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Date: 20 Oct 2006 12:12:35
From: Eric Scantlebury
Subject: Head space in a corny for fermentation
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Ok, so this weekend I have an IPA that I'm ready to bottle. Thing is I
haven't drunk enough Sam Adams so I don't have enough bottles for the full 5
gallons :)
I do have a 3 gallon Corny keg thought. Unfortunately I have yet to have my
CO2 tank recertified and filled :( What I'm thinking I can do is fill the
corny and bottle the rest. I'll go ahead and prime with the priming sugar.
Will this work? Or should I just wait and get the tank filled this weekend?
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Date: 20 Oct 2006 18:18:00
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Head space in a corny for fermentation
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On Fri, 20 2006 12:12:35 -0400, <test@test.com > wrote:
> I do have a 3 gallon Corny keg thought. Unfortunately I have yet to have my
> CO2 tank recertified and filled :( What I'm thinking I can do is fill the
> corny and bottle the rest. I'll go ahead and prime with the priming sugar.
> Will this work? Or should I just wait and get the tank filled this weekend?
You may have trouble getting the lid to seal airtight. They're designed
such that the internal pressure of the keg (from your CO2 tank) is what
seals the lid. Just closing the lid isn't usually enough to stop gas from
escaping or entering the keg. It may not be a problem for a couple days
though if you want to keg it now and get the tank filled this weekend and
then pressurize it. I wouldn't leave it sitting around without pressure
for a long time though.
Priming a keg is hit or miss. Usually since the lid needs pressure to seal
and since priming builds the carbonation up very slowly over time, a lot
of the CO2 will just escape around the lid rather than carbonating the beer.
You can try it, but personally I would not prime until you have the tank
filled in order to put some initial pressure in it.
John.
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Date: 20 Oct 2006 23:26:52
From: Eric Scantlebury
Subject: Re: Head space in a corny for fermentation
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"John 'Shaggy' Kolesar" <spam@shagg.net > wrote in message
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> On Fri, 20 2006 12:12:35 -0400, <test@test.com> wrote:
> Priming a keg is hit or miss. Usually since the lid needs pressure to
> seal
> and since priming builds the carbonation up very slowly over time, a lot
> of the CO2 will just escape around the lid rather than carbonating the
> beer.
> You can try it, but personally I would not prime until you have the tank
> filled in order to put some initial pressure in it.
Ok. I think I'll wait till I can get the tank filled. I didn't think about
needing to "prime" the keg headspace, does make sense. I just started
reading anyway about the 1,2,3 method and since I've this is only the end of
the second week in the secondary I guess waiting another week is actually
maybe a good thing. Now I'm worried that I didn't "age" my porter enough
though :( But I followed the instructions and they "assured" me that a 14
day ferment was enough.
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Date: 20 Oct 2006 23:37:47
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Head space in a corny for fermentation
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On Fri, 20 2006 23:26:52 GMT, <Eric_Scantlebury@verizon.net > wrote:
> Ok. I think I'll wait till I can get the tank filled. I didn't think about
> needing to "prime" the keg headspace, does make sense. I just started
> reading anyway about the 1,2,3 method and since I've this is only the end of
> the second week in the secondary I guess waiting another week is actually
> maybe a good thing. Now I'm worried that I didn't "age" my porter enough
> though :( But I followed the instructions and they "assured" me that a 14
> day ferment was enough.
"Aging" and "How long to ferment" are really different things. As long as
the beer is done fermenting, you can age it as long as you want. It's
mostly just personal preference. Different styles of beer will benefit
from different amounts of aging. Also, different drinkers may prefer the
same beer at different levels of aging. There's certainly no such thing
as a universal "best" amount of aging.
Regarding "they assured me that 14 days was enough", I would always ignore
any instructions that say "wait X days and then keg/bottle". Trying to force
your beer into a set schedule is just going to get you into trouble. Let
the beer tell you when it is done, not the other way around. Any time line
like that you see in recipes or books are at best just guesses on the part
of the author. Every fermentation will be different and there are lots
of variables unique to each brew that will effect how long it takes.
John.
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Date: 21 Oct 2006 01:28:54
From: Eric Scantlebury
Subject: Re: Head space in a corny for fermentation
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"John 'Shaggy' Kolesar" <spam@shagg.net > wrote in message
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> Regarding "they assured me that 14 days was enough", I would always ignore
> any instructions that say "wait X days and then keg/bottle". Trying to
> force
> your beer into a set schedule is just going to get you into trouble. Let
> the beer tell you when it is done, not the other way around. Any time
> line
> like that you see in recipes or books are at best just guesses on the part
> of the author. Every fermentation will be different and there are lots
> of variables unique to each brew that will effect how long it takes.
Something that I am slowly realizing now that I'm on my third extract kit.
I just bought a hydrometer (I had one with the used equipment I bought but
had no instructions). I will be using that now to find out about my
"fermentation end".
Thanks
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Date: 22 Oct 2006 10:07:05
From: Bob F
Subject: Re: Head space in a corny for fermentation
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"Eric Scantlebury" <Eric_Scantlebury@verizon.net > wrote in message
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> "John 'Shaggy' Kolesar" <spam@shagg.net> wrote in message
> news:slrneji4uj.glq.spam@weizen.shagg.net...
> > On Fri, 20 2006 12:12:35 -0400, <test@test.com> wrote:
> > Priming a keg is hit or miss. Usually since the lid needs pressure to
> > seal
> > and since priming builds the carbonation up very slowly over time, a lot
> > of the CO2 will just escape around the lid rather than carbonating the
> > beer.
> > You can try it, but personally I would not prime until you have the tank
> > filled in order to put some initial pressure in it.
>
> Ok. I think I'll wait till I can get the tank filled. I didn't think
about
> needing to "prime" the keg headspace, does make sense. I just started
> reading anyway about the 1,2,3 method and since I've this is only the end
of
> the second week in the secondary I guess waiting another week is actually
> maybe a good thing. Now I'm worried that I didn't "age" my porter enough
> though :( But I followed the instructions and they "assured" me that a 14
> day ferment was enough.
Kegging early isn't a problem - bottling early can be. If you want to keg
before you have the CO2, you could call a friend or your LHBS and
ask if they would give your keg a shot of CO2 to seal it, if you bring it
in.
Fermenting and ageing are two different things.
Bob
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Date: 22 Oct 2006 19:20:56
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Head space in a corny for fermentation
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On Sun, 22 2006 10:07:05 -0700, <bobnospam@gmail.com > wrote:
> Kegging early isn't a problem - bottling early can be.
I definitely agree that bottling early can be a disaster and that you're
not going to have the same degree of issues with kegging early. The only
caveat I would add is that kegging early can still cause problems, it will
play havoc with your carbonation levels and make getting the level of CO2
dialed in fairly tricky. I would try to avoid it if possible, but you're
right in that it's not as a big a deal as it is with bottling.
John.
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Date: 20 Oct 2006 11:09:48
From: Spitzbuben
Subject: Re: Head space in a corny for fermentation
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I can't see why not.... fill the corny first, about 1 inch below the
gas tube on the inside of the keg... it looks like a 1.5 inch long
straw. fill the rest of the bottles...BINGO!
OR
(Though I would...)Fill the tank... This will a small amount of
patience (1 day till you fill it) rather then waiting 2 weeks for a
corny to prime.
Let me know if you need help drinking the Sam.
Eric Scantlebury wrote:
> Ok, so this weekend I have an IPA that I'm ready to bottle. Thing is I
> haven't drunk enough Sam Adams so I don't have enough bottles for the full 5
> gallons :)
>
> I do have a 3 gallon Corny keg thought. Unfortunately I have yet to have my
> CO2 tank recertified and filled :( What I'm thinking I can do is fill the
> corny and bottle the rest. I'll go ahead and prime with the priming sugar.
> Will this work? Or should I just wait and get the tank filled this weekend?
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Date: 20 Oct 2006 23:24:23
From: Eric Scantlebury
Subject: Re: Head space in a corny for fermentation
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"Spitzbuben" <redrump21@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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> Let me know if you need help drinking the Sam.
This one, at least, I think I have covered. ;-)
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