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Date: 08 Oct 2006 22:18:12
From: Adam Preble
Subject: I want to add some hop flavor and aroma after boil with pellets
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I've seen some posts here and there on the topic but nothing specific to
my question. I have a lager I plan to bottle. I don't like it's flavor
in the keg, and I want to mask some of it with hops. I got myself some
French Spalt hops with a very low AA rating--I don't want much
additional bitterness. My plan is to boil it with the bottling sugar
for about 20 minutes, with a small additional at 6 minutes. Will this
give me a flavor hop contribution?
There's been some old thoughts that wort is needed. I have a little bit
of extra light DME I can surrender towards this. Will that help
instead? Finally, will a large tea ball keep most of the solids w/o
considerably dimishing the flavor extraction? It's my understanding it
does hurt for bitterness. I don't know if pellet hops would just glob
out of the ball.
I guess I could boil all together, run through a coffee filter, and then
boil a little bit more with the sugar added in order to clean up the mess.
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Date: 08 Oct 2006 20:55:05
From:
Subject: Re: I want to add some hop flavor and aroma after boil with pellets
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Adam Preble wrote:
> I've seen some posts here and there on the topic but nothing specific to
> my question. I have a lager I plan to bottle. I don't like it's flavor
> in the keg, and I want to mask some of it with hops. I got myself some
> French Spalt hops with a very low AA rating--I don't want much
> additional bitterness. My plan is to boil it with the bottling sugar
> for about 20 minutes, with a small additional at 6 minutes. Will this
> give me a flavor hop contribution?
It will give a bit of flavor and a good deal of bitterness. I tried
doing hop teas for bittering for a few batches, and it seemed to work
too well. You get much better than expected utilization and
isomerization. It was as if I had used 50% more hops. Also the
bitterness was very sharp. Not really harsh, but very authoritative.
>
> There's been some old thoughts that wort is needed. I have a little bit
> of extra light DME I can surrender towards this. Will that help
> instead? Finally, will a large tea ball keep most of the solids w/o
> considerably dimishing the flavor extraction? It's my understanding it
> does hurt for bitterness. I don't know if pellet hops would just glob
> out of the ball.
>
> I guess I could boil all together, run through a coffee filter, and then
> boil a little bit more with the sugar added in order to clean up the mess.
Danger Will Robinson. You better have a bunch of coffee filters. They
will clog up fast. As to a teaball, I think a fair amount of the
pellets will come out. I get some hops in the wort even when I use a
fine mesh hop bag and tie off the neck.
Bryan
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 04:07:00
From: Adam Preble
Subject: Re: I want to add some hop flavor and aroma after boil with pellets
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yournotauser@gmail.com wrote:
> It will give a bit of flavor and a good deal of bitterness. I tried
> doing hop teas for bittering for a few batches, and it seemed to work
> too well. You get much better than expected utilization and
> isomerization. It was as if I had used 50% more hops. Also the
> bitterness was very sharp. Not really harsh, but very authoritative.
If that's the case, then it must be like real tea leaves. That is,
seeping them for just a few minutes in hot (not boiling) water should do
the job.
I might just try it because I have some very high AA hops I got in a
bunch that I wouldn't normally use. Methinks if I can seep them without
much bitterness, then this low AA hop will be perfectly fine.
> Danger Will Robinson. You better have a bunch of coffee filters. They
> will clog up fast. As to a teaball, I think a fair amount of the
> pellets will come out. I get some hops in the wort even when I use a
> fine mesh hop bag and tie off the neck.
Noted. I wish now I had gotten whole leaf hops instead, but I've never
played with them before.
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Date: 08 Oct 2006 16:23:55
From: John Krehbiel
Subject: Re: I want to add some hop flavor and aroma after boil with pellets
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Just a guess, but if you boil hops in plain sugar, I'd bet that you
will extract tannins.
I think dry hopping is what you want.
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Date: 08 Oct 2006 19:16:30
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: I want to add some hop flavor and aroma after boil with pellets
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John Krehbiel wrote:
> Just a guess, but if you boil hops in plain sugar, I'd bet that you
> will extract tannins.
>
> I think dry hopping is what you want.
>
I'm not too crazy about dry-hopped Spalt, personally. Tastes fairly
grassy. A good compromise is to steam the hops for 15-20 minutes, *then*
dry-hop. This technique, while it is somewhat hit and miss, hits more
often than it misses. With a little luck, you get good hop aroma and
flavor without the grassiness that you'd normally get dry-hopping with
noble hops. I've done a few bo-pils this way -- most have been pretty good.
To steam the hops, put them in a hop bag and put the hop bag in a
colander. Put the colander in a larger pot filled with boiling water --
but not enough to wet the hops directly. Cover and leave them in for
15-20 minutes. Then just drop the bag in the keg. Remove after 7-10 days.
I almost guarantee you'll probably like the results.
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 04:04:43
From: Adam Preble
Subject: Re: I want to add some hop flavor and aroma after boil with pellets
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The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty wrote:
> To steam the hops, put them in a hop bag and put the hop bag in a
> colander. Put the colander in a larger pot filled with boiling water --
> but not enough to wet the hops directly. Cover and leave them in for
> 15-20 minutes. Then just drop the bag in the keg. Remove after 7-10 days.
>
> I almost guarantee you'll probably like the results.
>
I was hoping to bottle the beer sooner than later, but I'll try this if
I can't get a faster solution. The hops are very low AA so I am less
paranoid about bitterness, as long as the process I do doesn't primarily
bitter.
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Date: 08 Oct 2006 16:40:46
From: Scott Lindner
Subject: Re: I want to add some hop flavor and aroma after boil with pellets
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What sort of hop flavor are you looking for? Bitterness or the taste and
aroma of fresh hops?
You may not need to go through all of the effort of making a hop tea to get
what you want. Maybe dry hopping is what you are looking for?
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 04:02:19
From: Adam Preble
Subject: Re: I want to add some hop flavor and aroma after boil with pellets
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Scott Lindner wrote:
> What sort of hop flavor are you looking for? Bitterness or the taste and
> aroma of fresh hops?
I want minimal bitterness, a minor aroma contribution, and a maximum
flavor. These Spalt hops are 1.8% AA so I can do something that might
normally be too bitter, but I want the end result to have the flavor.
> You may not need to go through all of the effort of making a hop tea to get
> what you want. Maybe dry hopping is what you are looking for?
Doesn't dry hopping maximize aroma?
I'm wondering if I want to do something like a first wort hopping. That
is, steep at ~150F for awhile and then boil 15 minutes or something.
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 09:23:08
From: Spitzbuben
Subject: Re: I want to add some hop flavor and aroma after boil with pellets
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Keep in mind that carbonation will accentuate hops (especially
bitterness). Tasting the uncarbonated beer is not a good reflection
on the final products taste (malt and hops), although it helps to a
certain extent.
Spitzbuben
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 21:57:16
From: Adam Preble
Subject: Re: I want to add some hop flavor and aroma after boil with pellets
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Spitzbuben wrote:
> Keep in mind that carbonation will accentuate hops (especially
> bitterness). Tasting the uncarbonated beer is not a good reflection
> on the final products taste (malt and hops), although it helps to a
> certain extent.
Understood. I've been testing with a kegged batch and have found it a
little bland. There's also a light metallic off-flavor. It probably
has something to do with this being my first keg experiment. I want to
get the rest of the beer into bottles and out of the kegerator. I think
some extra flavor hops will override that off-taste a little and give it
a better character overall.
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