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Date: 19 Dec 2006 02:37:46
From: come on!!!!
Subject: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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Our friends the wine buffs make a great play out of tasteing, Is there a
correct way to taste beer , Is it the same. Or is it chug away.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 22:46:31
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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come on!!!! wrote:
> Our friends the wine buffs make a great play out of tasteing, Is there a
> correct way to taste beer , Is it the same. Or is it chug away.
>
>
It depends whether you are judging in a competition or just having a
brew. If I am trying a beer for the first time, whether a commercial
brew or a homebrew, I sniff it to check the aroma and hold it up to the
light to check color and clarity. I may do this a couple of times while
the beer warms up a bit. I then taste a bit and sniff again. Then I
chug away. If it's one I've had before, forget the sniffing and looking
stuff, just enjoy the beer. If you try to go through the whole BJCP
tasting and evaluation process, people will think you are an
insufferable beer snob (and rightly so) and run you out of the place. :)
Wayne
Bugeater Brewing Company
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 19:47:47
From: alebrewer
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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come on!!!! wrote:
> Our friends the wine buffs make a great play out of tasteing, Is there a
> correct way to taste beer , Is it the same. Or is it chug away.
Proving, again, that there IS a such thing as a stupid question.
I'm sorry if Mr. on!!!! finds that insulting (somehow, I really doubt
that), but, frankly, I find just about everything in his post rather
insulting.
Hurmph
ab
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 14:15:02
From: come on!!!!
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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"alebrewer" <alebrewer@wt.net > wrote in message
news:1166500067.928586.195800@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>
> come on!!!! wrote:
>> Our friends the wine buffs make a great play out of tasteing, Is there a
>> correct way to taste beer , Is it the same. Or is it chug away.
>
> Proving, again, that there IS a such thing as a stupid question.
>
> I'm sorry if Mr. on!!!! finds that insulting (somehow, I really doubt
> that), but, frankly, I find just about everything in his post rather
> insulting.
>
> Hurmph
>
> ab
>
Insulting, not in the least, No but I now have a good definition of inverted
snobbery.
You Mr Alebrewer are an arsehole, the question was asked in good faith, and
from a couple of the responses it seems that there is in fact a recognised
method of tasting. Obviously you were not aware of this fact and thanks to
my stupid question, you have been educated.
Hurmph, !!!!! Pathetic.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 12:51:45
From: Brian Foster
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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Alebrewer, have a homebrew and relax. Looks like you're getting a little
too much caffeine.
HoHoHo
(and no, I'm not talking about your sister, Mom, wife)
"alebrewer" <alebrewer@wt.net > wrote in message
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>
> come on!!!! wrote:
>> Our friends the wine buffs make a great play out of tasteing, Is there a
>> correct way to taste beer , Is it the same. Or is it chug away.
>
> Proving, again, that there IS a such thing as a stupid question.
>
> I'm sorry if Mr. on!!!! finds that insulting (somehow, I really doubt
> that), but, frankly, I find just about everything in his post rather
> insulting.
>
> Hurmph
>
> ab
>
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 16:49:59
From: Tom Biasi
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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Merry Christmas guys.
It looked that way to me at first ab. But the following posts suggest it may
have just been in the impersonality of the posted word.
And he didn't call you an asshole, he called you an arsehole if that makes
you feel any better:-)
Its the season for forgiving and having some cheer.
Tom
"alebrewer" <alebrewer@wt.net > wrote in message
news:1166500067.928586.195800@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>
> come on!!!! wrote:
>> Our friends the wine buffs make a great play out of tasteing, Is there a
>> correct way to taste beer , Is it the same. Or is it chug away.
>
> Proving, again, that there IS a such thing as a stupid question.
>
> I'm sorry if Mr. on!!!! finds that insulting (somehow, I really doubt
> that), but, frankly, I find just about everything in his post rather
> insulting.
>
> Hurmph
>
> ab
>
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 18:49:12
From: Boll Weevil Brewery
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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"Tom Biasi" <tombiasi@********optonline.net > wrote in message
news:98Zhh.28$3o1.11@newsfe10.lga...
> Merry Christmas guys.
>
> It looked that way to me at first ab. But the following posts suggest it
> may have just been in the impersonality of the posted word.
> And he didn't call you an asshole, he called you an arsehole if that makes
> you feel any better:-)
>
> Its the season for forgiving and having some cheer.
>
> Tom
>
>
> "alebrewer" <alebrewer@wt.net> wrote in message
> news:1166500067.928586.195800@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> come on!!!! wrote:
>>> Our friends the wine buffs make a great play out of tasteing, Is there a
>>> correct way to taste beer , Is it the same. Or is it chug away.
>>
>> Proving, again, that there IS a such thing as a stupid question.
>>
>> I'm sorry if Mr. on!!!! finds that insulting (somehow, I really doubt
>> that), but, frankly, I find just about everything in his post rather
>> insulting.
>>
>> Hurmph
>>
>> ab
>>
For what it's worth...I thought AB was the one that was out of line, I
didn't see anything wrong with the original post. I also have viewed the way
that wine tasters do their thing as a bit snobby (especially the part about
spitting out the wine, what a waste!)...so I thought he asked an honest
question and was jumped on after doing so.
But...as you said, "tis the season!"
*burp*
Ricky
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 17:20:58
From: Ed Edelenbos
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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I always thought repeatedly was the best way to taste beer.
Ed
(Since the serious answers were offered up I figured it was ok at this point
to have a little fun with it.)
"Tom Biasi" <tombiasi@********optonline.net > wrote in message
news:98Zhh.28$3o1.11@newsfe10.lga...
> Merry Christmas guys.
>
> It looked that way to me at first ab. But the following posts suggest it
> may have just been in the impersonality of the posted word.
> And he didn't call you an asshole, he called you an arsehole if that makes
> you feel any better:-)
>
> Its the season for forgiving and having some cheer.
>
> Tom
>
>
> "alebrewer" <alebrewer@wt.net> wrote in message
> news:1166500067.928586.195800@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> come on!!!! wrote:
>>> Our friends the wine buffs make a great play out of tasteing, Is there a
>>> correct way to taste beer , Is it the same. Or is it chug away.
>>
>> Proving, again, that there IS a such thing as a stupid question.
>>
>> I'm sorry if Mr. on!!!! finds that insulting (somehow, I really doubt
>> that), but, frankly, I find just about everything in his post rather
>> insulting.
>>
>> Hurmph
>>
>> ab
>>
>
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 10:18:31
From: Nick DeVito
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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Brian Foster wrote:
> Put beer in Glass.
>
> Pour beer into mouth.
>
> Repeat
>
Oh no! And all this time I've been swallowing before repeating :)
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 09:35:02
From: alebrewer
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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come on!!!! wrote:
> "alebrewer" <alebrewer@wt.net> wrote in message
> news:1166500067.928586.195800@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > come on!!!! wrote:
> >> Our friends the wine buffs make a great play out of tasteing, Is there a
> >> correct way to taste beer , Is it the same. Or is it chug away.
> >
> > Proving, again, that there IS a such thing as a stupid question.
> >
> > I'm sorry if Mr. on!!!! finds that insulting (somehow, I really doubt
> > that), but, frankly, I find just about everything in his post rather
> > insulting.
> >
> > Hurmph
> >
> > ab
> >
>
> Insulting, not in the least, No but I now have a good definition of inverted
> snobbery.
>
> You Mr Alebrewer are an arsehole, the question was asked in good faith, and
> from a couple of the responses it seems that there is in fact a recognised
> method of tasting. Obviously you were not aware of this fact and thanks to
> my stupid question, you have been educated.
>
> Hurmph, !!!!! Pathetic.
Oh, come on, come on!!!! You might as well have asked if there is a
correct way to suckle a teat.
Yes, a wine connoisseur will typically explore the wine in ways that
would seem unusual to an uninformed onlooker; unusual to the point of
being seen as making "a great play", and often mocked. But, to
conclude that such behavior is "the correct way" to taste wine is,
well, just plain stupid. Which, of course, it the basis for the
mockery of the wine taster.
Your post was clearly a troll as well as a backsided insult towards
wine connoisseurs. If it was offered in good faith, you would have not
even brought up wine tasting and merely asked what a beer judge looks
for when tasting and evaluating beers. Your purpose in asking the
question was not to find out that information (you don't know any more
about that now than before), but, obvously, to try and start something;
i.e., a troll.
And, your calling me an asshole is just plain childish (which,
actuallty, isn't very surprising).
ab
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 17:59:56
From: come on!!!!
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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Sorry ab but both your deductions and conclusions are wrong, I hope your not
a detective. These news groups provide for both the novice (thats me) and
the expert (you!!!) and all levels in between.
The whole world and his dog is aware of wine tasting and the pretense that
can go with it, but I've yet to see or hear of anybody doing the same with
beers.
So my "stupid" question was in good faith, I'm not trolling nor insulting
the wine fraternity, and how you can read such into a simple post is beyond
me.
Then somebody posts briefly about tasteing in compertion, so there is
defacto a way to taste and compare beers.
So yes you are an arsehole,and you are an arsehole for the following reasons
you could have a) not answered b)said its not the done thing c) said they do
it in this fashion in compertion. None of which required you to be either
sarcastic nor insulting.
You have never seen me post before, I've never heard of you before, I
personally hope never to hear from you again.
Would you per chance be related to Melvin at alt.pipe.org. He, like you, is
a self gloryify humourless prig.
"alebrewer" <alebrewer@wt.net > wrote in message
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>
> come on!!!! wrote:
>> "alebrewer" <alebrewer@wt.net> wrote in message
>> news:1166500067.928586.195800@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > come on!!!! wrote:
>> >> Our friends the wine buffs make a great play out of tasteing, Is there
>> >> a
>> >> correct way to taste beer , Is it the same. Or is it chug away.
>> >
>> > Proving, again, that there IS a such thing as a stupid question.
>> >
>> > I'm sorry if Mr. on!!!! finds that insulting (somehow, I really doubt
>> > that), but, frankly, I find just about everything in his post rather
>> > insulting.
>> >
>> > Hurmph
>> >
>> > ab
>> >
>>
>> Insulting, not in the least, No but I now have a good definition of
>> inverted
>> snobbery.
>>
>> You Mr Alebrewer are an arsehole, the question was asked in good faith,
>> and
>> from a couple of the responses it seems that there is in fact a
>> recognised
>> method of tasting. Obviously you were not aware of this fact and thanks
>> to
>> my stupid question, you have been educated.
>>
>> Hurmph, !!!!! Pathetic.
>
> Oh, come on, come on!!!! You might as well have asked if there is a
> correct way to suckle a teat.
>
> Yes, a wine connoisseur will typically explore the wine in ways that
> would seem unusual to an uninformed onlooker; unusual to the point of
> being seen as making "a great play", and often mocked. But, to
> conclude that such behavior is "the correct way" to taste wine is,
> well, just plain stupid. Which, of course, it the basis for the
> mockery of the wine taster.
>
> Your post was clearly a troll as well as a backsided insult towards
> wine connoisseurs. If it was offered in good faith, you would have not
> even brought up wine tasting and merely asked what a beer judge looks
> for when tasting and evaluating beers. Your purpose in asking the
> question was not to find out that information (you don't know any more
> about that now than before), but, obvously, to try and start something;
> i.e., a troll.
>
> And, your calling me an asshole is just plain childish (which,
> actuallty, isn't very surprising).
>
> ab
>
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 12:49:29
From: Brian Foster
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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Put beer in Glass.
Pour beer into mouth.
Repeat
"come on!!!!" <spam@spammersare.sad.com > wrote in message
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> Our friends the wine buffs make a great play out of tasteing, Is there a
> correct way to taste beer , Is it the same. Or is it chug away.
>
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 13:26:56
From: M Lawson
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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"come on!!!!" <spam@spammersare.sad.com > wrote in message
news:_fIhh.17849$HV6.3865@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
> Our friends the wine buffs make a great play out of tasteing, Is there a
> correct way to taste beer , Is it the same. Or is it chug away.
>
>
The 'correct way' is the way that gives you the most satisfaction which may
(or may not) be the way that others 'get there'.
IMHO, down the first as fast as you like to get rid of any residual dust in
your gullet and then savour the 2nd & 3rd etc.
Bear in mind that, like wine, a 'good' beer is one that you enjoy regardless
of the price, container type and 'expert, world reknown' taster's opinion
(or that of anyone here). It is, after all, only one person's opinion.
Instead concentrate on what your mouth tells you.
One final note, when you do find a 'good one', for heavens sake, take a note
of it. Life's too short to be sampling crap beer/wine.
Me
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 15:21:45
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:26:56 +1300, <a@b.com > wrote:
>
> "come on!!!!" <spam@spammersare.sad.com> wrote in message
> news:_fIhh.17849$HV6.3865@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
>> Our friends the wine buffs make a great play out of tasteing, Is there a
>> correct way to taste beer , Is it the same. Or is it chug away.
>>
>>
>
> The 'correct way' is the way that gives you the most satisfaction which may
> (or may not) be the way that others 'get there'.
IMO, that's definitely the best answer!
John.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 11:36:24
From: Denny Conn
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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Just Another Bob wrote:
>
> Denny Conn wrote:
>
> All kinds of great stuff.
>
> > --------->Denny
> > --
> > Life begins at 60...1.060, that is.
>
> Hey Denny - Great answer to this question! I just recognized your
> signature. I've been away from brewing (and RCB) for about five years,
> and have just recently come back to both. Nice to see you are still
> around after all this time. -Bob
Thanks, Bob! Definitely still around....it's too much fun to quit!
---------- >Denny
--
Life begins at 60...1.060, that is.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 11:28:44
From: Just Another Bob
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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Denny Conn wrote:
All kinds of great stuff.
> --------->Denny
> --
> Life begins at 60...1.060, that is.
Hey Denny - Great answer to this question! I just recognized your
signature. I've been away from brewing (and RCB) for about five years,
and have just recently come back to both. Nice to see you are still
around after all this time. -Bob
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 10:45:41
From: Denny Conn
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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"come on!!!!" wrote:
>
> Our friends the wine buffs make a great play out of tasteing, Is there a
> correct way to taste beer , Is it the same. Or is it chug away.
To actually critically taste beer is not much different from what wine
tasters do, with the exception that beer tasters (judges) don't spit the
beer out. I was doing a newspaper interview once and the interviewer
asked me if beer judges were as pretentious as wine tasters. I went
through tasting a beer and describing it for him and he said "Yep!".
But that's what's necessary to critically analyze a beer....it isn't
just a "show" that's put on. Here's the procedure recommended by the
BJCP Study Guide....
1. Prepare a score sheet. Write the entry number, style category and
subcategory names and numbers, your name, and any other necessary
information (e.g., judge rank, e-mail address) on a score sheet.
2. Visually inspect the bottle (if given the bottle). Check the bottle
for fill level, clarity, sediment, and signs of problems (e.g., a ring
around the neck of the bottle). Identification of such characteristics
may be helpful in describing flaws that are discovered during the formal
evaluation process. However, be careful not to prejudge the beer based
on a visual inspection of the bottle.
3. Pour the beer into clean sampling cup, making an effort to agitate
the beer enough to produce a generous head (but not enough to produce a
head large enough to interfere with drinking the beer). For highly
carbonated beers, this may require pouring carefully into a tilted cup.
For beers with low carbonation, this may require pouring directly into
the center of the cup, with a 6 inch drop from the bottle. It is
important that the same pouring technique be used for all of the beers
in a flight.
4. Smell the beer. As soon as the beer is poured, swirl the cup, bring
it to your nose, and inhale the beer's aroma several times. When a beer
is cold, it may be necessary to swirl the beer in the cup, warm the beer
by holding it between your hands, or putting your hand on the top of the
cup to allow the volatiles to accumulate in a great enough concentration
to be detected. Write your impressions of the beers aromas.
Particularly, note any off aromas that you detect. Do not assign scores
for aroma yet.
5. Visually inspect the beer. Give your nose a rest, and score the
appearance of the beer. Tilt the cup, and examine it through
backlighting. For darker beers, it may be necessary to use a small
flashlight to adequately illuminate the beer. Examine the beer's color,
clarity, and head retention. Write comments about the degree to which
the color, clarity, and head retention are appropriate for the intended
style and record a score. Score the beer for appearance, allocating a
maximum of one point for each of these characteristics.
6. Smell the beer again. Again, swirl the cup, bring it to your nose,
and inhale the beer's aromas several times. Note how the beer's aroma
changes as the beer warms and the volatiles begin to dissipate. Write
your impressions of the beers aromas, noting particularly the
appropriateness of the malt, hops, yeast, and fermentation byproduct
aromas. Also, note any lingering off aromas. Do not assign scores for
aroma yet.
7. Taste the beer. Take about 1 ounce of beer into your mouth, and coat
the inside of your mouth with it. Be sure to allow the beer to make
contact with your lips, gums, teeth, palate, and the top, bottom, and
sides of your tongue. Swallow the beer, and exhale through your nose.
Write down your impressions of the initial flavors of the beer (malt,
hops, alcohol, sweetness), intermediate flavors (additional hop/malt
flavor, fruitiness, diacetyl, sourness), aftertaste (hop bitterness,
oxidation, astringency), and conditioning (appropriateness of level for
style). Do not assign scores for flavor yet.
8. Score the beer for body (mouthfeel on the new). Take another
mouthful of beer and note the appropriateness of the beer's viscosity
for the intended style. Write comments concerning your impression and
assign between 2 and 5 points with higher numbers reflecting appropriate
mouthfeel and lower numbers indicating increasing levels of lightness or
heaviness for the intended style.
9. Evaluate the beer for overall impression. Relax. Take a deep
breath. Smell the beer again, and taste it again. Pause to consider
where the beer belongs in the overall range of scores (e.g., excellent,
very good, good, drinkable, problem) and where similar beers are ranked
within the judging flight. If you use a top-down decision making
strategy, assign an overall score to the beer, then mentally subtract
points from the remaining subcategories (i.e., aroma and flavor),
consistent with your impressions of how the beer is deficient. Use the
overall impression category to adjust your final score to the level you
feel is appropriate for this beer. If you use a bottom-up decision
making strategy, assign scores to each of the remaining subcategories
(i.e., aroma and flavor), and assign a score for overall impression.
Finally, write prescriptive suggestions for improving the beer in light
of any deficiencies you noted in your evaluation. Also, check any boxes
on the left side of the score sheet that are consistent with your
comments.
--------- >Denny
--
Life begins at 60...1.060, that is.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 19:23:21
From: come on!!!!
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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Thank you Denny, I thought there might be a method.
"Denny Conn" <denny.g.conn@ci.eugene.or.us > wrote in message
news:45883355.BB8C002F@ci.eugene.or.us...
> "come on!!!!" wrote:
>>
>> Our friends the wine buffs make a great play out of tasteing, Is there a
>> correct way to taste beer , Is it the same. Or is it chug away.
>
> To actually critically taste beer is not much different from what wine
> tasters do, with the exception that beer tasters (judges) don't spit the
> beer out. I was doing a newspaper interview once and the interviewer
> asked me if beer judges were as pretentious as wine tasters. I went
> through tasting a beer and describing it for him and he said "Yep!".
> But that's what's necessary to critically analyze a beer....it isn't
> just a "show" that's put on. Here's the procedure recommended by the
> BJCP Study Guide....
>
>
> 1. Prepare a score sheet. Write the entry number, style category and
> subcategory names and numbers, your name, and any other necessary
> information (e.g., judge rank, e-mail address) on a score sheet.
> 2. Visually inspect the bottle (if given the bottle). Check the bottle
> for fill level, clarity, sediment, and signs of problems (e.g., a ring
> around the neck of the bottle). Identification of such characteristics
> may be helpful in describing flaws that are discovered during the formal
> evaluation process. However, be careful not to prejudge the beer based
> on a visual inspection of the bottle.
> 3. Pour the beer into clean sampling cup, making an effort to agitate
> the beer enough to produce a generous head (but not enough to produce a
> head large enough to interfere with drinking the beer). For highly
> carbonated beers, this may require pouring carefully into a tilted cup.
> For beers with low carbonation, this may require pouring directly into
> the center of the cup, with a 6 inch drop from the bottle. It is
> important that the same pouring technique be used for all of the beers
> in a flight.
> 4. Smell the beer. As soon as the beer is poured, swirl the cup, bring
> it to your nose, and inhale the beer's aroma several times. When a beer
> is cold, it may be necessary to swirl the beer in the cup, warm the beer
> by holding it between your hands, or putting your hand on the top of the
> cup to allow the volatiles to accumulate in a great enough concentration
> to be detected. Write your impressions of the beers aromas.
> Particularly, note any off aromas that you detect. Do not assign scores
> for aroma yet.
> 5. Visually inspect the beer. Give your nose a rest, and score the
> appearance of the beer. Tilt the cup, and examine it through
> backlighting. For darker beers, it may be necessary to use a small
> flashlight to adequately illuminate the beer. Examine the beer's color,
> clarity, and head retention. Write comments about the degree to which
> the color, clarity, and head retention are appropriate for the intended
> style and record a score. Score the beer for appearance, allocating a
> maximum of one point for each of these characteristics.
> 6. Smell the beer again. Again, swirl the cup, bring it to your nose,
> and inhale the beer's aromas several times. Note how the beer's aroma
> changes as the beer warms and the volatiles begin to dissipate. Write
> your impressions of the beers aromas, noting particularly the
> appropriateness of the malt, hops, yeast, and fermentation byproduct
> aromas. Also, note any lingering off aromas. Do not assign scores for
> aroma yet.
> 7. Taste the beer. Take about 1 ounce of beer into your mouth, and coat
> the inside of your mouth with it. Be sure to allow the beer to make
> contact with your lips, gums, teeth, palate, and the top, bottom, and
> sides of your tongue. Swallow the beer, and exhale through your nose.
> Write down your impressions of the initial flavors of the beer (malt,
> hops, alcohol, sweetness), intermediate flavors (additional hop/malt
> flavor, fruitiness, diacetyl, sourness), aftertaste (hop bitterness,
> oxidation, astringency), and conditioning (appropriateness of level for
> style). Do not assign scores for flavor yet.
> 8. Score the beer for body (mouthfeel on the new). Take another
> mouthful of beer and note the appropriateness of the beer's viscosity
> for the intended style. Write comments concerning your impression and
> assign between 2 and 5 points with higher numbers reflecting appropriate
> mouthfeel and lower numbers indicating increasing levels of lightness or
> heaviness for the intended style.
> 9. Evaluate the beer for overall impression. Relax. Take a deep
> breath. Smell the beer again, and taste it again. Pause to consider
> where the beer belongs in the overall range of scores (e.g., excellent,
> very good, good, drinkable, problem) and where similar beers are ranked
> within the judging flight. If you use a top-down decision making
> strategy, assign an overall score to the beer, then mentally subtract
> points from the remaining subcategories (i.e., aroma and flavor),
> consistent with your impressions of how the beer is deficient. Use the
> overall impression category to adjust your final score to the level you
> feel is appropriate for this beer. If you use a bottom-up decision
> making strategy, assign scores to each of the remaining subcategories
> (i.e., aroma and flavor), and assign a score for overall impression.
> Finally, write prescriptive suggestions for improving the beer in light
> of any deficiencies you noted in your evaluation. Also, check any boxes
> on the left side of the score sheet that are consistent with your
> comments.
>
>
> --------->Denny
> --
> Life begins at 60...1.060, that is.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 17:55:00
From: DragonTail
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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The latest issue of Brew (Your Own) magazine actually has an article
that goes through the process. Pretty much the same as Denny listed. I
just read it today at lunch.
Cheers,
--
Michael Herrenbruck
Dragon Tail Ale
Drunken Bee Mead
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 17:15:47
From: DragonTail
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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come on!!!! wrote:
> Thank you Denny, I thought there might be a method.
>
>
> "Denny Conn" <denny.g.conn@ci.eugene.or.us> wrote in message
> news:45883355.BB8C002F@ci.eugene.or.us...
>> "come on!!!!" wrote:
>>> Our friends the wine buffs make a great play out of tasteing, Is there a
>>> correct way to taste beer , Is it the same. Or is it chug away.
>> To actually critically taste beer is not much different from what wine
>> tasters do, with the exception that beer tasters (judges) don't spit the
>> beer out. I was doing a newspaper interview once and the interviewer
>> asked me if beer judges were as pretentious as wine tasters. I went
>> through tasting a beer and describing it for him and he said "Yep!".
>> But that's what's necessary to critically analyze a beer....it isn't
>> just a "show" that's put on. Here's the procedure recommended by the
>> BJCP Study Guide....
>>
>>
>> 1. Prepare a score sheet. Write the entry number, style category and
>> subcategory names and numbers, your name, and any other necessary
>> information (e.g., judge rank, e-mail address) on a score sheet.
>> 2. Visually inspect the bottle (if given the bottle). Check the bottle
>> for fill level, clarity, sediment, and signs of problems (e.g., a ring
>> around the neck of the bottle). Identification of such characteristics
>> may be helpful in describing flaws that are discovered during the formal
>> evaluation process. However, be careful not to prejudge the beer based
>> on a visual inspection of the bottle.
>> 3. Pour the beer into clean sampling cup, making an effort to agitate
>> the beer enough to produce a generous head (but not enough to produce a
>> head large enough to interfere with drinking the beer). For highly
>> carbonated beers, this may require pouring carefully into a tilted cup.
>> For beers with low carbonation, this may require pouring directly into
>> the center of the cup, with a 6 inch drop from the bottle. It is
>> important that the same pouring technique be used for all of the beers
>> in a flight.
>> 4. Smell the beer. As soon as the beer is poured, swirl the cup, bring
>> it to your nose, and inhale the beer's aroma several times. When a beer
>> is cold, it may be necessary to swirl the beer in the cup, warm the beer
>> by holding it between your hands, or putting your hand on the top of the
>> cup to allow the volatiles to accumulate in a great enough concentration
>> to be detected. Write your impressions of the beers aromas.
>> Particularly, note any off aromas that you detect. Do not assign scores
>> for aroma yet.
>> 5. Visually inspect the beer. Give your nose a rest, and score the
>> appearance of the beer. Tilt the cup, and examine it through
>> backlighting. For darker beers, it may be necessary to use a small
>> flashlight to adequately illuminate the beer. Examine the beer's color,
>> clarity, and head retention. Write comments about the degree to which
>> the color, clarity, and head retention are appropriate for the intended
>> style and record a score. Score the beer for appearance, allocating a
>> maximum of one point for each of these characteristics.
>> 6. Smell the beer again. Again, swirl the cup, bring it to your nose,
>> and inhale the beer's aromas several times. Note how the beer's aroma
>> changes as the beer warms and the volatiles begin to dissipate. Write
>> your impressions of the beers aromas, noting particularly the
>> appropriateness of the malt, hops, yeast, and fermentation byproduct
>> aromas. Also, note any lingering off aromas. Do not assign scores for
>> aroma yet.
>> 7. Taste the beer. Take about 1 ounce of beer into your mouth, and coat
>> the inside of your mouth with it. Be sure to allow the beer to make
>> contact with your lips, gums, teeth, palate, and the top, bottom, and
>> sides of your tongue. Swallow the beer, and exhale through your nose.
>> Write down your impressions of the initial flavors of the beer (malt,
>> hops, alcohol, sweetness), intermediate flavors (additional hop/malt
>> flavor, fruitiness, diacetyl, sourness), aftertaste (hop bitterness,
>> oxidation, astringency), and conditioning (appropriateness of level for
>> style). Do not assign scores for flavor yet.
>> 8. Score the beer for body (mouthfeel on the new). Take another
>> mouthful of beer and note the appropriateness of the beer's viscosity
>> for the intended style. Write comments concerning your impression and
>> assign between 2 and 5 points with higher numbers reflecting appropriate
>> mouthfeel and lower numbers indicating increasing levels of lightness or
>> heaviness for the intended style.
>> 9. Evaluate the beer for overall impression. Relax. Take a deep
>> breath. Smell the beer again, and taste it again. Pause to consider
>> where the beer belongs in the overall range of scores (e.g., excellent,
>> very good, good, drinkable, problem) and where similar beers are ranked
>> within the judging flight. If you use a top-down decision making
>> strategy, assign an overall score to the beer, then mentally subtract
>> points from the remaining subcategories (i.e., aroma and flavor),
>> consistent with your impressions of how the beer is deficient. Use the
>> overall impression category to adjust your final score to the level you
>> feel is appropriate for this beer. If you use a bottom-up decision
>> making strategy, assign scores to each of the remaining subcategories
>> (i.e., aroma and flavor), and assign a score for overall impression.
>> Finally, write prescriptive suggestions for improving the beer in light
>> of any deficiencies you noted in your evaluation. Also, check any boxes
>> on the left side of the score sheet that are consistent with your
>> comments.
>>
>>
>> --------->Denny
>> --
>> Life begins at 60...1.060, that is.
>
>
The latest issue of Brew (Your Own) magazine actually has an article
that goes through the process. Pretty much the same as Denny listed. I
just read it today at lunch.
Cheers.
--
Michael Herrenbruck
Dragon Tail Ale
Drunken Bee Mead
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 08:39:30
From: Chris Sprague
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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Just Another Bob wrote:
> Hey Chris,
>
> Can you give an example of what you consider to be microswill?
Typo. I meant macroswill :)
- Chris
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 13:29:27
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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Chris Sprague wrote:
> Just Another Bob wrote:
>
>> Hey Chris,
>>
>> Can you give an example of what you consider to be microswill?
>
> Typo. I meant macroswill :)
However there's plenty of crappy swill out there offered by small
breweries -- to much to count.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 08:28:47
From: Just Another Bob
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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Chris Sprague wrote:
Many of the regulars there can
> appreciate a well crafted beer, particularly some of the better
> Belgians, and realize that the beer world has more to offer than
> microswill.
>
Hey Chris,
Can you give an example of what you consider to be microswill? I think
the general opinion is that micro typically equals good, and that your
swills come from the more macro side of the fence... However, your use
of the term microswill seems to indicate that maybe you think the
American micro and craft brew movement has gone too far too fast or
something along those lines. It's an interesting and somewhat
out-of-the-normal comment, but I can sort of see where you're coming
from. Some of the "micros" out there are pretty unbalanced in favor of
hops. I've purchased six packs of micros at the local liquor store
that, if they were my own homeberw, I'd probably toss the recipe...
But still, it's kind of strange to see micros referred to as "swill."
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 07:52:57
From: Chris Sprague
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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come on!!!! wrote:
> The whole world and his dog is aware of wine tasting and the pretense that
> can go with it, but I've yet to see or hear of anybody doing the same with
> beers.
Perhaps I'm in the odd position of being both an avid all-grain
home-brewer, and an increasingly serious oenophile. I see no
contradiction here, and I think that if you posed this question to
alt.food.wine, you might be surprised to find it met with less snobbery
than your post was met with here! Many of the regulars there can
appreciate a well crafted beer, particularly some of the better
Belgians, and realize that the beer world has more to offer than
microswill.
As for all of the pretense that can go with tasting, I admit that some
people seem to do it more for show than actual information gathering,
but I don't feel that any of the common wine tasting antics are
inherently pretentious. Using an appropriate glass really does help
show off a given wine's aromas, and who here doesn't own a chalice or
tupip glass or two for certain styles of beer?
Swirling the wine around creates a thin coating on the side of the
glass which increases the rate of evaporation, thereby increasing
aroma. I was doing that with Trappist ales before I was seriously into
wine...
Proper serving temp? Ditto. Checking for clarity and color? Ditto.
In short, most of the common wine-tasting exercises really do provide
valueable information to the taster, and to dismiss it as snobbery is
really a thinly veiled form of snobbery in and of itself. Not doing
something in order to avoid being associated with some perceived image
is just as bad as doing something FOR the image. Both people are doing
it because of image. Forget that crap and dive in, and enjoy. You
might be surprised.
My $0.02. And I'm quite sure the OP posted his question in good faith.
- Chris
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 06:58:01
From: splendidmike
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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woops, on second look, this is not the current issue, but you can order
back issues.
m
splendidmike wrote:
> The content is pretty similar to what Denny posted, but in the latest
> issue of Brew Your Own, there is an article on what a beer judge does,
> including everything from opening the beer to tasting it and scoring
> it. You can get a free trial issue at http://byo.com/, although I'm not
> sure it'll still be that issue by the time they process it...worth a
> shot though. It's still free even if it's the wrong issue.
>
> Mike
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 06:55:51
From: splendidmike
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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The content is pretty similar to what Denny posted, but in the latest
issue of Brew Your Own, there is an article on what a beer judge does,
including everything from opening the beer to tasting it and scoring
it. You can get a free trial issue at http://byo.com/, although I'm not
sure it'll still be that issue by the time they process it...worth a
shot though. It's still free even if it's the wrong issue.
Mike
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 18:14:27
From: Chris Sprague
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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John Krehbiel wrote:
> Not to hijack the thread, but I wondered if any American microbreweries
> or brewpubs specialized in traditional British styles, brewed as you
> would find them in Great Britain. The brands exported here from England
> are export versions, as I understand it.
The Shipyard Brewing Co. in Portland, ME, was founded by Alan Pugsley,
a UK citizen by birth, who (IIRC) worked for the Ringwood Brewery in
England before emigrating to the US and founding his brewery stateside.
They actually contract brew Old Thumper for US distribution. As far
as I know, they brew, in large part, fairly traditional British style
ales.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 17:27:51
From: John Krehbiel
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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Just Another Bob wrote:
<snip >
> Some of the "micros" out there are pretty unbalanced in favor of
> hops. I've purchased six packs of micros at the local liquor store
> that, if they were my own homeberw, I'd probably toss the recipe...
> But still, it's kind of strange to see micros referred to as "swill."
I agree that many microbrews are unbalanced towards hops, but some
people like that. (not me, but then I don't have to drink stuff I don't
like, do I?)
Not to hijack the thread, but I wondered if any American microbreweries
or brewpubs specialized in traditional British styles, brewed as you
would find them in Great Britain. The brands exported here from England
are export versions, as I understand it.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 18:37:17
From: Don Salad
Subject: Re: Is there a correct way to taste beer
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"come on!!!!" <spam@spammersare.sad.com > wrote:
> Our friends the wine buffs make a great play out of tasteing, Is there a
> correct way to taste beer , Is it the same. Or is it chug away.
Through the mouth.
It's a lot worse the other way.
Thanks,
Don
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