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Date: 01 Sep 2006 15:08:36
From: JS
Subject: Guidlines Question
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I have a rather nit-picky question, but I thought it might generate
some interest. I made a split batch of an Ordinary Bitter, using
CL-150 and WLP005. Now I knew the CL-150 was a weak attenuator. The
guidelines, acc. to Beertools, is for an OG of 1.032 to 1.040, with a
FG of 1.007 to 1.011. I overshot my gravity by 2 pts, for an OG of
1.042. Here's the interesting part: I first bottled the CL-150 two
days ago, and the FG was 1.015, beyond the GL, but the GL range for
alc. is 3.2 to 3.8% abv. I hit a perfect 3.5% on this.
Well, today, I bottled the WLP005, and the gravity was 1.010, which
makes the abv 4.2%.
Now, if these were entered in comp., would the judges go strictly by
taste, appearance, and other observable things, or would they want the
OG and FG provided by the submitter? My hunch is that since the
CL-150 ended up with the correct abv, then the over-high OG was
mitigated by the under-attenuation of the yeast, whereas the WLP005
ended up too strong by abv to qualify for the style.
Comments?
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 20:46:13
From: Joel
Subject: Re: Guidlines Question
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JS <jayceeessfouratfrontiernetdotnet > wrote:
>Now, if these were entered in comp., would the judges go strictly by
>taste, appearance, and other observable things, or would they want the
>OG and FG provided by the submitter? My hunch is that since the
>CL-150 ended up with the correct abv, then the over-high OG was
>mitigated by the under-attenuation of the yeast, whereas the WLP005
>ended up too strong by abv to qualify for the style.
>Comments?
Judges judge blind-- they get your beer and the style
you entered it as. I would be willing to bet that no
judge can tell the difference between two gravity points.
--
Joel Plutchak "Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and
plutchak@[...] sometimes I think we're not. In either case the idea
is quite staggering." - Arthur C. Clarke
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 17:26:53
From: JS
Subject: Re: Guidlines Question
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On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:46:13 +0000 (UTC), plutchak@see.headers (Joel)
wrote:
>JS <jayceeessfouratfrontiernetdotnet> wrote:
>>Now, if these were entered in comp., would the judges go strictly by
>>taste, appearance, and other observable things, or would they want the
>>OG and FG provided by the submitter? My hunch is that since the
>>CL-150 ended up with the correct abv, then the over-high OG was
>>mitigated by the under-attenuation of the yeast, whereas the WLP005
>>ended up too strong by abv to qualify for the style.
>
>>Comments?
>
> Judges judge blind-- they get your beer and the style
>you entered it as. I would be willing to bet that no
>judge can tell the difference between two gravity points.
Well, yes, but in the case of the batch with WLP005, it ended up
higher in abv than the guidlines. While they may not be able to
detect a 2 GP difference, they should (Iwould hope) be able to discern
that a brew is nearly .5% higher in alc than the style calls for.
This puts the brew in the category of Special Bitter. So I ended up
with two different Bitter categories from the same batch, just by
splitting it for two different yeasts.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 10:18:35
From: Don Levey
Subject: Re: Guidlines Question
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JS <jayceeessfouratfrontiernetdotnet > writes:
> On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:46:13 +0000 (UTC), plutchak@see.headers (Joel)
> wrote:
>
> >JS <jayceeessfouratfrontiernetdotnet> wrote:
> >>Now, if these were entered in comp., would the judges go strictly by
> >>taste, appearance, and other observable things, or would they want the
> >>OG and FG provided by the submitter? My hunch is that since the
> >>CL-150 ended up with the correct abv, then the over-high OG was
> >>mitigated by the under-attenuation of the yeast, whereas the WLP005
> >>ended up too strong by abv to qualify for the style.
> >
> >>Comments?
> >
> > Judges judge blind-- they get your beer and the style
> >you entered it as. I would be willing to bet that no
> >judge can tell the difference between two gravity points.
>
> Well, yes, but in the case of the batch with WLP005, it ended up
> higher in abv than the guidlines. While they may not be able to
> detect a 2 GP difference, they should (Iwould hope) be able to discern
> that a brew is nearly .5% higher in alc than the style calls for.
> This puts the brew in the category of Special Bitter. So I ended up
> with two different Bitter categories from the same batch, just by
> splitting it for two different yeasts.
>
If the entry fee is not an issue, why not enter the high ABV beer in
both categories? Along with entering the CL-150 in its category,
you've now got three oppportunities for ratings and comments, from
(potentially) two separate groups of judges.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 14:51:32
From: JS
Subject: Re: Guidlines Question
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On 02 Sep 2006 10:18:35 -0400, Don Levey <Don_RCB@the-leveys.us >
wrote:
>JS <jayceeessfouratfrontiernetdotnet> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:46:13 +0000 (UTC), plutchak@see.headers (Joel)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >JS <jayceeessfouratfrontiernetdotnet> wrote:
>> >>Now, if these were entered in comp., would the judges go strictly by
>> >>taste, appearance, and other observable things, or would they want the
>> >>OG and FG provided by the submitter? My hunch is that since the
>> >>CL-150 ended up with the correct abv, then the over-high OG was
>> >>mitigated by the under-attenuation of the yeast, whereas the WLP005
>> >>ended up too strong by abv to qualify for the style.
>> >
>> >>Comments?
>> >
>> > Judges judge blind-- they get your beer and the style
>> >you entered it as. I would be willing to bet that no
>> >judge can tell the difference between two gravity points.
>>
>> Well, yes, but in the case of the batch with WLP005, it ended up
>> higher in abv than the guidlines. While they may not be able to
>> detect a 2 GP difference, they should (Iwould hope) be able to discern
>> that a brew is nearly .5% higher in alc than the style calls for.
>> This puts the brew in the category of Special Bitter. So I ended up
>> with two different Bitter categories from the same batch, just by
>> splitting it for two different yeasts.
>>
>If the entry fee is not an issue, why not enter the high ABV beer in
>both categories? Along with entering the CL-150 in its category,
>you've now got three oppportunities for ratings and comments, from
>(potentially) two separate groups of judges.
That is good creative advice. I wasn't actually planning on entering
a comp.; my question was more theoretical in nature. But thanks.
John S.
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