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Date: 29 Oct 2006 18:15:34
From: Tater
Subject: I really dont like beer, is it because commercial stuff is crud?
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i keep hearing about how homebrew beer is much better than commercial
beer, and have been wondering, maybe the reason i dont like beer is
that all the beer i've tried has been bad beer.
on the other hand, i really like soda, and have heard that you can
"brew" your own root beer and such with brewing equipment.
part of the reason i am looking into this, is that i've just bought my
first house, and now have room to actually do some projects like this.
on the property is a bunch of plum bushes, maybe i can migrate to plum
wine (which i've tried and DO like)
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 19:31:34
From:
Subject: Re: I really dont like beer, is it because commercial stuff is crud?
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Tater wrote:
> i keep hearing about how homebrew beer is much better than commercial
> beer, and have been wondering, maybe the reason i dont like beer is
> that all the beer i've tried has been bad beer.
>
> on the other hand, i really like soda, and have heard that you can
> "brew" your own root beer and such with brewing equipment.
>
> part of the reason i am looking into this, is that i've just bought my
> first house, and now have room to actually do some projects like this.
> on the property is a bunch of plum bushes, maybe i can migrate to plum
> wine (which i've tried and DO like)
Not all commercial beer is crud. Actually most commercial beers are
pretty decent representations of their styles. The big issue is that
most most commercial beers are American Light Lager style, and that may
not be a style that appeals to you. The easiest thing would be to buy
several different styles of commercial beer and see what you like.
Look for pale ale, oktoberfest, bock, stout, porter, things like that.
If you find something you like, you can usually, with a bit of
practice, make beers comparable or better than most commercial ones.
If you don't find any beer styles that appeal to you you can try wines.
Either standard grape wines, or fruit wines like you mention.
Bryan
p.s. What are "plum bushes"? Last time I looked plums came from
trees. Maybe you have dwarf plum trees?
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 21:54:35
From: Gwidman
Subject: Re: I really dont like beer, is it because commercial stuff is crud?
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"Tater" <tater1337@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1162174534.230250.204400@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>i keep hearing about how homebrew beer is much better than commercial
> beer, and have been wondering, maybe the reason i dont like beer is
> that all the beer i've tried has been bad beer.
>
> on the other hand, i really like soda, and have heard that you can
> "brew" your own root beer and such with brewing equipment.
>
> part of the reason i am looking into this, is that i've just bought my
> first house, and now have room to actually do some projects like this.
> on the property is a bunch of plum bushes, maybe i can migrate to plum
> wine (which i've tried and DO like)
Tater,
Check out rec.crafts.winemaking. They can answer all your questions. You
may have a gold mine with all your plums!
gw
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 17:38:43
From: Duke
Subject: Re: I really dont like beer, is it because commercial stuff is crud?
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"Tater" <tater1337@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1162174534.230250.204400@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>i keep hearing about how homebrew beer is much better than commercial
> beer, and have been wondering, maybe the reason i dont like beer is
> that all the beer i've tried has been bad beer.
>
> on the other hand, i really like soda, and have heard that you can
> "brew" your own root beer and such with brewing equipment.
>
> part of the reason i am looking into this, is that i've just bought my
> first house, and now have room to actually do some projects like this.
> on the property is a bunch of plum bushes, maybe i can migrate to plum
> wine (which i've tried and DO like)
>
My suggestion would be to find a brew pub. They usually offer "samplers" of
all the beers they brew on premise. If you find something you like you can
explore further into that style by trying different beers from different
brewers. What homebrewing really does is give the brewer a chance to
accentuate what they really like about beer, therefore giving them a
"better" beer. It's all opinion !
HTH,
Duke
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 06:57:00
From:
Subject: Re: I really dont like beer, is it because commercial stuff is crud?
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smhoneydo@aol.com wrote:
> Tater wrote:
> > i keep hearing about how homebrew beer is much better than commercial
> > beer, and have been wondering, maybe the reason i dont like beer is
> > that all the beer i've tried has been bad beer.
> >
> > on the other hand, i really like soda, and have heard that you can
> > "brew" your own root beer and such with brewing equipment.
> >
> > part of the reason i am looking into this, is that i've just bought my
> > first house, and now have room to actually do some projects like this.
> > on the property is a bunch of plum bushes, maybe i can migrate to plum
> > wine (which i've tried and DO like)
>
> Damn! Don't like beer? Isn't that sacreligious? I agree with
> some of the other guys. You need to explore a bit more to discover what
> really captures your taste buds. American light lagers and pilsners
> arn't what ALL beer is. Poke around at some of those specialty shops,
> find a beer that you can really enjoy. Perhaps a good wheat beer may do
> it for you. Wow, I hope you make it thru this terrible time in your
> life. Gee a guy that doesn't like beer..... That's a new one.
>
> Steve
Yeah, Wheat beers. I forgot to post those in my other reply. It all
depends on what he doesn't like about the comercials he has tried. Too
bitter? <snerk, snicker > Try a nice Bock or Dopplebock. Maybe a
Scottish ale or chocolate porter. Too sweet? There are a couple of
options there. If you like the bitterness from hops then try an India
Pale or Imperial Pilsner. If you don't like hops then a robust (black)
porter or stout can be nicely balanced without the hop bitterness. Not
enough body? Hell, try just abot anything that isn't an American Light
Lager. Wheat beers can run the gamit of bitterness, but are usually on
the less bitter end of the spectrum. Then there are the Belgian
styles. They are usually not what I would suggest a person new to beer
try right off the bat, but after the first one or two you really get to
enjoying the unique flavors they have. If I was to suggest one for
someone new to beers I'd go with Chimay Grande Reserve, or St.
Bernardus Triple.
Bryan
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 06:30:43
From:
Subject: Re: I really dont like beer, is it because commercial stuff is crud?
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Tater wrote:
> i keep hearing about how homebrew beer is much better than commercial
> beer, and have been wondering, maybe the reason i dont like beer is
> that all the beer i've tried has been bad beer.
>
> on the other hand, i really like soda, and have heard that you can
> "brew" your own root beer and such with brewing equipment.
>
> part of the reason i am looking into this, is that i've just bought my
> first house, and now have room to actually do some projects like this.
> on the property is a bunch of plum bushes, maybe i can migrate to plum
> wine (which i've tried and DO like)
Damn! Don't like beer? Isn't that sacreligious? I agree with
some of the other guys. You need to explore a bit more to discover what
really captures your taste buds. American light lagers and pilsners
arn't what ALL beer is. Poke around at some of those specialty shops,
find a beer that you can really enjoy. Perhaps a good wheat beer may do
it for you. Wow, I hope you make it thru this terrible time in your
life. Gee a guy that doesn't like beer..... That's a new one.
Steve
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 19:21:38
From: Gerard Eberlein
Subject: Re: I really dont like beer, is it because commercial stuff is crud?
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"Tater" <tater1337@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1162174534.230250.204400@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> i keep hearing about how homebrew beer is much better than commercial
> beer, and have been wondering, maybe the reason i dont like beer is
> that all the beer i've tried has been bad beer.
>
> on the other hand, i really like soda, and have heard that you can
> "brew" your own root beer and such with brewing equipment.
>
> part of the reason i am looking into this, is that i've just bought my
> first house, and now have room to actually do some projects like this.
> on the property is a bunch of plum bushes, maybe i can migrate to plum
> wine (which i've tried and DO like)
Saturday the 4th is Teach a Friend to Homebrew Day...try to find a homebrew
supplier close to you and see if they are doing any brewing. Ours is having
alot of people breweing everything from all grain to extract brews. Will be
alot of homebrew to sample also.
Gerard
>
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 22:44:28
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: I really dont like beer, is it because commercial stuff is crud?
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Tater <tater1337@yahoo.com > wrote:
> i keep hearing about how homebrew beer is much better than commercial
> beer, and have been wondering, maybe the reason i dont like beer is
> that all the beer i've tried has been bad beer.
Write down these beers:
Chimay Grande Reserve (Belgium)
Dogfish 90 Minute IPA (Milton, Delaware)
Goose Island American Porter (Chicago, Illinois)
Lake Louie Warped Speed Scotch Ale (Arena, Wisconsin)
The first three are generally available. My favorite, if you can
get it is Arrogant Bastard Ale - have a pint and call it lunch!
> on the other hand, i really like soda, and have heard that you can
> "brew" your own root beer and such with brewing equipment.
If you find a newsgroup for 'soda', email me.
> part of the reason i am looking into this, is that i've just bought my
> first house, and now have room to actually do some projects like this.
> on the property is a bunch of plum bushes, maybe i can migrate to plum
> wine (which i've tried and DO like)
Last time I checked plums come on trees. Nice thing about plums is
they are less acidic than other fruits. You should checkout
rec.crafts.winemaking and rec.crafts.meadmaking.
Dick
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 23:43:53
From: Scott Alfter
Subject: Re: I really dont like beer, is it because commercial stuff is crud?
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In article <12kd02cldvfol1b@corp.supernews.com >,
Dick Adams <rdadams@smart.net > wrote:
>Tater <tater1337@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> i keep hearing about how homebrew beer is much better than commercial
>> beer, and have been wondering, maybe the reason i dont like beer is
>> that all the beer i've tried has been bad beer.
>
>Write down these beers:
> Chimay Grande Reserve (Belgium)
> Dogfish 90 Minute IPA (Milton, Delaware)
> Goose Island American Porter (Chicago, Illinois)
> Lake Louie Warped Speed Scotch Ale (Arena, Wisconsin)
>
>The first three are generally available. My favorite, if you can
>get it is Arrogant Bastard Ale - have a pint and call it lunch!
Generally available _where?_ The only one of those that shows up in Las
Vegas is Chimay. I've heard rumors of Dogfish Head sending product to
California and/or Arizona, but at this time, those are just unconfirmed
rumors. The small stash of 60 & 90 Minute IPA I'm sitting on was hauled
back from a trip to the GABF. The only local bar that carries Dogfish Head
(where they get it, I don't know) charges over $10 per bottle!
I've only heard of Goose Island. I don't recall seeing it anywhere, not
even in trips back east. My parents just moved to Ohio, though, so maybe
it'll turn up in the shops there.
As for Arrogant Bastard, OTOH, that (and most of the rest of Stone's
products) are readily available here.
If you have a local shop that does beer tastings, that's a good way to find
stuff you like from among whatever is locally available. In Las Vegas, one
of the Lee's Discount Liquor stores (the one way over on the other side of
town on Lake Mead Boulevard) has been doing that for over a year now, with
only a handful of repeats. They don't charge anything for them, either. If
something similar is available in your neck of the woods, you might want to
look into that.
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(IIGS( http://alfter.us/ Top-posting!
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Date: 01 Nov 2006 16:04:04
From: timmy
Subject: Re: I really dont like beer, is it because commercial stuff is crud?
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Scott Alfter wrote:
> In article <12kd02cldvfol1b@corp.supernews.com>,
> Dick Adams <rdadams@smart.net> wrote:
>
>>Tater <tater1337@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>i keep hearing about how homebrew beer is much better than commercial
>>>beer, and have been wondering, maybe the reason i dont like beer is
>>>that all the beer i've tried has been bad beer.
>>
more then likely you've only been exposed to a very small range.
commercal beers tend to all taste the same to me, bitter with a nasty
after taste.
a good microbrew is light years ahead.
a good homebrew is usually as good if not better because you can tailor
it to your exact tastes. i make a superb brown porter with a light fresh
bitter as you drink it and a light smokey/coffee taste on the way down
and a subtle malty after taste.
I make beer for me, everyone else be damned, and homebrew gives you that
freedom.
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 23:38:20
From:
Subject: Re: I really dont like beer, is it because commercial stuff is crud?
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: The first three are generally available. My favorite, if you can
: get it is Arrogant Bastard Ale - have a pint and call it lunch!
I had my first one of those this summer. It's almost a "mini-barleywine" since it's got so much maltiness and
so much bitterness all at the same time. My brother has made a killer clone of it more or less following a 'net recipe
using Chinook hops all the way around.
: > on the other hand, i really like soda, and have heard that you can
: > "brew" your own root beer and such with brewing equipment.
: If you find a newsgroup for 'soda', email me.
I've never made "real" rootbeer, but I used to make soda using flavor extract, sugar, and yeast to carbonate in
2-liter bottles. Worked fine, although getting the carbonation right was difficult. Force carbonation would be much
easier to get right.
-Cory
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 17:20:48
From: Bob F
Subject: Re: I really dont like beer, is it because commercial stuff is crud?
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<papenfussDIESPAM@juneauDOTmeDOTvt.edu > wrote in message
news:ei62dc$1qa$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu...
> : The first three are generally available. My favorite, if you can
> : get it is Arrogant Bastard Ale - have a pint and call it lunch!
>
> I had my first one of those this summer. It's almost a "mini-barleywine"
since it's got so much maltiness and
> so much bitterness all at the same time. My brother has made a killer
clone of it more or less following a 'net recipe
> using Chinook hops all the way around.
>
> : > on the other hand, i really like soda, and have heard that you can
> : > "brew" your own root beer and such with brewing equipment.
>
> : If you find a newsgroup for 'soda', email me.
>
> I've never made "real" rootbeer, but I used to make soda using flavor
extract, sugar, and yeast to carbonate in
> 2-liter bottles. Worked fine, although getting the carbonation right was
difficult. Force carbonation would be much
> easier to get right.
A corny full of water, heavily carbonated, and any flavor syrup
you can put in a glass makes for instant soda of any type. The
nice thing is that you are not stuck with 5 gallons of one flavor.
Bob
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 19:51:49
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: I really dont like beer, is it because commercial stuff is crud?
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On 29 2006 18:15:34 -0800, <tater1337@yahoo.com > wrote:
> i keep hearing about how homebrew beer is much better than commercial
> beer, and have been wondering, maybe the reason i dont like beer is
> that all the beer i've tried has been bad beer.
If you're talking about Bud, Miller, Coors, etc, then I don't blame you.
I don't really like those either. There are lots of really good
commercial beers out there, but they're not ones you're going to see
advertisements for on TV. Go to your local beer store and start paying
more attention to beers you've never heard of before. Ask someone who
works there for help in picking out some different styles than the
mass produced stuff that most people buy. Tell them you're interested in
some "Microbrew" beer.
John.
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