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Date: 11 Sep 2006 12:51:21
From: Spitzbuben
Subject: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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So I was sitting and enjoying a Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest just a few
minutes ago. I was sitting there gazing at the beautiful bottle.
Thanking God the Germans believe in green bottles. When I noticed on
the right side of the label "ALE" next to the proof of Purchase. Why
does it say that?
On a (Hopefully) completely seperate topic, have any of you had the HS
Oktoberfest this year? It tastes different then in years past. More
nuttyer, perhaps even biscuity. More Munich Malt ya think? It's just
different. Try it. I think I like the years past better.
Irish
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 23:37:26
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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On 11 Sep 2006 12:51:21 -0700, <redrump21@yahoo.com > wrote:
> So I was sitting and enjoying a Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest just a few
> minutes ago. I was sitting there gazing at the beautiful bottle.
> Thanking God the Germans believe in green bottles. When I noticed on
> the right side of the label "ALE" next to the proof of Purchase. Why
> does it say that?
Could just be weird local taxation laws. Some places require any beer over
a certain ABV to be labeled as "ale" or "malt liquor" because it puts it
into a different tax bracket. The fact that it's really a lager doesn't
matter much to the people passing the laws.
John.
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 16:23:54
From: Spitzbuben
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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Bart... That must be the cases (also going along with what Denny said).
The A by % is 5.8, a bit high for the average BMC drinkers.
denny, yes you should try it this year. I think I lean more toward
the Spaten Oktoberfest of the mainstream Oktoberfests but then again
I've never been to Germany! I am by the way in Chicago.
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 20:26:11
From: Bart Goddard
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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redrump21@yahoo.com wrote:
> When I noticed on
> the right side of the label "ALE" next to the proof of Purchase.
It's a USA thing. By law (at least by an old law) beer can't
advertize its percentage, but wine _must_. (No pun intended.)
Further, beer was categorized strictly by alcohol content into
the categories "beer", "malt liquor", and "ale", in order of
strength. The law said that if a beer was of a certain
alcohol content then it _must_ be labeled "ale". It has
nothing to do with style.
B.
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The man without a .sig
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Date: 12 Sep 2006 12:25:38
From: Gerard Eberlein
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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"Bart Goddard" <goddardbe@netscape.net > wrote in message
news:Xns983B9CE6F70BFgoddardb@129.250.170.81...
> redrump21@yahoo.com wrote:
>
By law (at least by an old law) beer can't
advertize its percentage, but wine _must_
I see beers all the time on boxes etc. that list ABV. Ice beers being the
ones I recall the most.
Gerard
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Date: 12 Sep 2006 16:44:51
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:25:38 -0400, <dormouse@charter.net > wrote:
>
> "Bart Goddard" <goddardbe@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns983B9CE6F70BFgoddardb@129.250.170.81...
>> redrump21@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
> By law (at least by an old law) beer can't
> advertize its percentage, but wine _must_
>
> I see beers all the time on boxes etc. that list ABV. Ice beers being the
> ones I recall the most.
I think the law changed a few years ago. It might be a state/county thing
though, rather than federal.
John.
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Date: 12 Sep 2006 09:55:42
From: Bill Riel
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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In article <slrnegdp5s.2ea.spam@weizen.shagg.net >, spam@shagg.net
says...
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:25:38 -0400, <dormouse@charter.net> wrote:
> >
> > "Bart Goddard" <goddardbe@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > news:Xns983B9CE6F70BFgoddardb@129.250.170.81...
> >> redrump21@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> > By law (at least by an old law) beer can't
> > advertize its percentage, but wine _must_
> >
> > I see beers all the time on boxes etc. that list ABV. Ice beers being the
> > ones I recall the most.
>
> I think the law changed a few years ago. It might be a state/county thing
> though, rather than federal.
I'm pretty sure that it's a state or county thing. In some cases ABV
*must* be displayed. In others, it's illegal to display it. All pretty
hilarious when you think about it...
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Bill
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Date: 12 Sep 2006 17:43:11
From: Bart Goddard
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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me@privacy.net wrote:
> I'm pretty sure that it's a state or county thing. In some cases ABV
> *must* be displayed. In others, it's illegal to display it. All pretty
> hilarious when you think about it...
Yup. The purported thinking is that wine ABV must be reported
so that the _more intellegent_ wine drinkers can make informed
choices. OTOH, low-brow beer-swillers, who are controlled
solely by their appetites would chase after the
highest ABV they could find, and so must be protected from such
aggressive marketing practices.
Personally, I've never met a wine drinker that impressed me
with either his intellegence nor his ability to make good
decisions. (After all, he chose wine over beer.) Have
you ever heard of a "beer-o"? Me neither.
Bart
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The man without a .sig
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 17:53:33
From: Bob S
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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Coors challenged the federal standard years ago and won the right to place
the abv on their containers. States rights, however, take precedence.
>> By law (at least by an old law) beer can't
>> advertize its percentage, but wine _must_
>>
>> I see beers all the time on boxes etc. that list ABV. Ice beers being the
>> ones I recall the most.
>
> I think the law changed a few years ago. It might be a state/county thing
> though, rather than federal.
>
>
> John.
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 13:26:09
From: Denny Conn
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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Spitzbuben wrote:
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> So I was sitting and enjoying a Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest just a few
> minutes ago. I was sitting there gazing at the beautiful bottle.
> Thanking God the Germans believe in green bottles. When I noticed on
> the right side of the label "ALE" next to the proof of Purchase. Why
> does it say that?
Are you by any chance in Texas? That's one of the states that dictates
beer labelling based on bizarre ideas. Almost any strong lager you find
in Texas is labelled as an ale. I assure you that HP Ofest is NOT an
ale!
>
> On a (Hopefully) completely seperate topic, have any of you had the HS
> Oktoberfest this year? It tastes different then in years past. More
> nuttyer, perhaps even biscuity. More Munich Malt ya think? It's just
> different. Try it. I think I like the years past better.
Damn, now I gotta go find some!
--------- >Denny
--
Life begins at 60...1.060, that is.
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Date: 12 Sep 2006 12:17:01
From: Andy Davison
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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On Monday 11 September 2006 20:51, Spitzbuben wrote:
> Thanking God the Germans believe in green bottles.
Why? Brown bottles are the thing to go for. They prevent the beer becoming
light-struck/skunked. Green and clear glass offer no protection.
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Andy Davison
andy [at] oiyou [dot] ukfsn [dot] org
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Date: 12 Sep 2006 10:23:53
From: Spitzbuben
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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> > Thanking God the Germans believe in green bottles.
Sorry... Correction! Thanking God the Germans DON'T believe in green
bottles (At Least for Oktoberfest).
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 01:51:12
From: Andy Davison
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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On Tuesday 12 September 2006 18:23, Spitzbuben wrote:
> Sorry... Correction! Thanking God the Germans DON'T believe in green
> bottles (At Least for Oktoberfest).
German brewers don't. Unfortunately German marketing people and accountants
do and they only care about the look that sells. They wouldn't know decent
beer if it jumped up and bit them in the arse. This is also why it's nigh
on impossible to get unfiltered German lager in the UK.
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Andy Davison
andy [at] oiyou [dot] ukfsn [dot] org
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 10:02:11
From: Denny Conn
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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Spitzbuben wrote:
>
> > > Thanking God the Germans believe in green bottles.
> Sorry... Correction! Thanking God the Germans DON'T believe in green
> bottles (At Least for Oktoberfest).
Unfortunately, I had a skunked Spaten Ofest from a green bottle
yesterday...
---------- >Denny
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Life begins at 60...1.060, that is.
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 12:14:44
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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Denny Conn wrote:
> Spitzbuben wrote:
>>>> Thanking God the Germans believe in green bottles.
>> Sorry... Correction! Thanking God the Germans DON'T believe in green
>> bottles (At Least for Oktoberfest).
>
> Unfortunately, I had a skunked Spaten Ofest from a green bottle
> yesterday...
>
> ---------->Denny
> --
> Life begins at 60...1.060, that is.
Yeah -- PLENTY of continental breweries still use green bottles
unfortunately -- one of the reasons PU usually sucks from bottles. But
even brown bottles will get skunky eventually unless they're kept out of
light.
Fortunately the local tap room here should get Spaten and Paulaner
OFest on tap soon. Lunch will get just a little longer...
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 10:22:38
From: Denny Conn
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty wrote:
> Yeah -- PLENTY of continental breweries still use green bottles
> unfortunately -- one of the reasons PU usually sucks from bottles. But
> even brown bottles will get skunky eventually unless they're kept out of
> light.
The place where I bought this beer is great about that...they have unlit
coolers. It must have happened before it got to them. Funny thing is
that I also bought a Spaten pils, but it was in a BROWN bottle! Makes
ya wonder why they used green for the Ofest!
> Fortunately the local tap room here should get Spaten and Paulaner
> OFest on tap soon. Lunch will get just a little longer...
The place mentioned above is getting dset to put 10 different Ofests on
tap!
--------- >Denny
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Life begins at 60...1.060, that is.
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 12:35:38
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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Denny Conn wrote:
> The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty wrote:
>
>> Fortunately the local tap room here should get Spaten and Paulaner
>> OFest on tap soon. Lunch will get just a little longer...
>
> The place mentioned above is getting dset to put 10 different Ofests on
> tap!
I seriously need to move to Oregon.
--
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http://www.swampgas.com/robotics/rover.html
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Buy several copies today!
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 11:32:02
From: Denny Conn
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty wrote:
> I seriously need to move to Oregon.
Or at least come out for a beer tour...
--------- >Denny
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Life begins at 60...1.060, that is.
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 10:01:21
From: Denny Conn
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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Spitzbuben wrote:
> denny, yes you should try it this year. I think I lean more toward
> the Spaten Oktoberfest of the mainstream Oktoberfests but then again
> I've never been to Germany! I am by the way in Chicago.
Picked up a Spaten Ofest yesterday that was skunked! First time I've
ever had a bad one, and the place I bought it does a great job of
storage. Bummed....I also picked up an Ayinger Ofest that was heavenly!
--------- >Denny
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Life begins at 60...1.060, that is.
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 17:10:28
From: Joel
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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Denny Conn <denny.g.conn@ci.eugene.or.us > wrote:
>Picked up a Spaten Ofest yesterday that was skunked! First time I've
>ever had a bad one, and the place I bought it does a great job of
>storage. Bummed....
I once got some Spaten O'fest (in brown 0.5l bottles)
that had soured!
>I also picked up an Ayinger Ofest that was heavenly!
Haven't seen that one in a long time, but ir was always
a favorite. I hope your sighting indicates it's being
imported again!
--
Joel Plutchak "Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and
plutchak@[...] sometimes I think we're not. In either case the idea
is quite staggering." - Arthur C. Clarke
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 10:15:02
From: Denny Conn
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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Joel wrote:
> Haven't seen that one in a long time, but ir was always
> a favorite. I hope your sighting indicates it's being
> imported again!
My favorite GoodBeer store here pretty much always has it in stock,
along with pretty much all of Ayinger's line.
---------- >Denny
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Life begins at 60...1.060, that is.
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 04:56:22
From: GeoffT
Subject: Re: Hacker Pschorr Oktoberfest ALE!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? What the!
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I made a Hacker Pschorr O-fest clone recently that turned out nicely.
Accidently made it into a Bock, though, by overshooting my OG and
underhopping.
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