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Date: 13 Oct 2006 19:02:37
From: Al Fresco
Subject: I Believe in Oxygen
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I thought people were crazy for buying oxygen tanks to get their beer
going. Well, I just tried it. I made an ale, and I pitched Trappist
yeast (1 liter starter) into it last night. Before pitching, I
oxygenated for one minute. I came home at 6:30 p.m. tonight to find the
lid of the fermenter wide open. The gas blew it off the bucket. I had to
push it back down and put a blowoff hose on the fermenter. And it's not
even a wheat beer!
I am actually frightened of this beer.
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 23:33:23
From: jbears
Subject: Re: I Believe in Oxygen
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"Al Fresco" <notmyemailaddress@yourbutt.com > wrote in message
news:8WUXg.10035$nn6.2289@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>I thought people were crazy for buying oxygen tanks to get their beer
>going. Well, I just tried it. I made an ale, and I pitched Trappist yeast
>(1 liter starter) into it last night. Before pitching, I oxygenated for one
>minute. I came home at 6:30 p.m. tonight to find the lid of the fermenter
>wide open. The gas blew it off the bucket. I had to push it back down and
>put a blowoff hose on the fermenter. And it's not even a wheat beer!
>
> I am actually frightened of this beer.
The last time I used trappist yeast for a tripel, I pitched at 6:00 pm and
it was bubbling through the airlock by 5:00 am the next morning when I was
ready to leave for work. Rigged a blowoff hose quick. Same with the Wyeast
California Common strain - had to use a blowoff hose for a 5-gal batch in a
6.5 gal fermentor.
First time using this strain? Think it would do the same with a Wyeast
American Ale or Wyeast British Ale?
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 18:07:50
From: John Krehbiel
Subject: Re: I Believe in Oxygen
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The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty wrote:
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> Yeah -- it's also nice to be able to oxygenate completely and thoroughly
> inside one-minute. No muss, no fuss, no effort and the tanks are cheap.
>
>
About how much? I see a regulator and stainless stone for
fifty-something. How much for the tank usually?
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 21:25:05
From: Al Fresco
Subject: Re: I Believe in Oxygen
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I think I paid about $34 plus shipping for the stone, tube, filter, and
regulator (Morebeer.com), and I got the tank for 9 bucks.
I was worried that the tiny amount of bubbling I saw wouldn't accomplish
anything. It appears that I was wrong.
John Krehbiel wrote:
> The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty wrote:
>> Yeah -- it's also nice to be able to oxygenate completely and thoroughly
>> inside one-minute. No muss, no fuss, no effort and the tanks are cheap.
>>
>>
>
> About how much? I see a regulator and stainless stone for
> fifty-something. How much for the tank usually?
>
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Date: 14 Oct 2006 09:34:23
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: I Believe in Oxygen
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John Krehbiel wrote:
> The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty wrote:
>> Yeah -- it's also nice to be able to oxygenate completely and thoroughly
>> inside one-minute. No muss, no fuss, no effort and the tanks are cheap.
>>
>>
>
> About how much? I see a regulator and stainless stone for
> fifty-something. How much for the tank usually?
>
The regulator and stone should be a lot less than that -- although it's
been years since I got it. The tanks are $8-9 from any local home
improvement place.
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Date: 16 Oct 2006 18:16:29
From: Kyle
Subject: Re: I Believe in Oxygen
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What sort of oxygen tanks are you using? I get the red BernzOmatic
1.4 oz oxygen tanks from Lowes for about that price. I get about a
half dozen batches out of one of the tanks.
The cylinders are considered disposable and can't be refilled. Anyone
know where I can recycle these? I'm slowly building an inventory of
used cylinders. Throwing them away doesn't seem right.
-Kyle
In article <4530f6f2$0$9338$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com >,
The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty <mikey666@666swampgas.666com > wrote:
>
>The regulator and stone should be a lot less than that -- although it's
>been years since I got it. The tanks are $8-9 from any local home
>improvement place.
>
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>
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Date: 16 Oct 2006 13:32:04
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: I Believe in Oxygen
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Kyle wrote:
> What sort of oxygen tanks are you using? I get the red BernzOmatic
> 1.4 oz oxygen tanks from Lowes for about that price. I get about a
> half dozen batches out of one of the tanks.
>
I'm using the Bernz-o-matic as well. If you're really into it you can
get an actual refillable tank, but this seems like more trouble and
expense than it's worth.
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 19:48:36
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: I Believe in Oxygen
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Al Fresco wrote:
> I thought people were crazy for buying oxygen tanks to get their beer
> going. Well, I just tried it. I made an ale, and I pitched Trappist
> yeast (1 liter starter) into it last night. Before pitching, I
> oxygenated for one minute. I came home at 6:30 p.m. tonight to find the
> lid of the fermenter wide open. The gas blew it off the bucket. I had to
> push it back down and put a blowoff hose on the fermenter. And it's not
> even a wheat beer!
>
> I am actually frightened of this beer.
Yeah -- it's also nice to be able to oxygenate completely and thoroughly
inside one-minute. No muss, no fuss, no effort and the tanks are cheap.
--
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Date: 16 Oct 2006 16:03:56
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: I Believe in Oxygen
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On Fri, 13 2006 19:48:36 -0500, <mikey666@666swampgas.666com > wrote:
> Yeah -- it's also nice to be able to oxygenate completely and thoroughly
> inside one-minute. No muss, no fuss, no effort and the tanks are cheap.
Yeah, but a Mix-Stir is cheaper (they should start paying me to advertise!).
:)
John.
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 19:23:04
From: PJ
Subject: Re: I Believe in Oxygen
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"Al Fresco" < > wrote in message ...
>I thought people were crazy for buying oxygen tanks to get their beer
>going. Well, I just tried it. I made an ale, and I pitched Trappist yeast
>(1 liter starter) into it last night. Before pitching, I oxygenated for one
>minute. I came home at 6:30 p.m. tonight to find the lid of the fermenter
>wide open. The gas blew it off the bucket. I had to push it back down and
>put a blowoff hose on the fermenter. And it's not even a wheat beer!
>
> I am actually frightened of this beer.
That is great.!! (I also like the laugh you gave me. Been there - with the
bucket lid across the room and suds on the floor. It's walking in and
yelling - HOLY CRAP - while running for a mop..)
Been using OČ ever since.. lol....
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 21:03:43
From: Al Fresco
Subject: Re: I Believe in Oxygen
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It's growling at me from the living room, letting out a huge blerp of
bubbles every three seconds. As if Darth Vader were snorkeling in the beer.
PJ wrote:
> "Al Fresco" <> wrote in message ...
>> I thought people were crazy for buying oxygen tanks to get their beer
>> going. Well, I just tried it. I made an ale, and I pitched Trappist yeast
>> (1 liter starter) into it last night. Before pitching, I oxygenated for one
>> minute. I came home at 6:30 p.m. tonight to find the lid of the fermenter
>> wide open. The gas blew it off the bucket. I had to push it back down and
>> put a blowoff hose on the fermenter. And it's not even a wheat beer!
>>
>> I am actually frightened of this beer.
>
> That is great.!! (I also like the laugh you gave me. Been there - with the
> bucket lid across the room and suds on the floor. It's walking in and
> yelling - HOLY CRAP - while running for a mop..)
>
> Been using OČ ever since.. lol....
>
>
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Date: 16 Oct 2006 16:02:17
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: I Believe in Oxygen
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On Fri, 13 2006 21:03:43 -0400, <notmyemailaddress@yourbutt.com > wrote:
> As if Darth Vader were snorkeling in the beer.
LOL!
John.
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 08:26:48
From: miker
Subject: Re: I Believe in Oxygen
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I use O2 tank and stone to aerate my wort, too, but don't necessarily
think this has anything to do with a violent ferment. It seems to be
certain yeast strains that give more violent ferments.
Also, I don't think a violent ferment means better beer. Maybe, maybe
not. Perhaps you do always want a short lag time, and yes, you want the
yeast to have adequate oxygen, but maybe you don't want a rapid ferment
or a violent one. For one thing I think most of my beers taste better
when fermented at the low end of the temperature range for a particular
yeast strain.
I think this aspect of fermentation definitely needs more study. What
type of ferment produces the best tasting beer?
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 11:17:58
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: I Believe in Oxygen
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miker wrote:
> I use O2 tank and stone to aerate my wort, too, but don't necessarily
> think this has anything to do with a violent ferment. It seems to be
> certain yeast strains that give more violent ferments.
Some of the "violent" ferment thing also comes from the grist. I find
that beers with a lot of wheat are often potential airlock blowers. I
think the ferment head is just retained better in these cases -- once
formed, it tends to stay formed.
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 18:30:43
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: I Believe in Oxygen
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On Tue, 17 2006 11:17:58 -0500, <mikey666@666swampgas.666com > wrote:
> miker wrote:
>> I use O2 tank and stone to aerate my wort, too, but don't necessarily
>> think this has anything to do with a violent ferment. It seems to be
>> certain yeast strains that give more violent ferments.
>
> Some of the "violent" ferment thing also comes from the grist. I find
> that beers with a lot of wheat are often potential airlock blowers. I
> think the ferment head is just retained better in these cases -- once
> formed, it tends to stay formed.
Yeah, I've definitely had the same experience. I chalk it up to the extra
protein level in wheat. It just creates a head that won't go away. I
normally do 5 gallon batches in a 6.5 gallon primary. Usually the only
time I have a blowoff is when I'm making a wheat beer.
John.
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 15:36:39
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: I Believe in Oxygen
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On 17 2006 08:26:48 -0700, <mlracette@aol.com > wrote:
> I use O2 tank and stone to aerate my wort, too, but don't necessarily
> think this has anything to do with a violent ferment. It seems to be
> certain yeast strains that give more violent ferments.
>
> Also, I don't think a violent ferment means better beer. Maybe, maybe
> not. Perhaps you do always want a short lag time, and yes, you want the
> yeast to have adequate oxygen, but maybe you don't want a rapid ferment
> or a violent one. For one thing I think most of my beers taste better
> when fermented at the low end of the temperature range for a particular
> yeast strain.
Yeah, a healthy fermentation is one thing, but you don't want to increase
the activity by raising the temp. That will just cause other problems.
Increasing O2 is a good thing, increasing pitching rates is a good thing,
both will reduce your lag and give you a healthier fermentation. Increasing
the temp in order to increase fermentation rate is probably not a good thing
unless specifically called for by the style, since you're going to be
increasing by-products at the same time.
John.
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