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Date: 18 Sep 2006 13:44:27
From: Mike
Subject: Good Source for Brew Kettle
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Can anyone recommend a good source for buying a brew kettle?
Thanks for the help
-mike
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Date: 18 Sep 2006 21:04:54
From: Lefty Skywalker
Subject: Re: Good Source for Brew Kettle
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Mike wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a good source for buying a brew kettle?
How big? I bought a blue enameled aluminum 16qt thing at Wal-Mart. I
think it was around twenty bucks. Had some kind of mexican food
strainer dingus in it. Tamale pot maybe? They had a lot of big stock
pots, some bigger and some stainless if that's what you want. Big bucks
for a name brand pot from Crate & Barrel is not something you need to do
for beer. Or anything, probably. Except maybe knives.
--
Daniel O. Miller
"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the
fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true
science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer marvel, is as good
as dead, and his eyes are dimmed." - Albert Einstein
WWYD? (-o-) <* > Genesis 49:17
Real email address: darth dot lefty at golf mike able india lima.
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Date: 18 Sep 2006 18:34:14
From: Matt
Subject: Re: Good Source for Brew Kettle
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> > >> Can anyone recommend a good source for buying a brew kettle?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for the help
> > >> -mike
Check out Building 19 if you have one in your area. I found a 7 gallon
stainless for 40 bucks. I think most of them are in the New England
area, but they may have other stores around the country.
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Date: 18 Sep 2006 22:21:20
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Good Source for Brew Kettle
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Matt wrote:
>>>>>Can anyone recommend a good source for buying a brew kettle?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for the help
>>>>>-mike
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> Check out Building 19 if you have one in your area. I found a 7 gallon
> stainless for 40 bucks. I think most of them are in the New England
> area, but they may have other stores around the country.
Really.. I'll have to check out the one in Burlington, MA.
--
Dan
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Date: 18 Sep 2006 15:33:32
From: Joshness
Subject: Re: Good Source for Brew Kettle
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:09:57 -0400, <> wrote:
> > Mike wrote:
> >> Can anyone recommend a good source for buying a brew kettle?
> >>
> >> Thanks for the help
> >> -mike
> >
> > How large a kettle are you looking for? For extract brewing on your
> > stovetop, Wal-Mart stores sell a 22-qt. (5.5 gallon) pot that actually
> > looks really nice. It's stainless steel, has a 3-layer bottom with an
> > aluminum core for good heat distribution, and a glass lid, for something
> > like $45. If I were looking for a good starter kettle, that would be it.
>
> Another option would be to get a "turkey fryer kit" from HomeDepot, or
> similar places. It's usually a 7 gallon AL kettle plus a propane burner.
> In the off season (IOW not Thanksgiving), you can usually find them on
> sale/clearance for around $50.
>
>
> John.
This is what I use. Comes with a burner, stand, 7 gal pot, and
thermometer for $40 at Lowe's. Works great - brings up a foil boil
pretty fast. And filling the pot to the botom rivets = almost a
perfect 5 gals after evaporation.
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Date: 18 Sep 2006 15:39:46
From: MattMika
Subject: Re: Good Source for Brew Kettle
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On 18 Sep 2006 13:44:27 -0700, "Mike" <michaelschmit@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Can anyone recommend a good source for buying a brew kettle?
>
>Thanks for the help
>-mike
Checkout this place, seem to have some decent deals on stock pots...
http://www.instawares.com/
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the
tranquillity of servitude better than the
animating contest of freedom, depart from us in
peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms.
Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you.
May your chains rest lightly upon you and may
posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
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Date: 18 Sep 2006 17:09:57
From: Steve Kranz
Subject: Re: Good Source for Brew Kettle
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Mike wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a good source for buying a brew kettle?
>
> Thanks for the help
> -mike
How large a kettle are you looking for? For extract brewing on your
stovetop, Wal-Mart stores sell a 22-qt. (5.5 gallon) pot that actually
looks really nice. It's stainless steel, has a 3-layer bottom with an
aluminum core for good heat distribution, and a glass lid, for something
like $45. If I were looking for a good starter kettle, that would be it.
--
Steve Kranz
Homebrewer extraordinaire, banjo player mediocaire
Visit the Midnight Homebrewers' League on the web at:
http://users.adelphia.net/~smkranz
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Date: 18 Sep 2006 21:27:44
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Good Source for Brew Kettle
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On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:09:57 -0400, < > wrote:
> Mike wrote:
>> Can anyone recommend a good source for buying a brew kettle?
>>
>> Thanks for the help
>> -mike
>
> How large a kettle are you looking for? For extract brewing on your
> stovetop, Wal-Mart stores sell a 22-qt. (5.5 gallon) pot that actually
> looks really nice. It's stainless steel, has a 3-layer bottom with an
> aluminum core for good heat distribution, and a glass lid, for something
> like $45. If I were looking for a good starter kettle, that would be it.
Another option would be to get a "turkey fryer kit" from HomeDepot, or
similar places. It's usually a 7 gallon AL kettle plus a propane burner.
In the off season (IOW not Thanksgiving), you can usually find them on
sale/clearance for around $50.
John.
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Date: 18 Sep 2006 21:06:41
From: Lefty Skywalker
Subject: Re: Good Source for Brew Kettle
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> Another option would be to get a "turkey fryer kit" from HomeDepot, or
> similar places. It's usually a 7 gallon AL kettle plus a propane burner.
> In the off season (IOW not Thanksgiving), you can usually find them on
> sale/clearance for around $50.
I thought you weren't supposed to use bare aluminum?
--
Daniel O. Miller
"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the
fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true
science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer marvel, is as good
as dead, and his eyes are dimmed." - Albert Einstein
WWYD? (-o-) <* > Genesis 49:17
Real email address: darth dot lefty at golf mike able india lima.
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 15:25:15
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Good Source for Brew Kettle
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On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:06:41 -0700, <dmille15@hotmail.com > wrote:
> John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
>> Another option would be to get a "turkey fryer kit" from HomeDepot, or
>> similar places. It's usually a 7 gallon AL kettle plus a propane burner.
>> In the off season (IOW not Thanksgiving), you can usually find them on
>> sale/clearance for around $50.
>
> I thought you weren't supposed to use bare aluminum?
Aluminum is perfectly fine for brewing, and a lot cheaper than SS.
John.
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Date: 18 Sep 2006 16:55:57
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Good Source for Brew Kettle
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Mike wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a good source for buying a brew kettle?
Have you checked some local kitchen supply stores? I got a 5 gallon
stainless at a mall kitchen store for $60. Nice glass lid to it so I
can see whats going on.
--
Dan
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 05:29:59
From: mundiel
Subject: Re: Good Source for Brew Kettle
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Hmm, maybe Palmer didn't actually do a study, but he does mention the
fact in How to Brew:
http://www.howtobrew.com/appendices/appendixB.html
Now hopefully THIS isn't an old wive's tale too...
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 05:21:05
From: mundiel
Subject: Re: Good Source for Brew Kettle
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changey wrote:
> Lefty Skywalker wrote:
> > I thought you weren't supposed to use bare aluminum?
>
> I've heard the same thing, but can't find any reasoning why. Anyone?
The old wive's tale was that the aluminum from the pot would leech into
the beer at unhealthy levels. I think that's been disproved. IIRC
someone a while ago mentioned that John Palmer did a test and
determined the levels of aluminum in a 5 gallon batch after boiling in
an aluminum stock pot were less than in a couple tablets of antacid.
But I can't seem to locate that thread at the moment. That was the
gist of it regardless.
However, it is recommended that before using it for brewing you boil
tap water in your aluminum kettle for an hour to oxidize the surfaces
(It turns black) and only clean it out gently with the soft side of the
sponge. That theoretically makes the aluminum less porous.
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 15:52:45
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Good Source for Brew Kettle
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On 19 Sep 2006 05:21:05 -0700, <jromond@gmail.com > wrote:
> changey wrote:
>> Lefty Skywalker wrote:
>> > I thought you weren't supposed to use bare aluminum?
>>
>> I've heard the same thing, but can't find any reasoning why. Anyone?
>
> The old wive's tale was that the aluminum from the pot would leech into
> the beer at unhealthy levels. I think that's been disproved.
Thoroughly disproved. There was a big scare a number of years ago that
AL was a cause of Altzheimers. It turns out that the study which concluded
that was flawed. The AL leves they were measuring in brain tissue was
actually coming from a contamination in their experiment, nothing to do with
causing the disease.
There's also a misconception that AL should not be used in beer because of
the acidity. This is also incorrect. It's true that you do not want to
use an AL pot for something like tomatos, but the pH of wort is not low
enough to cause any problems.
Unfortunately those myths or old wives tales never seem to go away once they
get started.
> IIRC
> someone a while ago mentioned that John Palmer did a test and
> determined the levels of aluminum in a 5 gallon batch after boiling in
> an aluminum stock pot were less than in a couple tablets of antacid.
> But I can't seem to locate that thread at the moment. That was the
> gist of it regardless.
In addition to that, some studies were done comparing boiled wort in an AL
pot and a SS one. They then measured the AL level in the wort, and
determined that there was no significant difference. IIRC, they even found
a slightly higher AL level from the wort boiled in the SS kettle. However,
they mentioned that the difference was so small that it was probably just
due to measurement accuracy.
> However, it is recommended that before using it for brewing you boil
> tap water in your aluminum kettle for an hour to oxidize the surfaces
> (It turns black) and only clean it out gently with the soft side of the
> sponge. That theoretically makes the aluminum less porous.
I've never seen it turn black, usually a dull grey.
John.
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 11:43:53
From: Wheat
Subject: Re: Good Source for Brew Kettle
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"John 'Shaggy' Kolesar" <spam@shagg.net > wrote in message
news:slrneh04oj.qm7.spam@weizen.shagg.net...
> On 19 Sep 2006 05:21:05 -0700, <jromond@gmail.com> wrote:
>> changey wrote:
>>> Lefty Skywalker wrote:
>>> > I thought you weren't supposed to use bare aluminum?
>> However, it is recommended that before using it for brewing you boil
>> tap water in your aluminum kettle for an hour to oxidize the surfaces
>> (It turns black) and only clean it out gently with the soft side of the
>> sponge. That theoretically makes the aluminum less porous.
>
> I've never seen it turn black, usually a dull grey.
> John.
Actually the "rust" that forms on aluminum is called aluminum oxide an is
almost as hard as a sapphire and is an abrasive used in sandpaper.
Without it's "rust" coating aluminum would be very reactive to most
substances and would just dissolve.
Mercury removes aluminum oxide and is likely to cause any aluminum it comes
into contact with to dissolve after a short periord of time.
I doubt that you could permanently remove aluminum oxide from a brew kettle
with anything other than mercury. :) So I wouldn't worry about using a scrub
pad on your aluminum pots.
Bill
Bill
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 04:34:15
From: changey
Subject: Re: Good Source for Brew Kettle
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Lefty Skywalker wrote:
> John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> > Another option would be to get a "turkey fryer kit" from HomeDepot, or
> > similar places. It's usually a 7 gallon AL kettle plus a propane burner.
> > In the off season (IOW not Thanksgiving), you can usually find them on
> > sale/clearance for around $50.
>
> I thought you weren't supposed to use bare aluminum?
I've heard the same thing, but can't find any reasoning why. Anyone?
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 13:10:44
From: alebrewer
Subject: Re: Good Source for Brew Kettle
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Wheat wrote:
<snip >
>
> I doubt that you could permanently remove aluminum oxide from a brew kettle
> with anything other than mercury. :) So I wouldn't worry about using a scrub
> pad on your aluminum pots.
>
> Bill
An alkaline soution with a pH over about 10 (and some strong acids)
will eat right through aluminum amazingly quickly (actually, it
dissolves the oxide, exposing the reactive aluminum). The problem with
the scrub pad is that the aluminum is so soft, that you can end up
scraping the oxide off the surface, exposing the underlying aluminum.
The point is to not worry about the dark discoloration that develops on
an aluminum pot used to brew beer. Clean it, but don't try to make is
shiny.
In addition, while alkaline cleaners work well on Stainless Steel, you
don't want to use them on aluminum.
ab
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