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Date: 01 Aug 2006 08:44:57
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Subject: Home Ethanol
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Dont know if this is the right forum, But you guys seem to know what
you are doing as far as the "drinking side" goes, hope you might give
me a few tips on the ethanol.
This is my first attempt, and as soon as the sorghum finishes growing,
i will be sqeezing the sugar out of it and fermenting then distilling
it. I put in just a small crop in as a test.
My first question is : it seems that the yeast that is used is just
regular bakers yeast, is this true????
Second: does anyone have there own still " essential oil extractor" in
the states ( LOL), if so did you build it yourself?
thanks for lettingg me post here, if this is the wrong place let me
know and Ill remove it.
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 17:16:34
From: Joel
Subject: Re: Home Ethanol
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<tracey.sherman@gmail.com > wrote:
>thanks for lettingg me post here, if this is the wrong place let me
>know and Ill remove it.
The proper USENET newsgroup is rec.crafts.distilling.
--
Joel Plutchak "Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and
plutchak@[...] sometimes I think we're not. In either case the idea
is quite staggering." - Arthur C. Clarke
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Date: 07 Aug 2006 23:11:16
From: two bob
Subject: Re: Home Ethanol
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"Joel" <plutchak@see.headers > wrote in message
news:eao29i$1a8$1@badger.ncsa.uiuc.edu...
> <tracey.sherman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>thanks for lettingg me post here, if this is the wrong place let me
>>know and Ill remove it.
>
> The proper USENET newsgroup is rec.crafts.distilling.
Also alt.alcohol.home-distillation
> --
> Joel Plutchak "Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and
> plutchak@[...] sometimes I think we're not. In either case the idea
> is quite staggering." - Arthur C. Clarke
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 09:35:18
From: Dr. Nick
Subject: Re: Home Ethanol
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There are several online forums that discuss distillation (this isn't
one of them, though there are people here who distill) - try a google
search.
> This is my first attempt, and as soon as the sorghum finishes growing,
> i will be sqeezing the sugar out of it and fermenting then distilling
> it. I put in just a small crop in as a test.
As a sanity check - by "squeezing the sugar out" you do mean "malting,
mashing, and lautering" right?
> My first question is : it seems that the yeast that is used is just
> regular bakers yeast, is this true????
Well, nobody here uses that stuff, because the result doesn't taste
very good. But if you're just going to distill it into something very
high in ethanol, I guess you should just try for the most attenuative
yeast you could get your hands on. I have no idea how bread yeast
stacks up in this regard.
> Second: does anyone have there own still " essential oil extractor" in
> the states ( LOL), if so did you build it yourself?
There are certainly people here who have them. I've even been told
that there are brewing supply shops that sell them. I'm sure you could
find one online, but I've never checked itnto it.
-Nick
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 21:50:54
From: Derric
Subject: Re: Home Ethanol
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>> This is my first attempt, and as soon as the sorghum finishes growing,
>> i will be sqeezing the sugar out of it and fermenting then distilling
>> it. I put in just a small crop in as a test.
>
> As a sanity check - by "squeezing the sugar out" you do mean "malting,
> mashing, and lautering" right?
He's probably talking about "sweet sorghum" where syrup is made from the
stalks (not "grain sorghum" where the grain is harvested, malted, etc).
I've read that fermented sorghum syrup is very bitter (ie. NOT good), so
I don't know how that would turn out if distilled...
Derric
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 21:19:52
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Home Ethanol
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<tracey.sherman@gmail.com > wrote:
> Dont know if this is the right forum, But you guys seem to know what
> you are doing as far as the "drinking side" goes, hope you might give
> me a few tips on the ethanol.
No, but I'll answer it in part.
> This is my first attempt, and as soon as the sorghum finishes growing,
> i will be sqeezing the sugar out of it and fermenting then distilling
> it. I put in just a small crop in as a test.
I fermented sweet sorghum syrup. It was terribly bitter and
undrinkable by my tastes. I have some in a braggot which now
holds my record for aging at 13 months. If it doesn't become
drinkable before we move or before I die, it's going into the
sewer system.
> My first question is : it seems that the yeast that is used
> is just regular bakers yeast, is this true????
Don't use bakers yeast for anything you intend to drink. In
order to discuss a yeast, you need to know the specific
gravity of your batch. My advice is do not ferment this
stuff. If you do not believe me, ask some sorghum farmers if
they have fermented the stuff and how it tasted.
> Second: does anyone have there own still " essential oil
> extractor" in the states (LOL); if so, did you build it
> yourself?
It's illegal - so you'll have to ask some farmers! :)
Dick
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 14:43:23
From: jim
Subject: Re: Home Ethanol
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"Dick Adams" <rdadams@smart.net > wrote in message
news:12cvhbo7ktmkt9f@corp.supernews.com...
> <tracey.sherman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dont know if this is the right forum, But you guys seem to know what
>> you are doing as far as the "drinking side" goes, hope you might give
>> me a few tips on the ethanol.
>
> No, but I'll answer it in part.
>
>> This is my first attempt, and as soon as the sorghum finishes growing,
>> i will be sqeezing the sugar out of it and fermenting then distilling
>> it. I put in just a small crop in as a test.
>
> I fermented sweet sorghum syrup. It was terribly bitter and
> undrinkable by my tastes. I have some in a braggot which now
> holds my record for aging at 13 months. If it doesn't become
> drinkable before we move or before I die, it's going into the
> sewer system.
>
>> My first question is : it seems that the yeast that is used
>> is just regular bakers yeast, is this true????
>
> Don't use bakers yeast for anything you intend to drink. In
> order to discuss a yeast, you need to know the specific
> gravity of your batch. My advice is do not ferment this
> stuff. If you do not believe me, ask some sorghum farmers if
> they have fermented the stuff and how it tasted.
>
>> Second: does anyone have there own still " essential oil
>> extractor" in the states (LOL); if so, did you build it
>> yourself?
>
> It's illegal - so you'll have to ask some farmers! :)
>
> Dick
>
I get the impression the op is more interested in making fuel than a
beverage
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Date: 07 Aug 2006 23:20:52
From: two bob
Subject: Re: Home Ethanol
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>
> It's illegal - so you'll have to ask some farmers! :)
>
> Dick
"It's illegal" seems to be the standard reply when someone asks. It may be
illegal in your area, but not in others, and knowledge isn't illegal either
(yet). This group hasnt any geographic limits that I'm aware of. But being
off topic is another point.
BTW, do farmers have different laws?
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Date: 07 Aug 2006 14:27:43
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Home Ethanol
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:20:52 +1000, <tb@department9.com.au > wrote:
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>> It's illegal - so you'll have to ask some farmers! :)
>>
>> Dick
>
> "It's illegal" seems to be the standard reply when someone asks. It may be
> illegal in your area, but not in others, and knowledge isn't illegal either
> (yet). This group hasnt any geographic limits that I'm aware of. But being
> off topic is another point.
I understand what you're saying, but distilling is illegal in most of the
world. Legal distilling is definitely the exception, rather than the
rule. IMO, in that case it makes sense to assume illegality when the
poster doesn't mention their location. But besides that, this isn't the
right group. Brewing and distilling are very different things.
> BTW, do farmers have different laws?
At least in the US, I believe distillation for fuel is allowed for farmers.
IIRC, you have to apply for a special permit though.
John.
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Date: 08 Aug 2006 20:36:52
From: Pete
Subject: Re: Home Ethanol
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Don't have to be a farmer to apply for a permit.
>> BTW, do farmers have different laws?
>
>At least in the US, I believe distillation for fuel is allowed for farmers.
>IIRC, you have to apply for a special permit though.
>
>
>John.
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 20:50:02
From: Nomen Nescio
Subject: Re: Home Ethanol
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> Dont know if this is the right forum, But you guys seem to know what
> you are doing as far as the "drinking side" goes, hope you might give
> me a few tips on the ethanol.
>
> This is my first attempt, and as soon as the sorghum finishes growing,
> i will be sqeezing the sugar out of it and fermenting then distilling
> it. I put in just a small crop in as a test.
>
> My first question is : it seems that the yeast that is used is just
> regular bakers yeast, is this true????
>
> Second: does anyone have there own still " essential oil extractor" in
> the states ( LOL), if so did you build it yourself?
get the "Alaskan Bootleggers' Bible" for instructions
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 18:14:18
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Home Ethanol
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On 1 Aug 2006 08:44:57 -0700, <tracey.sherman@gmail.com > wrote:
> thanks for lettingg me post here, if this is the wrong place let me
> know and Ill remove it.
rec.crafts.distilling would be a much better place for this question.
John.
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 22:43:07
From: Lefty Skywalker
Subject: Re: Home Ethanol
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tracey.sherman@gmail.com wrote:
> Dont know if this is the right forum, But you guys seem to know what
> you are doing as far as the "drinking side" goes, hope you might give
> me a few tips on the ethanol.
When I was looking into this stuff I found the best resource to be this
website: http://homedistiller.org/
A lot of it is illegal as it ever was and the usual disclaimers apply.
If you are indeed making your own E100 for home energy purposes... It
seems unlikely you'll be able to make ethanol fuel without burning a lot
of other fuel to run the, uh, purifier. You might want to do the math
on the energy balance. Biodiesel might be better.
--
Daniel O. Miller
"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the
fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true
science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer marvel, is as good
as dead, and his eyes are dimmed." - Albert Einstein
WWYD? (-o-) <* > Genesis 49:17
Real email address: darth dot lefty at golf mike able india lima.
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 22:53:57
From: Lefty Skywalker
Subject: Re: Home Ethanol
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Lefty Skywalker wrote:
> tracey.sherman@gmail.com wrote:
>> Dont know if this is the right forum, But you guys seem to know what
>> you are doing as far as the "drinking side" goes, hope you might give
>> me a few tips on the ethanol.
>
> A lot of it is illegal as it ever was and the usual disclaimers apply.
But actually I just found this...
http://www.green-trust.org/ethanol.htm
Which seems to imply it is indeed legal for fuel making... with some
paperwork.
--
Daniel O. Miller
"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the
fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true
science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer marvel, is as good
as dead, and his eyes are dimmed." - Albert Einstein
WWYD? (-o-) <* > Genesis 49:17
Real email address: darth dot lefty at golf mike able india lima.
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 21:44:01
From: Gwidman
Subject: Re: Home Ethanol
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"Lefty Skywalker" <dmille15@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:44d18cba$0$17975$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
> tracey.sherman@gmail.com wrote:
>> Dont know if this is the right forum, But you guys seem to know what
>> you are doing as far as the "drinking side" goes, hope you might give
>> me a few tips on the ethanol.
>
> When I was looking into this stuff I found the best resource to be this
> website: http://homedistiller.org/
>
> A lot of it is illegal as it ever was and the usual disclaimers apply.
>
> If you are indeed making your own E100 for home energy purposes... It
> seems unlikely you'll be able to make ethanol fuel without burning a lot
> of other fuel to run the, uh, purifier. You might want to do the math on
> the energy balance. Biodiesel might be better.
>
> --
> Daniel O. Miller
Tracey,
The website mentioned by this poster is probably the best info you will
find. It's out of New Zealand where distilling is legal, and it's full of
good info. In the US, go to brewhaus.com and check out their forum.
About 1909(?) the US distinguished between making alcohol for drink, or for
any other purposes. In order for the alcohol to be used for any other
purpose than drinking, it had to be denatured, usually adding 10% methanol
to make it poisonous if ingested. The laws were very stringent then and
they are still that way now. No one can even experiment legally without
complying with prohibitive regulations.
Realistically, you can distill anything you want, and the revenuers won't
pursue you if you don't try to sell any of your products. But if you invite
a cop into your barn to see your still, you'll be busted.
Sorghum isn't in my experience, but sugar cane makes molasses which makes
nice rum. If you're making fuel, use the cheapest source of sugar because
you're making ethanol, so make it by the cheapest method. You'll need a
reflux still which converts all the sugars to 95% ethanol.
Good luck to ya,
Gary
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 13:31:51
From:
Subject: Re: Home Ethanol
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Thanks lefty,
Yes that is my understanding also, it is illegal for drinking
purposes, but "is legal" for fuel, I also understand that alot of
farmers produce thier own ethanol for use on the farm. Not sure what
the minumum acreage is to be classified as a farm, but I currently have
five acres.
thanks again
Sorry for the wrong forum guys, I did remove my original question, and
thanks for the right forum direction.
Lefty Skywalker wrote:
> Lefty Skywalker wrote:
> > tracey.sherman@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Dont know if this is the right forum, But you guys seem to know what
> >> you are doing as far as the "drinking side" goes, hope you might give
> >> me a few tips on the ethanol.
> >
> > A lot of it is illegal as it ever was and the usual disclaimers apply.
>
> But actually I just found this...
> http://www.green-trust.org/ethanol.htm
> Which seems to imply it is indeed legal for fuel making... with some
> paperwork.
>
> --
> Daniel O. Miller
>
> "The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the
> fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true
> science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer marvel, is as good
> as dead, and his eyes are dimmed." - Albert Einstein
>
> WWYD? (-o-) <*> Genesis 49:17
>
> Real email address: darth dot lefty at golf mike able india lima.
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 20:40:34
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Home Ethanol
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On 4 Aug 2006 13:31:51 -0700, <tracey.sherman@gmail.com > wrote:
> thanks again
> Sorry for the wrong forum guys, I did remove my original question, and
> thanks for the right forum direction.
It's easy to understand getting the group wrong. If there wasn't a
seperate group for it, it would make sense that they hung out here.
BTW, you can't really "remove" a post from a newsgroup once you make it.
Don't worry about it though, no harm done.
John.
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