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Date: 11 Nov 2006 05:21:33
From: PlanetMan
Subject: Help convert IPA kit - pellet hops to leaf hops
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Hi folks,
I purchased an 5 gal. American IPA extract kit containing pellet hops.
I would like to swap out the kits pellet hops for some cascade leaf
hops (alpha acid 6.9%) that are taking up a lot of space in my freezer
(about 1 lb). Here is the pellet hop variety and schedule.
1.5oz Nugget (bittering) 60 min.
1.0oz. Cascade (flavor) 30 min.
1.0oz. Cascade (aroma) flame out steep 10 min.
0.5 oz. Cascade (dry) in secondary for 2 weeks.
My intention is to use the nugget pellets supplied with the kit, but
swap out the cascade pellets for cascade leaf. Should I just use the
same weights and addition times for the leaf hops that I would for
pellets? I also like a lot of aroma so I may try to increase the dry
hops, any ideas?
Thanks for your help.
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Date: 11 Nov 2006 08:29:37
From: James
Subject: Re: Help convert IPA kit - pellet hops to leaf hops
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> My intention is to use the nugget pellets supplied with the kit, but
> swap out the cascade pellets for cascade leaf. Should I just use the
> same weights and addition times for the leaf hops that I would for
> pellets? I also like a lot of aroma so I may try to increase the dry
> hops, any ideas?
It's no problem. You want to use about 10 percent more whole hops than
pellet though for your (30 minute addition) due to the pellet hops
increased utilization. Most of your bittering is coming from the 60
minute addition, but at 30 minutes you still are getting a fair amount
of bitter so adding the ten percent more could make enough difference
to matter. Another thing to consider is that you'll probably end up
losing a bit of wort that gets absorbed into the whole hops- not too
much though. I always use whole hops so I calculate my recipes to
include the wort loss from that-but I'm doing 10 gallon all-grain
recipes, which on an IPA can add up to a lot of hops.
>I also like a lot of aroma so I may try to increase the dry
> hops, any ideas
You could easily add 1.5 0z at flame out if you wanted and use an oz
(or even more)for dry hopping. You can use pellets or whole hops for
either, but if you plan on using your whole hops for that, and you are
going to secondary in glass then be prepared for a tough time getting
them in there. I've had to shove them in a few a flowers at a time.
There's probably some good ideas on here if search "secondary and whole
hops". On the other hand, there is a lot less sludge left in your
secondary than if you used pellets.
How old are your whole hops by the way?
James
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 20:32:18
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Help convert IPA kit - pellet hops to leaf hops
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On 11 Nov 2006 08:29:37 -0800, <jstephens4@kc.rr.com > wrote:
>> My intention is to use the nugget pellets supplied with the kit, but
>> swap out the cascade pellets for cascade leaf. Should I just use the
>> same weights and addition times for the leaf hops that I would for
>> pellets? I also like a lot of aroma so I may try to increase the dry
>> hops, any ideas?
>
> It's no problem. You want to use about 10 percent more whole hops than
> pellet though for your (30 minute addition) due to the pellet hops
> increased utilization.
This would be true if both the pellet and leaf version had the same AA%.
Unless the kit specifies what the AA% is, which they usually don't, I
don't think we really have any idea what the correct substitution is going
to be. IMO, in that case you may as well just go 1:1. It should get you
"close enough".
John.
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Date: 11 Nov 2006 10:18:56
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Help convert IPA kit - pellet hops to leaf hops
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PlanetMan wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I purchased an 5 gal. American IPA extract kit containing pellet hops.
> I would like to swap out the kits pellet hops for some cascade leaf
> hops (alpha acid 6.9%) that are taking up a lot of space in my freezer
> (about 1 lb). Here is the pellet hop variety and schedule.
>
> 1.5oz Nugget (bittering) 60 min.
> 1.0oz. Cascade (flavor) 30 min.
> 1.0oz. Cascade (aroma) flame out steep 10 min.
> 0.5 oz. Cascade (dry) in secondary for 2 weeks.
>
> My intention is to use the nugget pellets supplied with the kit, but
> swap out the cascade pellets for cascade leaf. Should I just use the
> same weights and addition times for the leaf hops that I would for
> pellets? I also like a lot of aroma so I may try to increase the dry
> hops, any ideas?
If it were me, which it will be later today.. I'd stick with the pellets
in the boil and swap out the dry hop for plugs or flowers. Once you have
pellets in the boil, you might as well deal with all pellets (my opinion).
--
Dan
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Date: 11 Nov 2006 13:28:42
From: PlanetMan
Subject: Re: Help convert IPA kit - pellet hops to leaf hops
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Thanks folks,
>"How old are your whole hops by the way?"
My hops are about 1 month old but, vacuum sealed and in the the
freezer.
>"if you plan on using your whole hops for that, and you are
going to secondary in glass then be prepared for a tough time getting
them in there"
Yep, last time I made a funnel out of aluminum foil and used a dowel to
jab them in. I noticed that when I bottled (pale ale) that a few
leaves and parts got into a few bottles. Like one leaf per bottle or
so. I wonder if it will make any difference in flavor etc.?
Maybe I should exchange the nugget pellets for cascade flowers as well.
Probably not.
Thanks again folks!
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 17:35:47
From: James
Subject: Re: Help convert IPA kit - pellet hops to leaf hops
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>
> This would be true if both the pellet and leaf version had the same AA%.
> Unless the kit specifies what the AA% is, which they usually don't, I
> don't think we really have any idea what the correct substitution is going
> to be. IMO, in that case you may as well just go 1:1. It should get you
> "close enough".
>
>
> John.
I never buy kits. Do they not tell you what the AA% is on the hops
included? I assumed that info was a given.
James
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Date: 21 Nov 2006 18:40:57
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Help convert IPA kit - pellet hops to leaf hops
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On 15 Nov 2006 17:35:47 -0800, <jstephens4@kc.rr.com > wrote:
>
>>
>> This would be true if both the pellet and leaf version had the same AA%.
>> Unless the kit specifies what the AA% is, which they usually don't, I
>> don't think we really have any idea what the correct substitution is going
>> to be. IMO, in that case you may as well just go 1:1. It should get you
>> "close enough".
>>
>>
>> John.
>
> I never buy kits. Do they not tell you what the AA% is on the hops
> included? I assumed that info was a given.
It probably depends on the kit, but not on the ones I've seen.
John.
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 14:37:46
From: PlanetMan
Subject: Re: Help convert IPA kit - pellet hops to leaf hops
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Thanks for all of the help. I went ahead and brewed up with about 10%
more leaf hops than pellets. If things end up tasting weird, I'll post
back with some results. This is also my first brew with dry yeast,
which I found to be easy and cheap. I wonder if it will still taste
good.
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 20:20:48
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Help convert IPA kit - pellet hops to leaf hops
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On 11 Nov 2006 05:21:33 -0800, <plecostomus@fastmail.fm > wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I purchased an 5 gal. American IPA extract kit containing pellet hops.
> I would like to swap out the kits pellet hops for some cascade leaf
> hops (alpha acid 6.9%) that are taking up a lot of space in my freezer
> (about 1 lb). Here is the pellet hop variety and schedule.
>
> 1.5oz Nugget (bittering) 60 min.
> 1.0oz. Cascade (flavor) 30 min.
> 1.0oz. Cascade (aroma) flame out steep 10 min.
> 0.5 oz. Cascade (dry) in secondary for 2 weeks.
>
> My intention is to use the nugget pellets supplied with the kit, but
> swap out the cascade pellets for cascade leaf. Should I just use the
> same weights and addition times for the leaf hops that I would for
> pellets? I also like a lot of aroma so I may try to increase the dry
> hops, any ideas?
Does it tell you what the AA% of the cascade pellets are? IMO, I'd just swap
them 1:1. That's probably not exactly right, but in order to get the exact
rate for substitution you're going to need to know some things about each
that you probably won't be able to figure out. Besides, the amount is less
critical for flavor/aroma than it is for bitterness (which you're leaving
the same).
John.
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