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Date: 16 Nov 2006 01:07:01
From: Tim Carey
Subject: Gluten free beer
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Any ideas of something I can add to sorghum extract to impart some carmel
notes to the finished beer? I'm going play with some buckwheat, but not
sure what flavors I'm going to get.
Thanks for the help
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 04:15:37
From: MikeMcG
Subject: Re: Gluten free beer
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Tim Carey <timothy.carey@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Any ideas of something I can add to sorghum extract to impart
> some carmel notes to the finished beer? I'm going play with
> some buckwheat, but not sure what flavors I'm going to get.
If no-one already makes a crystal-sorghum (or extract? or similar) how
about trying to homebrew a wee batch of it yourself? I don't know how
exactly, but crystal malt is made by taking green barley malt (i.e.
malted but not roasted) & roasting it wet to crystallise the sugars.
I pinched the following from brewingtechniques.com
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Beeston's caramalt and crystal malts are all produced from green
two-row malt using the following method: The surface moisture is dried
off at about 122 =B0F (50 =B0C) for approximately five minutes. The malt
is then stewed at approximately 149-167 =B0F (65-75 =B0C) for about 40
minutes to stimulate the conversion of starches to sugars
(crystallization). Drying and curing then takes place at about 176 =B0F
(80 =B0C) for another 40 minutes, depending on the color required. The
final drying and curing temperature varies among products; curing is
typically done at about 275 =B0F (135 =B0C) for approximately two hours,
depending on the colour required. The darker the colours, the more
intense the flavor.
___________________________________________________________________________
AFAIK household sugar is gluten free, so maybe you could use a
sugar-based caramel syrup or treacle etc?
Good luck,
MikeMcG, nr Liverpool, UK
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 05:52:52
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Gluten free beer
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Tim Carey <timothy.carey@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Any ideas of something I can add to sorghum extract to impart
> some carmel notes to the finished beer? I'm going play with
> some buckwheat, but not sure what flavors I'm going to get.
Tim, from wence did you get the sorghum Extract? Breiss?
Craig Belser? Or another source?
Buckwheat works. Millet works.
You might consider buckwheat honey or wild flower honey.
Be aware that buckwheat has a very strong taste and
desperately need to br aged!
Dick
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Date: 17 Nov 2006 00:45:09
From: Tim Carey
Subject: Re: Gluten free beer
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I bought a 60lb. bucket of Breiss' Sweet Syrup Sorghum 45 extract. I bought
it over the phone from Northwest Extract and had it UPS'd from Milwaukee WI
area. ~$90 incl shipping for 60 lb.
I bought a cheap kitchen scale and portioned it off in 6 and 3.5 lb
(roughly) ziplocks. That's a whole other story.
Thanks for the tip on buckwheat.
"Dick Adams" <rdadams@smart.net > wrote in message
news:12lnv5k6o4omh1d@corp.supernews.com...
> Tim Carey <timothy.carey@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Any ideas of something I can add to sorghum extract to impart
>> some carmel notes to the finished beer? I'm going play with
>> some buckwheat, but not sure what flavors I'm going to get.
>
> Tim, from wence did you get the sorghum Extract? Breiss?
> Craig Belser? Or another source?
>
> Buckwheat works. Millet works.
>
> You might consider buckwheat honey or wild flower honey.
> Be aware that buckwheat has a very strong taste and
> desperately need to br aged!
>
> Dick
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Date: 17 Nov 2006 06:19:53
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Gluten free beer
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Tim Carey <timothy.carey@hotmail.com > wrote:
> "Dick Adams" <rdadams@smart.net> wrote:
>> Tim Carey <timothy.carey@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Any ideas of something I can add to sorghum extract to impart
>>> some carmel notes to the finished beer? I'm going play with
>>> some buckwheat, but not sure what flavors I'm going to get.
>> Tim, from wence did you get the sorghum Extract? Breiss?
>> Craig Belser? Or another source?
>>
>> Buckwheat works. Millet works.
>>
>> You might consider buckwheat honey or wild flower honey.
>> Be aware that buckwheat has a very strong taste and
>> desperately needs to be aged!
> I bought a 60lb. bucket of Breiss' Sweet Syrup Sorghum 45
> extract. I bought it over the phone from Northwest Extract
> and had it UPS'd from Milwaukee WI area. ~$90 incl
> shipping for 60 lb.
You my main man! I have wanted to get some for a long time,
but have not done so because I've been asking the same
question you have been asking: What to use with it?
African Sorghum beer uses millet which I understand is
difficult to malt. I'm also not sure it needs to be
malted.
An excellent source of information on sorghum beer is
Silly Yaks Bakery cafe in Australia (where malted sorghum
is readily available). E-mail them at info@sillyyak.com.au
- nice people.
> I bought a cheap kitchen scale and portioned it off in 6 and
> 3.5 lb (roughly) ziplocks. That's a whole other story.
An interesting choice of measurements as 6 lbs in a 5 gallon
batch should result in an OG of 1.044. If you decide to use
Buckwheat honey use no more than 10-2/3 oz and do no boil the
honey.
Unfortunately I have no idea of how to hop a Sorghum beer.
If you have Celiac disease, you need a "Dedicated Grain Mill"
for malted bucketwheat or it will get contaminated.
ALSO: You did not buy 'Sweet Syrup Sorghum'. You bought
'White Sorghum Syrup'. I am making this distinction because
White Sorghum and Sweet Sorghum are two different grains.
I have fermented Sweet Sorghum Syrup and it was a disaster!
Dick
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 22:21:26
From: Phil
Subject: Re: Gluten free beer
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 01:07:01 GMT, "Tim Carey"
<timothy.carey@hotmail.com > wrote:
>Any ideas of something I can add to sorghum extract to impart some carmel
>notes to the finished beer? I'm going play with some buckwheat, but not
>sure what flavors I'm going to get.
>
>Thanks for the help
Maltose Express (http://www.maltose.com) sells sorghum as well as
gluten-free recipe kits.
Phil
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visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website:
http://www.hbd.org/nychg
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Date: 18 Nov 2006 01:04:21
From: Tim Carey
Subject: Re: Gluten free beer
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I checked the sight and didn't see any ingredients or kits that were gluten
free? Is that the right place?
"Phil" <dogglebe@yahoooo.com > wrote in message
news:ljaql2lcqf7kj5pe9f1ebu261f9uo72tsq@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 01:07:01 GMT, "Tim Carey"
> <timothy.carey@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Any ideas of something I can add to sorghum extract to impart some carmel
>>notes to the finished beer? I'm going play with some buckwheat, but not
>>sure what flavors I'm going to get.
>>
>>Thanks for the help
>
> Maltose Express (http://www.maltose.com) sells sorghum as well as
> gluten-free recipe kits.
>
>
> Phil
> ======
> visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website:
> http://www.hbd.org/nychg
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Date: 18 Nov 2006 04:36:13
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Gluten free beer
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Tim Carey <timothy.carey@hotmail.com > wrote:
> "Phil" <dogglebe@yahoooo.com> wrote:
>> "Tim Carey" <timothy.carey@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Any ideas of something I can add to sorghum extract to impart
>>> some carmel notes to the finished beer? I'm going play with
>>> some buckwheat, but not sure what flavors I'm going to get.
>> Maltose Express (http://www.maltose.com) sells sorghum as well
>> as gluten-free recipe kits.
> I checked the sight and didn't see any ingredients or kits
> that were gluten free? Is that the right place?
Phil is a very sharp guy. I suggest you call Maltose Express.
They may not sell it. They may have stopped selling it. They
may not have it on their website. Or Phil was thinking of
another vendor.
Dick
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Date: 18 Nov 2006 05:39:05
From: Boll Weevil Brewery
Subject: Re: Gluten free beer
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"Dick Adams" <rdadams@smart.net > wrote in message
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> Tim Carey <timothy.carey@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Phil" <dogglebe@yahoooo.com> wrote:
>>> "Tim Carey" <timothy.carey@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Any ideas of something I can add to sorghum extract to impart
>>>> some carmel notes to the finished beer? I'm going play with
>>>> some buckwheat, but not sure what flavors I'm going to get.
>
>>> Maltose Express (http://www.maltose.com) sells sorghum as well
>>> as gluten-free recipe kits.
>
>> I checked the sight and didn't see any ingredients or kits
>> that were gluten free? Is that the right place?
>
> Phil is a very sharp guy. I suggest you call Maltose Express.
> They may not sell it. They may have stopped selling it. They
> may not have it on their website. Or Phil was thinking of
> another vendor.
>
> Dick
If I'm not mistaken, Listermann's (www.listermanns.com) also has a gluton
free beer kit available.
Ricky
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Date: 18 Nov 2006 20:40:50
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Gluten free beer
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Boll Weevil Brewery <spam@bwbd.com > wrote:
> If I'm not mistaken, Listermann's (www.listermanns.com) also
> has a gluton free beer kit available.
It's a 'gluten-free Mead Ale" kit. Dan Listermann may come by
and explain exactly what it is.
I previouly suggested adding "no more than 10-2/3 oz" of
Buckwheat honey to 6-lbs of Briess's White Sorghum Syrup in
a 5-gallon batch (without boiling the honey). Buckwheat has
such a strong taste it should not be more than 10% of the
grain bill and only a heathen would boil honey.
Dick
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Date: 18 Nov 2006 19:17:23
From: Phil
Subject: Re: Gluten free beer
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 01:04:21 GMT, "Tim Carey"
<timothy.carey@hotmail.com > wrote:
>I checked the sight and didn't see any ingredients or kits that were gluten
>free? Is that the right place?
Call them at 1(800) MALTOSE. It's not on their site but it's there.
Phil
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visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website:
http://www.hbd.org/nychg
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