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Date: 15 Sep 2006 21:49:39
From: Brew Man
Subject: Extract versus All Grain
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OK, so I got lazy... actually short of time for my last two batches so
I brewed extract beers again. I've been brewing all grain recipes over
the past year and a half and they have been coming out great. I have
nothing against extract brews since all of my early brews, about 20
extracts, came out very good.
One thing I noticed on the recent extract batches that I did is that
the beer has little to no head on it. Yes, the beer appears to
carbonated just fine and the glasses I'm pouring into are clean. The
beer has aged one month in the bottle, so it should be time to drink.
So, do extract beers naturally have less of a head? I know it is
mostly appearance, but that is what non-brewer friends look for first.
I also noticed a bit of a "bite" to it that my all grains never had.
It's a little hard to describe, but it is there. Maybe it is stale LME
that I've used. Anyway, I'm going back to brewing all grain this
weekend, but I am curious to know of your experiences.
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Date: 18 Sep 2006 15:10:36
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Extract versus All Grain
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On 15 Sep 2006 21:49:39 -0700, <fevolaj@hotmail.com > wrote:
> One thing I noticed on the recent extract batches that I did is that
> the beer has little to no head on it. Yes, the beer appears to
> carbonated just fine and the glasses I'm pouring into are clean. The
> beer has aged one month in the bottle, so it should be time to drink.
I can't say I've noticed a big difference in the head between my all
grain and extract beers. Maybe it was just something unique to the
couple of batches you did, and not necessarily related to them being
extract?
If it continues to be a problem there are ways of adjusting the recipe
to enhance the head.
John.
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 11:53:55
From: Denny Conn
Subject: Re: Extract versus All Grain
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> If it continues to be a problem there are ways of adjusting the recipe
> to enhance the head.
Or, as Chris Colby pointed out in BYO, adjuisting your fermentation
technique to enhance the head. If you have poor fermentation technique,
all the protein laden ingredients you use will do you no good.
http://www.byo.com/departments/1410.html
----------- >Denny
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 19:11:27
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Extract versus All Grain
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:53:55 -0700, <denny@projectoneaudio.com > wrote:
> John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
>
>> If it continues to be a problem there are ways of adjusting the recipe
>> to enhance the head.
>
> Or, as Chris Colby pointed out in BYO, adjuisting your fermentation
> technique to enhance the head. If you have poor fermentation technique,
> all the protein laden ingredients you use will do you no good.
>
> http://www.byo.com/departments/1410.html
FYI, I haven't read through it yet but when MDixon posted the link to the
Journal of the Institute of Brewing archives I noticed at least one paper
that talked about head properties and foam formation.
I grabbed copies of everything off their archive. One of these days when
I feel like frying a few brain cells I'm going to try reading through
it.
John.
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Date: 18 Sep 2006 10:20:49
From: Gerard Eberlein
Subject: Re: Extract versus All Grain
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"Brew Man" <fevolaj@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1158382179.124003.206990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> OK, so I got lazy... actually short of time for my last two batches so
> I brewed extract beers again. I've been brewing all grain recipes over
> the past year and a half and they have been coming out great. I have
> nothing against extract brews since all of my early brews, about 20
> extracts, came out very good.
>
> One thing I noticed on the recent extract batches that I did is that
> the beer has little to no head on it. Yes, the beer appears to
> carbonated just fine and the glasses I'm pouring into are clean. The
> beer has aged one month in the bottle, so it should be time to drink.
>
> So, do extract beers naturally have less of a head? I know it is
> mostly appearance, but that is what non-brewer friends look for first.
> I also noticed a bit of a "bite" to it that my all grains never had.
> It's a little hard to describe, but it is there. Maybe it is stale LME
> that I've used. Anyway, I'm going back to brewing all grain this
> weekend, but I am curious to know of your experiences.
>
I've never brewed AG but out of my 8 batches of extract I have had maybe 3
that held an OK head, one being an arrogant bastard clone , two were IPA's,
all three held about 1/2 inch head through most of drinking it. My hefes
carb nicely and faster but don't seem to hold a head. Oh by the way, I
bottle and use corn sugar exclusively for priming.
Gerard
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Date: 18 Sep 2006 10:35:40
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Extract versus All Grain
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Gerard Eberlein wrote:
> "Brew Man" <fevolaj@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1158382179.124003.206990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
>>OK, so I got lazy... actually short of time for my last two batches so
>>I brewed extract beers again. I've been brewing all grain recipes over
>>the past year and a half and they have been coming out great. I have
>>nothing against extract brews since all of my early brews, about 20
>>extracts, came out very good.
>>
>>One thing I noticed on the recent extract batches that I did is that
>>the beer has little to no head on it. Yes, the beer appears to
>>carbonated just fine and the glasses I'm pouring into are clean. The
>>beer has aged one month in the bottle, so it should be time to drink.
>>
>>So, do extract beers naturally have less of a head? I know it is
>>mostly appearance, but that is what non-brewer friends look for first.
>>I also noticed a bit of a "bite" to it that my all grains never had.
>>It's a little hard to describe, but it is there. Maybe it is stale LME
>>that I've used. Anyway, I'm going back to brewing all grain this
>>weekend, but I am curious to know of your experiences.
>>
>
>
> I've never brewed AG but out of my 8 batches of extract I have had maybe 3
> that held an OK head, one being an arrogant bastard clone , two were IPA's,
> all three held about 1/2 inch head through most of drinking it. My hefes
> carb nicely and faster but don't seem to hold a head. Oh by the way, I
> bottle and use corn sugar exclusively for priming.
Maybe its how you're cleaning the glass? I've had a few that had no head to
start, then head, but it goes away somewhat fast.
--
Dan
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Date: 18 Sep 2006 10:46:43
From: Mark R
Subject: Re: Extract versus All Grain
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"Dan Logcher" <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net > wrote in message
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> Maybe its how you're cleaning the glass?
Good point. The "no streak" additive in dishwashing detergent can be a
killer to head retention. I have a set of bar glasses that I hand wash and
rinse just for that reason.
Mark R
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 04:16:54
From: Brew Man
Subject: Re: Extract versus All Grain
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The glasses are run through the dishwasher, so they are clean.
However, I guess there could be some soap residue on the glass that I
am not aware of. I have heard that after washing the glass, it can be
rinsed in a salt/brine solution to eliminate any soapy residues. I
think I will give that a try before pouring the next bottle.
Thanks
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 12:26:29
From: Scott Barron
Subject: Re: Extract versus All Grain
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On 2006-09-19, Brew Man <fevolaj@hotmail.com > wrote:
> The glasses are run through the dishwasher, so they are clean.
> However, I guess there could be some soap residue on the glass that I
> am not aware of. I have heard that after washing the glass, it can be
> rinsed in a salt/brine solution to eliminate any soapy residues. I
> think I will give that a try before pouring the next bottle.
>
> Thanks
>
I try and wash all mine by hand but occassionaly one slips through to the
dishwasher. I noticed some head problems when this happened so I started
rinsing the glass and drying it with a lint free towel before using. No
head problems since. My dishwasher is a little old and there's often a
definite residue left behind. Another rule that is strictly followed is
that nothing but beer goes into the glasses (other than water/etc to clean
it, of course).
-Scott
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 09:46:04
From: Mark R
Subject: Re: Extract versus All Grain
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"Scott Barron" <nntp@elitists.net > wrote in message news:VlRPg.6559
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> I try and wash all mine by hand but occassionaly one slips through to the
> dishwasher. I noticed some head problems when this happened so I started
> rinsing the glass and drying it with a lint free towel before using. No
> head problems since. My dishwasher is a little old and there's often a
> definite residue left behind.
Another problem with dishwashers and hard water is micro etching of the
glass. After a while they will take on a "foggy" appearance that won't wash
off.
Mark R
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 12:13:55
From: Bob F
Subject: Re: Extract versus All Grain
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"Mark R" <marknorayspam@noev1spam.net > wrote in message
news:12h00k2d6j9mue7@corp.supernews.com...
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> "Scott Barron" <nntp@elitists.net> wrote in message news:VlRPg.6559
> >
> > I try and wash all mine by hand but occassionaly one slips through to
the
> > dishwasher. I noticed some head problems when this happened so I
started
> > rinsing the glass and drying it with a lint free towel before using. No
> > head problems since. My dishwasher is a little old and there's often a
> > definite residue left behind.
>
> Another problem with dishwashers and hard water is micro etching of the
> glass. After a while they will take on a "foggy" appearance that won't
wash
> off.
I've read that this is caused by using too much detergent. If you
have soft water, you don't need nearly what the manufacturers
recommend.
Bob
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Date: 22 Sep 2006 10:22:50
From: Mark R
Subject: Re: Extract versus All Grain
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"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com > wrote in message
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> >
> > Another problem with dishwashers and hard water is micro etching of the
> > glass. After a while they will take on a "foggy" appearance that won't
> wash
> > off.
>
> I've read that this is caused by using too much detergent. If you
> have soft water, you don't need nearly what the manufacturers
> recommend.
Is the detergent that abrasive? Why? I can only speak for our hard water. I
only use half the recommended quantity of detergent and the dishes are
particle free before they go in the dishwasher. I assumed it was the water
as several friends and neighbors have the same issues.
Mark R
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Date: 22 Oct 2006 00:47:37
From: Bob F
Subject: Re: Extract versus All Grain
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"Mark R" <marknorayspam@noev1spam.net > wrote in message
> >
> > I've read that this is caused by using too much detergent. If you
> > have soft water, you don't need nearly what the manufacturers
> > recommend.
>
> Is the detergent that abrasive? Why? I can only speak for our hard water.
I
> only use half the recommended quantity of detergent and the dishes are
> particle free before they go in the dishwasher. I assumed it was the water
> as several friends and neighbors have the same issues.
I don't think it's an issue of being abrasive. It's more of a chemical
etching thing.
Bob
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