellers
Subject: Re: Kegging ?
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Dan Logcher <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net >:
[...]
>Yep, that's all there is. In my case, I'm transfering from a
>full or near full 5 gallon to an empty 3 gallon. So there's
>nothing in the target keg. If this was a mixing of two kegs,
>I'd pop the relief on the target keg to lower pressure before
>connecting OUT's so the beer doesn't flow the wrong way at
>first. It would still work, but why make the beer go up then
>down.
>You can tell its working by watching tiny bubbles in the OUT
>line, moving around slightly. My 3 gallon keg stops filling
>once the beer reaches the bottom of the gas dip tube, leaving a
>small head space. I usally pour a glass from the 3 gallon keg
>to give a bit more head space.
That was going to be my next question: how do you know when to
stop. Thanks for expounding.
>This method saves on CO2 by relying on gravity, but takes longer
>since its a slower tranfer. The higher you elevate the source
>keg, the faster the transfer.
I think this is the same principle as a counter pressure bottle
filler. The difference with kegs, you are using the posts and
the pressure relief as the valves.
Scott S
--
Scott Sellers
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 20:39:11
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Kegging ?
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Scott Sellers wrote:
> Dan Logcher <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net>:
>
> [...]
>
>>Yep, that's all there is. In my case, I'm transfering from a
>>full or near full 5 gallon to an empty 3 gallon. So there's
>>nothing in the target keg. If this was a mixing of two kegs,
>>I'd pop the relief on the target keg to lower pressure before
>>connecting OUT's so the beer doesn't flow the wrong way at
>>first. It would still work, but why make the beer go up then
>>down.
>
>
>>You can tell its working by watching tiny bubbles in the OUT
>>line, moving around slightly. My 3 gallon keg stops filling
>>once the beer reaches the bottom of the gas dip tube, leaving a
>>small head space. I usally pour a glass from the 3 gallon keg
>>to give a bit more head space.
>
>
> That was going to be my next question: how do you know when to
> stop. Thanks for expounding.
If you're transferring 2 gallons from a 5 gallon keg to a 3 gallon
keg, the line will empty. Otherwise it will stop when the beer closes
off the air (CO2) flow on the dip tube. I've done both.
>>This method saves on CO2 by relying on gravity, but takes longer
>>since its a slower tranfer. The higher you elevate the source
>>keg, the faster the transfer.
>
>
> I think this is the same principle as a counter pressure bottle
> filler. The difference with kegs, you are using the posts and
> the pressure relief as the valves.
You don't outgas similar to a CPF, because its a closed system.
CPF'ers are not closed completely. I use this method to move
part of a batch to 3 gallon kegs for taking to someone's house.
--
Dan
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 08:41:50
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Kegging ?
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yournotauser@gmail.com wrote:
> Dan Logcher wrote:
>
>>Brian Foster wrote:
>>
>>>Can you combine 2 less than full cornies into one keg?
>>>
>>>I have a Fat Tire Clone and a Belgian Tripple that are quite similar in
>>>taste. I have a 2 tap kegerator. I'd like to combine the two aforementioned
>>>brews to make room for a Sam Adams clone (now ready in the 2ndary
>>>fermentor).
>>>
>>>I'm thinking, just let the gas out of both kegs, combine the two (with a
>>>siphon) and then close and re-pressurize the full keg. I don't have any keg
>>>to keg jumpers set up so I thought this would be the easiest way.
>>>
>>>Will the Beer Gods approve of this behavior?
>>>
>>>Is blending beers going to go against any laws of nature?
>>>
>>>Of course I would be completely sanitary in my transfer (goes without
>>>saying).
>>
>>I don't know about mixing.. do what you want. But to transfer, run a line
>>from liquid OUT to OUT. Put one keg higher than the other and release some
>>of thevgas from the lower keg. Beer will start to flow to the lower pressure
>>keg, then attach a line from IN to IN and you're all set.
>
>
> Have you actually done this? Logically this should work due to siphon
> effect, but something in the back of my mind is screaming that it
> won't. Something about gas coming out of solution. I get this horrid
> vision of gas dcoming out of solution and pushing beer into the upper
> keg for a short period then pressure equalizing and... Not that I've
> had this happen. Then again maybe what you described and what I
> imagined aren't the same.
I've done it twice to load up a 3 gallon keg from a 5 gallon. It works
very well. I first purge the 3 gallon with CO2, flush as much air out,
I make sure it has some pressure though. I connect the OUT's and listen
or look to see what happens. If the 3 gallon has more pressure it blows
CO2 back. I then pop the relief and the beer flows. Once the tube is
full I connect the IN's and the siphon goes on its own until it reaches
equilibrium.
Another way to do this is to connect in IN's to equilize the pressure.
Then remove the IN's and attach the OUT's and pull the lower keg relief
a bit. Connect IN's and you're done. Easy closed keg to keg transfers
every time.
I have two 3/16" x 4' jumpers for this, with 1/4" MFL ends so I can use
them for other things. I bought all the parts and tubing from rcpequip.
--
Dan
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 20:57:13
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Kegging ?
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On 3 Dec 2006 20:49:28 -0800, <yournotauser@gmail.com > wrote:
>> I don't know about mixing.. do what you want. But to transfer, run a line
>> from liquid OUT to OUT. Put one keg higher than the other and release some
>> of thevgas from the lower keg. Beer will start to flow to the lower pressure
>> keg, then attach a line from IN to IN and you're all set.
>
> Have you actually done this? Logically this should work due to siphon
> effect, but something in the back of my mind is screaming that it
> won't. Something about gas coming out of solution. I get this horrid
> vision of gas dcoming out of solution and pushing beer into the upper
> keg for a short period then pressure equalizing and... Not that I've
> had this happen. Then again maybe what you described and what I
> imagined aren't the same.
I've never tried it, but it sounds reasonable to me.
On the other hand, it's not really necessary. You could just open both kegs
and do a normal siphon. IMO, do whichever you think would be easier.
John.
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 04:06:09
From: Scott Sellers
Subject: Re: Kegging ?
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Brian Foster <brianfoster@houston.rr.com >:
>Can you combine 2 less than full cornies into one keg?
>I have a Fat Tire Clone and a Belgian Tripple that are quite
>similar in taste. I have a 2 tap kegerator. I'd like to combine
>the two aforementioned brews to make room for a Sam Adams clone
>(now ready in the 2ndary fermentor).
>I'm thinking, just let the gas out of both kegs, combine the two
>(with a siphon) and then close and re-pressurize the full keg. I
>don't have any keg to keg jumpers set up so I thought this would
>be the easiest way.
Should work. You might de-gas some CO2 in the siphon, but there
shouldn't be any damage to the beer. Avoid splashing, of course.
cheers,
Scott S
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Scott Sellers
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 22:03:39
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Kegging ?
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Brian Foster wrote:
> Can you combine 2 less than full cornies into one keg?
>
> I have a Fat Tire Clone and a Belgian Tripple that are quite similar in
> taste. I have a 2 tap kegerator. I'd like to combine the two aforementioned
> brews to make room for a Sam Adams clone (now ready in the 2ndary
> fermentor).
>
> I'm thinking, just let the gas out of both kegs, combine the two (with a
> siphon) and then close and re-pressurize the full keg. I don't have any keg
> to keg jumpers set up so I thought this would be the easiest way.
>
> Will the Beer Gods approve of this behavior?
>
> Is blending beers going to go against any laws of nature?
>
> Of course I would be completely sanitary in my transfer (goes without
> saying).
I don't know about mixing.. do what you want. But to transfer, run a line
from liquid OUT to OUT. Put one keg higher than the other and release some
of thevgas from the lower keg. Beer will start to flow to the lower pressure
keg, then attach a line from IN to IN and you're all set.
--
Dan
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 03:01:53
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Kegging ?
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Brian Foster <brianfoster@houston.rr.com > wrote:
> Can you combine 2 less than full cornies into one keg?
>
> I have a Fat Tire Clone and a Belgian Tripple that are quite similar in
> taste. I have a 2 tap kegerator. I'd like to combine the two aforementioned
> brews to make room for a Sam Adams clone (now ready in the 2ndary
> fermentor).
>
> I'm thinking, just let the gas out of both kegs, combine the two (with a
> siphon) and then close and re-pressurize the full keg. I don't have any keg
> to keg jumpers set up so I thought this would be the easiest way.
>
> Will the Beer Gods approve of this behavior?
I sincerely doubt they will ever forgive you.
> Is blending beers going to go against any laws of nature?
Ever have had a few beers, your beer's tap runs out, so you switch
beers. Then the next morning you don't feel well! That's nature
getting even with you for combining beers.
> Of course I would be completely sanitary in my transfer (goes without
> saying).
That may be your only saving grace.
Dick
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 18:27:13
From:
Subject: Re: Kegging ?
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Brian Foster wrote:
> Can you combine 2 less than full cornies into one keg?
>
> I have a Fat Tire Clone and a Belgian Tripple that are quite similar in
> taste. I have a 2 tap kegerator. I'd like to combine the two aforementioned
> brews to make room for a Sam Adams clone (now ready in the 2ndary
> fermentor).
>
> I'm thinking, just let the gas out of both kegs, combine the two (with a
> siphon) and then close and re-pressurize the full keg. I don't have any keg
> to keg jumpers set up so I thought this would be the easiest way.
Should work fine.
>
> Will the Beer Gods approve of this behavior?
As long as you apease them by sending me a pint. ;)
>
> Is blending beers going to go against any laws of nature?
Nope. Blending beers is not a problem, but the results aren't always
what you would expect. That said it's beer so it can't be bad, but it
may be wonderful. The only issue I can see is that if one beer was
done with a low attenuating yeast and one with a high attenuator there
may be a bit of residual fermentation going on, so watch the
carbonation levels. You may need to vent a bit of excess CO2 off.
>
> Of course I would be completely sanitary in my transfer (goes without
> saying).
>
> Thanks
>
> Cheers and Happy Holidays!
Same to you, and let us know how it turns out.
Bryan
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 20:53:56
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Kegging ?
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On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 02:14:15 GMT, <brianfoster@houston.rr.com > wrote:
> Can you combine 2 less than full cornies into one keg?
>
> I have a Fat Tire Clone and a Belgian Tripple that are quite similar in
> taste. I have a 2 tap kegerator. I'd like to combine the two aforementioned
> brews to make room for a Sam Adams clone (now ready in the 2ndary
> fermentor).
>
> I'm thinking, just let the gas out of both kegs, combine the two (with a
> siphon) and then close and re-pressurize the full keg. I don't have any keg
> to keg jumpers set up so I thought this would be the easiest way.
>
> Will the Beer Gods approve of this behavior?
>
> Is blending beers going to go against any laws of nature?
>
> Of course I would be completely sanitary in my transfer (goes without
> saying).
That should work fine.
John.
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 09:47:53
From: Carter Cathey
Subject: Re: Kegging ?
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I have blended beers before with mixed results. My suggestion would be to
pour a couple of glasses of each, blend them at different proportions, and
see if you have a preference. Then, you can blend at roughly the same ratio
in the new batch.
Also, if, for some reason, the blended beer has an off flavor, you haven't
ruined two nice batches of beer.
Carter
"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com > wrote in message
news:XvLch.12928$_H5.3291@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> Can you combine 2 less than full cornies into one keg?
>
> I have a Fat Tire Clone and a Belgian Tripple that are quite similar in
> taste. I have a 2 tap kegerator. I'd like to combine the two
> aforementioned brews to make room for a Sam Adams clone (now ready in the
> 2ndary fermentor).
>
> I'm thinking, just let the gas out of both kegs, combine the two (with a
> siphon) and then close and re-pressurize the full keg. I don't have any
> keg to keg jumpers set up so I thought this would be the easiest way.
>
> Will the Beer Gods approve of this behavior?
>
> Is blending beers going to go against any laws of nature?
>
> Of course I would be completely sanitary in my transfer (goes without
> saying).
>
> Thanks
>
> Cheers and Happy Holidays!
>
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 08:16:46
From: Stoutman
Subject: Re: Kegging ?
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"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com > wrote in
news:XvLch.12928$_H5.3291@tornado.texas.rr.com:
> Will the Beer Gods approve of this behavior?
>
> Is blending beers going to go against any laws of nature?
This is how porters evolved. Originally they were a blend of beers.
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