Experiences with less common lager strains?

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Date: 04 Sep 2006 11:40:14
From: neal
Subject: Experiences with less common lager strains?

Hey all,

Please chime with your 2 cents in if you have used any of the less
commonly used lagers strains below or any others you've used besides
the high-use German strains from White Labs/Wyeast/DCL.

2035 American Lager Yeast
2042 Danish Lager Yeast
WLP850 Copenhagen Lager Yeast
WLP885 Zurich Lager Yeast
WLP833 German Bock Lager Yeast
WLP838 Southern German Lager Yeast
WLP920 Old Bavarian Lager Yeast

Second question:

Why does Saflager S-23 have such a bad rep from some here???...
supposed to be from the VLB Hefebank in Berlin and well used.

Thanks.

Date: 04 Sep 2006 20:18:37
From: neal
Subject: Re: Experiences with less common lager strains?

The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty wrote:
> I use both WYeast 2278 and WLP 802 (Ceske Bude...), the Czech strains,
> regularly with good results. Both ferment well at colder temps (mid 40s
> if you care to go that low) and work well over a variety of gravities.

I've used them both as well. The interesting thing is that WYeast and
White Labs are inconsitent in their relative characterizations of
Pinsener Urquell Yeast vs Budvar (Ceske Budojovice)

WLP802 Czech Budojovice Lager Yeast
Apparent attenuation: 75-80%. Flocculation: medium. Optimum temp:
50=B0-55=B0 F

WLP800 Pilsner Lager Yeast. (Urquell D)
Apparent attenuation: 72-77%. Flocculation: medium-high. Optimum
temp: 50=B0-55=B0 F

WYeast 2278 Czech Pils (Urquell D)
Apparent attenuation: 70-74%. Flocculation: medium-high. Optimum
temp: 48=B0-58=B0 F

WYeast 2000 Budvar Lager Yeast.
Apparent attenuation: 67-71%. Flocculation: medium. Optimum temp:
45=B0-54=B0 F

WYeast 2001 Urquell Lager Yeast. (Urquell H)
Apparent attenuation: 67-71%. Flocculation: medium. Optimum temp:
45=B0-54=B0 F

WYeast claims that Budvar is lower attenuating than Urquell-D, while
White Labs claims that Budvar is higher attenuating. Note that I'm
assuming that

I have used the now discontinued Wyeast 2002 Czech Gambrinus twice now,
good stuff. I can't say that it's better than the Budvar or Urquell
though.

Date: 05 Sep 2006 08:30:50
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: Experiences with less common lager strains?

neal wrote:
> The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty wrote:
>
>>I use both WYeast 2278 and WLP 802 (Ceske Bude...), the Czech strains,
>>regularly with good results. Both ferment well at colder temps (mid 40s
>>if you care to go that low) and work well over a variety of gravities.
>
>
> I've used them both as well. The interesting thing is that WYeast and
> White Labs are inconsitent in their relative characterizations of
> Pinsener Urquell Yeast vs Budvar (Ceske Budojovice)
>
> WLP802 Czech Budojovice Lager Yeast
> Apparent attenuation: 75-80%. Flocculation: medium. Optimum temp:
> 50°-55° F
>
> WLP800 Pilsner Lager Yeast. (Urquell D)
> Apparent attenuation: 72-77%. Flocculation: medium-high. Optimum
> temp: 50°-55° F
>
> WYeast 2278 Czech Pils (Urquell D)
> Apparent attenuation: 70-74%. Flocculation: medium-high. Optimum
> temp: 48°-58° F
>
> WYeast 2000 Budvar Lager Yeast.
> Apparent attenuation: 67-71%. Flocculation: medium. Optimum temp:
> 45°-54° F
>
> WYeast 2001 Urquell Lager Yeast. (Urquell H)
> Apparent attenuation: 67-71%. Flocculation: medium. Optimum temp:
> 45°-54° F
>
> WYeast claims that Budvar is lower attenuating than Urquell-D, while
> White Labs claims that Budvar is higher attenuating. Note that I'm
> assuming that
>
> I have used the now discontinued Wyeast 2002 Czech Gambrinus twice now,
> good stuff. I can't say that it's better than the Budvar or Urquell
> though.
>

I dunno -- I've always found attenuation and temp numbers from the yeast
vendors to be a little arbitrary.

In all honesty, I suspect that most lager strains give a pretty similar
end-product. There may be differences in fermentation behavior and
alcohol tolerance (I'm thinking of the Zurich strain here), but in the
end the yeast shouldn't contribute much to the flavor profile at all.

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Date: 04 Sep 2006 13:59:47
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: Experiences with less common lager strains?

I use both WYeast 2278 and WLP 802 (Ceske Bude...), the Czech strains,
regularly with good results. Both ferment well at colder temps (mid 40s
if you care to go that low) and work well over a variety of gravities.

I'll be using the Zurich yeast this year as soon as they make it
available. Tried reviving a tube from last year, but no luck -- it
revived, but I didn't like the smell or taste of a sample room temp
ferment, so I tossed it.

neal wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Please chime with your 2 cents in if you have used any of the less
> commonly used lagers strains below or any others you've used besides
> the high-use German strains from White Labs/Wyeast/DCL.
>
> 2035 American Lager Yeast
> 2042 Danish Lager Yeast
> WLP850 Copenhagen Lager Yeast
> WLP885 Zurich Lager Yeast
> WLP833 German Bock Lager Yeast
> WLP838 Southern German Lager Yeast
> WLP920 Old Bavarian Lager Yeast
>
> Second question:
>
> Why does Saflager S-23 have such a bad rep from some here???...
> supposed to be from the VLB Hefebank in Berlin and well used.
>
> Thanks.
>

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Date: 05 Sep 2006 09:23:09
From: Denny Conn
Subject: Re: Experiences with less common lager strains?

neal wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> Please chime with your 2 cents in if you have used any of the less
> commonly used lagers strains below or any others you've used besides
> the high-use German strains from White Labs/Wyeast/DCL.

> 2042 Danish Lager Yeast
makes a nice crisp lager without dicaetyl issues

> WLP833 German Bock Lager Yeast
nice amd malty. I've used it for dunkel, maibock, and ils with good
results

> Second question:
>
> Why does Saflager S-23 have such a bad rep from some here???...
> supposed to be from the VLB Hefebank in Berlin and well used.

Despite where it's from, I made some of the worst beer I've ever made
with it. I know others have had better luck with it, but I'll nenver
use it again. It made a disgustingly, undrinkably fruity beer.

------------ >Denny

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Date: 06 Sep 2006 15:41:26
From: neal
Subject: Re: Experiences with less common lager strains?

Date: 06 Sep 2006 17:58:39
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: Experiences with less common lager strains?