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Date: 02 Dec 2006 14:36:33
From: colin
Subject: Does beer fly?
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Hi all,
I'm flying home for xmas and I would like to bring some of my newly
bottled brew with me to distribute to thirsty kin. I'm traveling via
aeroplane and I was wondering if anyone has had trouble taking
home-bottled beer on flights? Does the FAA (or whatever aviation
regulation governs your skies) think it's sketchy if I check it in my
luggage? Does the pressure from flying affect the beer or, worse, bust
open the bottles? Anyone have experience in this? Am I better of
shipping my brew?
TIA!
colin
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 20:51:11
From: RomeoMike
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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You won't pass security in the USA with even one bottle of beer. Go on
the TSA website for details. Basically, you cannot carry on a container
of liquid or gel of more than 3 oz., and all liquid containers you carry
on must fit in a one quart zip lock bag and must be recognizable as a
legitimate product.
colin wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm flying home for xmas and I would like to bring some of my newly
> bottled brew with me to distribute to thirsty kin. I'm traveling via
> aeroplane and I was wondering if anyone has had trouble taking
> home-bottled beer on flights? Does the FAA (or whatever aviation
> regulation governs your skies) think it's sketchy if I check it in my
> luggage? Does the pressure from flying affect the beer or, worse, bust
> open the bottles? Anyone have experience in this? Am I better of
> shipping my brew?
>
> TIA!
> colin
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 01:24:24
From: Brian Foster
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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"colin" <colin@reply.via.usenet > wrote in message
news:eksv6t$d65$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm flying home for xmas and I would like to bring some of my newly
> bottled brew with me to distribute to thirsty kin. I'm traveling via
> aeroplane and I was wondering if anyone has had trouble taking
> home-bottled beer on flights? Does the FAA (or whatever aviation
> regulation governs your skies) think it's sketchy if I check it in my
> luggage? Does the pressure from flying affect the beer or, worse, bust
> open the bottles? Anyone have experience in this? Am I better of shipping
> my brew?
>
> TIA!
> colin
Fairly frequent and experienced traveler here. You are way better off
shipping the brew rather than trying to fly with it. Weight, security,
hassel. Ship it and forget about the hassel.
Just my $.02
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 06:39:59
From: Stoutman
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com > wrote in
news:cHpch.16035$Gk5.9216@tornado.texas.rr.com:
>
> "colin" <colin@reply.via.usenet> wrote in message
> news:eksv6t$d65$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm flying home for xmas and I would like to bring some of my newly
>> bottled brew with me to distribute to thirsty kin. I'm traveling via
>> aeroplane and I was wondering if anyone has had trouble taking
>> home-bottled beer on flights? Does the FAA (or whatever aviation
>> regulation governs your skies) think it's sketchy if I check it in my
>> luggage? Does the pressure from flying affect the beer or, worse,
>> bust open the bottles? Anyone have experience in this? Am I better of
>> shipping my brew?
>>
>> TIA!
>> colin
>
> Fairly frequent and experienced traveler here. You are way better off
> shipping the brew rather than trying to fly with it. Weight, security,
> hassel. Ship it and forget about the hassel.
>
> Just my $.02
>
>
I agree. You can't carry it on so you'd have to put it in your checked
luggage. The thought of my luggage getting tossed around with bottles of
my blessed brew inside...
Yep, I'd just ship it so I could sleep during the flight. ;)
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 15:25:14
From: alebrewer
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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colin wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm flying home for xmas and I would like to bring some of my newly
> bottled brew with me to distribute to thirsty kin. I'm traveling via
> aeroplane and I was wondering if anyone has had trouble taking
> home-bottled beer on flights? Does the FAA (or whatever aviation
> regulation governs your skies) think it's sketchy if I check it in my
> luggage? Does the pressure from flying affect the beer or, worse, bust
> open the bottles? Anyone have experience in this? Am I better of
> shipping my brew?
>
> TIA!
> colin
You will not get on the plane in a US airport or with a US destination
with it in your carry-on luggage. You used to be able to do this, but
not anymore.
In your checked bags, you should be fine. Of course, you need to
protect them from breakage, but in a properly capped bottle, they
should be fine. While I've never carried homebrew in my luggage, I
carry commercial beers (usually local beers of the place I am
visiting). The big issue in your luggage is the weight. Some airlines
will charge you extra for overweight luggage.
ab
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 22:49:55
From: DragonTail
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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colin wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm flying home for xmas and I would like to bring some of my newly
> bottled brew with me to distribute to thirsty kin. I'm traveling via
> aeroplane and I was wondering if anyone has had trouble taking
> home-bottled beer on flights? Does the FAA (or whatever aviation
> regulation governs your skies) think it's sketchy if I check it in my
> luggage? Does the pressure from flying affect the beer or, worse, bust
> open the bottles? Anyone have experience in this? Am I better of
> shipping my brew?
>
> TIA!
> colin
Depending on how much you want to take, put it in your carry-on. Then
pressure won't be a problem. However, I haven't flown since 9-11 so I'm
not sure on if it will get through the check points. If you do put it
in your check-in luggage, put it into plastic bags (ziplock, etc.), then
it won't wreck your cloths. I have taken "pressure sensitive" things on
the plane with my check-ins before and never had one burst, but anything
can happen.
Good luck,
Happy Holidays,
Cheers,
--
Michael Herrenbruck
Dragon Tail Ale
Drunken Bee Mead
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 15:14:36
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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colin wrote:
> I'm flying home for xmas and I would like to bring some of my newly
> bottled brew with me to distribute to thirsty kin. I'm traveling via
> aeroplane and I was wondering if anyone has had trouble taking
> home-bottled beer on flights? Does the FAA (or whatever aviation
> regulation governs your skies) think it's sketchy if I check it in my
> luggage? Does the pressure from flying affect the beer or, worse, bust
> open the bottles? Anyone have experience in this? Am I better of
> shipping my brew?
I have done this and I asked questions before I did. Do not
put any liquids of value or consequence in your carry-on
luggage. They will be confiscated like my after-shave lotion.
The security people will sift through your carry-on baggage.
My toothpaste an after shave lotion were also confiscated.
I am in constant lower back pain and take more opiates than
do some junkies, but all medicines were in prescription
bottles with my name on them and they went though.
The Mead I was carrying was in my send-through luggage. Each
bottle was wrapped in a plastic bag and each bag was bubbled
wrapped. No problemo.
When I go to OZ in 2007, I will be bringing 2 gallons of
Vermont Maple Syrup and will need to look into Australian
laws about importation. I have mailed VMS there without a
problem. My concern is the airline regulations.
Dick
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 04:24:16
From: Steve/Aus
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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"Dick Adams" <rdadams@smart.net > wrote in message
news:12n5qesnomrfl07@corp.supernews.com...
> colin wrote:
>
> When I go to OZ in 2007, I will be bringing 2 gallons of
> Vermont Maple Syrup and will need to look into Australian
> laws about importation. I have mailed VMS there without a
> problem. My concern is the airline regulations.
>
> Dick
Careful, the quarantine rules in Oz are a bit over the top. If it's organic
you're likely to lose it.
Airline security is pretty much the same as US by what I've read here,
including carrying liquids in your cabin luggage.
You can check the AQIS web site (Australian Quarantine), just type AQIS into
google and hit the go button for more info.
Steve W (in Aus)
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 23:46:11
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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Steve/Aus <adlab@bigponddotnetdotau.trashthisbit > wrote:
> "Dick Adams" <rdadams@smart.net> wrote:
>> When I go to OZ in 2007, I will be bringing 2 gallons of
>> Vermont Maple Syrup and will need to look into Australian
>> laws about importation. I have mailed VMS there without a
>> problem. My concern is the airline regulations.
> Careful, the quarantine rules in Oz are a bit over the top.
Don't blame 'em a bit for that. They don't need more crap for
which they have no predators.
> If it's organic, you're likely to lose it.
I do know that I got an e-mail from someone in AU govt. saying
maple syrup was ok.
> Airline security is pretty much the same as US by what I've
> read here, including carrying liquids in your cabin luggage.
Agreed, but for an interesting twist: When I was in Argentiana,
I always overbought my alcohol allowance from the duty free
store and declared it. Turns out the taxes due were not enough
for US Customs to do the paper work to collect them.
What irritated me was that the duty free store hand delivered
it to you on the plane after all the luggage was stored in the
overhead - so it was in the cabin. That was before 9/11.
> You can check the AQIS web site (Australian Quarantine),
> just type AQIS into google and hit the go button for more info.
I tried that but it won't go through. The utter rotters at
AQIS must have the site down for maintenance.
> Steve W (in Aus)
I sure you told me before, but where in OZ are you?
Dick
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 04:09:09
From: Steve/Aus
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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"Dick Adams" <rdadams@smart.net > wrote in message
news:12n9cq3nq9c82f0@corp.supernews.com...
> Steve/Aus <adlab@bigponddotnetdotau.trashthisbit> wrote:
>> "Dick Adams" <rdadams@smart.net> wrote:
>
>
> I sure you told me before, but where in OZ are you?
>
> Dick
Adelaide SA
Steve (in Aus)
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 06:19:15
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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Steve/Aus <adlab@bigponddotnetdotau.trashthisbit > wrote:
> "Dick Adams" <rdadams@smart.net> wrote:
>> Steve/Aus <adlab@bigponddotnetdotau.trashthisbit> wrote:
>> I sure you told me before, but where in OZ are you?
> Adelaide SA
Ah near Coopers Brewer's
Dick
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 23:52:46
From: Steve/Aus
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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"Dick Adams" <rdadams@smart.net > wrote in message
news:12na3r356kf2v4f@corp.supernews.com...
> Steve/Aus <adlab@bigponddotnetdotau.trashthisbit> wrote:
>> "Dick Adams" <rdadams@smart.net> wrote:
>>> Steve/Aus <adlab@bigponddotnetdotau.trashthisbit> wrote:
>
>>> I sure you told me before, but where in OZ are you?
>
>> Adelaide SA
>
> Ah near Coopers Brewer's
>
> Dick
>
My business premises is in the same suburb (Regency Park) as Coopers
Brewery. They are walking distance away from where I am sitting right now
(well, about 2Km actually).
Steve W (in Aus)
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 06:14:47
From: alebrewer
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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Stoutman wrote:
> "Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in
> news:cHpch.16035$Gk5.9216@tornado.texas.rr.com:
>
> >
> > "colin" <colin@reply.via.usenet> wrote in message
> > news:eksv6t$d65$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I'm flying home for xmas and I would like to bring some of my newly
> >> bottled brew with me to distribute to thirsty kin. I'm traveling via
> >> aeroplane and I was wondering if anyone has had trouble taking
> >> home-bottled beer on flights? Does the FAA (or whatever aviation
> >> regulation governs your skies) think it's sketchy if I check it in my
> >> luggage? Does the pressure from flying affect the beer or, worse,
> >> bust open the bottles? Anyone have experience in this? Am I better of
> >> shipping my brew?
> >>
> >> TIA!
> >> colin
> >
> > Fairly frequent and experienced traveler here. You are way better off
> > shipping the brew rather than trying to fly with it. Weight, security,
> > hassel. Ship it and forget about the hassel.
> >
> > Just my $.02
> >
> >
>
> I agree. You can't carry it on so you'd have to put it in your checked
> luggage. The thought of my luggage getting tossed around with bottles of
> my blessed brew inside...
>
> Yep, I'd just ship it so I could sleep during the flight. ;)
The only problem with shipping it is that it is illegal to ship alcohol
through the US mail and UPS won't take it, either. You'd have to lie
to them about the contents on your package to get them to accept it.
I'm not sure about FedEx, but it wouldn't surprise me if they took the
same stance as UPS.
Now, if lying helps you sleep....
ab
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 15:25:27
From: DragonTail
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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snip
>
> The only problem with shipping it is that it is illegal to ship alcohol
> through the US mail and UPS won't take it, either. You'd have to lie
> to them about the contents on your package to get them to accept it.
> I'm not sure about FedEx, but it wouldn't surprise me if they took the
> same stance as UPS.
>
> Now, if lying helps you sleep....
>
> ab
>
I've shipped bottles to competitions using Fed-Ex. I also now people who
have used UPS. It's almost kind of a "Don't ask, Don't tell" situation.
As long as you protect the bottles so that they wont break, there
won't be any reason for them to think it's anything other than say,
gifts. Just pack them like you are are shipping something like
snowglobes and mark the box "Fragile / Glass". If you do get asked
about what is in your package(s), say "Yeast samples", but I've never
had that prob.
Cheers,
--
Michael Herrenbruck
Dragon Tail Ale
Drunken Bee Mead
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 19:49:41
From: Stoutman
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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DragonTail <" DragonTail281"@gmail.com > wrote in
news:H%Bch.6618$U81.5785@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com:
> snip
>>
>> The only problem with shipping it is that it is illegal to ship
>> alcohol through the US mail and UPS won't take it, either.
My understanding is that UPS and Fed-Ex will allow person-to-person
shipments of beer/wine/liquor and it's not a big deal. Though, I've
never personally shipped beer to anybody I've received shipments of beer
and tequila through UPS and FedEx from friends before.
>> Now, if lying helps you sleep....
I have a sleep disorder that I take meds for so I can sleep regardless.
:)
> I've shipped bottles to competitions using Fed-Ex. I also now people
> who have used UPS.
I have yet to ship to a competition (someday perhaps) but all that I've
read from the submission forms is that USPS, indeed, it is illegal so
they won't accept beer sent through US Mail. However, they instead
instruct you to send through UPS or FedEx.
My guess is that it wouldn't take any lying or deception to send through
UPS or FedEx, just careful packaging and clearly marking that the
contents are glass and fragile.
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 01:34:29
From: Scott Alfter
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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In article <1165155287.496633.87320@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com >,
alebrewer <alebrewer@wt.net > wrote:
>The only problem with shipping it is that it is illegal to ship alcohol
>through the US mail and UPS won't take it, either. You'd have to lie
>to them about the contents on your package to get them to accept it.
>I'm not sure about FedEx, but it wouldn't surprise me if they took the
>same stance as UPS.
I've never had any problems shipping competition entries through FedEx.
They ask me no questions, and I've told them no lies. :-)
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(IIGS( http://alfter.us/ Top-posting!
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 01:31:34
From: Scott Alfter
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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In article <eksv6t$d65$1@news.Stanford.EDU >,
colin <colin@reply.via.usenet > wrote:
>I'm flying home for xmas and I would like to bring some of my newly
>bottled brew with me to distribute to thirsty kin. I'm traveling via
>aeroplane and I was wondering if anyone has had trouble taking
>home-bottled beer on flights?
It should be no more trouble than the commercial stuff I've brought back
from elsewhere. You will need to check it. If it's just a few bottles (a
half-dozen or less), it's easy enough to just roll each bottle in a shirt to
pad it and pack it in the middle of your suitcase. For larger quantities,
you can pack 25 bottles in a 14x14x14" cardboard box. Wrap each bottle in
two or three layers of bubble wrap, and put five layers of five bottles each
in the box. Arrange the bottles in each layer so that necks and bottoms
alternate, like this:
_ _____ _ _____ _
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 15:23:03
From:
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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: >Does the pressure from flying affect the beer or, worse, bust open the
: >bottles?
First off, it's not the pressure, but rather the vacuum at higher altitude
that could cause problems. As you can see here:
http://www.sablesys.com/baro-altitude.html
... even at 35kft, the ambient pressure is 7inHg. That's roughly 1/4 of an
atmosphere of absolute pressure... or roughly 4 psi instead of 14.7. That's a little
more than 10psi differential. That means that your bottle of homebrew at 2.5 volumes
CO2 carbonation requires 12 psi at 40 degrees, or 35 psi at 80 degrees. I don't know
of too many bottles that blow up in they get heated past 80 degrees. So, unless
you've already bottle-bombs of Hefeweitzen at 4.5 volumes and you pre-heat the bottles
to 90 degrees before you fly them unpressurized at 35kft, they ain't gonna blow. More
fun with numbers can be had here:
http://hbd.org/ford/brewinfo/kegcarb.html
Oh, and most baggage compartments are pressurized to cabin pressure... about
8000' for most planes. If they weren't everyone's shampoo bottles would probably blow
up in their luggage.
-Cory
--
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* Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA *
* Electrical Engineering *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
*************************************************************************
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 14:13:44
From: colin
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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colin wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm flying home for xmas and I would like to bring some of my newly
> bottled brew with me to distribute to thirsty kin. I'm traveling via
> aeroplane and I was wondering if anyone has had trouble taking
> home-bottled beer on flights? Does the FAA (or whatever aviation
> regulation governs your skies) think it's sketchy if I check it in my
> luggage? Does the pressure from flying affect the beer or, worse, bust
> open the bottles? Anyone have experience in this? Am I better of
> shipping my brew?
>
> TIA!
> colin
Thanks for all the info. Shipping seems like the least hassle, though
I've looked through the terms and services for major shipping outfits
(ups, fedex, dhl) and they all state that they only ship from licensed
entities (which I am manifestly not). But I can't imagine they will ask
what I put in a box :]
c
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 18:05:45
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 14:36:33 -0800, <colin@reply.via.usenet > wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm flying home for xmas and I would like to bring some of my newly
> bottled brew with me to distribute to thirsty kin. I'm traveling via
> aeroplane and I was wondering if anyone has had trouble taking
> home-bottled beer on flights? Does the FAA (or whatever aviation
> regulation governs your skies) think it's sketchy if I check it in my
> luggage? Does the pressure from flying affect the beer or, worse, bust
> open the bottles? Anyone have experience in this? Am I better of
> shipping my brew?
My understanding is that it's best to carry it on with you, rather than
put it in your luggage. I don't think there's a specific rule against
it, but you might want to call your airlines ahead of time and double
check. With all of the security crackdowns lately, it's hard to tell what
they'll get upset about.
John.
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 12:20:27
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 14:36:33 -0800, <colin@reply.via.usenet> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm flying home for xmas and I would like to bring some of my newly
>> bottled brew with me to distribute to thirsty kin. I'm traveling via
>> aeroplane and I was wondering if anyone has had trouble taking
>> home-bottled beer on flights? Does the FAA (or whatever aviation
>> regulation governs your skies) think it's sketchy if I check it in my
>> luggage? Does the pressure from flying affect the beer or, worse, bust
>> open the bottles? Anyone have experience in this? Am I better of
>> shipping my brew?
>
> My understanding is that it's best to carry it on with you, rather than
> put it in your luggage. I don't think there's a specific rule against
> it, but you might want to call your airlines ahead of time and double
> check. With all of the security crackdowns lately, it's hard to tell what
> they'll get upset about.
You must not have flown lately -- there are now major restrictions on
carrying any kind of liquids on board an airplane unless they were
purchased after you are through security. I think you're limited to 3-oz
in a container, itself contained in a zip-lock bag. You can always check
for the current restrictions here:
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm
Remember: always check your spear gun.
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 20:46:28
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:20:27 -0600, <mikey666@666swampgas.666com > wrote:
> You must not have flown lately
No, not recently.
> -- there are now major restrictions on
> carrying any kind of liquids on board an airplane unless they were
> purchased after you are through security. I think you're limited to 3-oz
> in a container, itself contained in a zip-lock bag. You can always check
> for the current restrictions here:
Now that you mention it, wasn't there a terrorist threat a while ago where
someone claimed to have gotten (or we caught someone planning on getting)
a form of liquid explosives on a plane? I think that's when the whole
restriction on liquids thing started.
Yeah, my info was probably out of date.
John.
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 22:48:22
From:
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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On Dec 3, 11:49 am, Stoutman <jynnxt@g..nospam..mail.com > wrote:
>
> My guess is that it wouldn't take any lying or deception to send through
> UPS or FedEx, just careful packaging and clearly marking that the
> contents are glass and fragile.
UPS has not problem if they do not know what it is ...
they are basically "don't ask, don't tell".
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 23:24:16
From: keith
Subject: Re: Does beer fly?
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colin wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm flying home for xmas and I would like to bring some of my newly
> bottled brew with me to distribute to thirsty kin. I'm traveling via
> aeroplane and I was wondering if anyone has had trouble taking
> home-bottled beer on flights? Does the FAA (or whatever aviation
> regulation governs your skies) think it's sketchy if I check it in my
> luggage? Does the pressure from flying affect the beer or, worse, bust
> open the bottles? Anyone have experience in this? Am I better of
> shipping my brew?
>
> TIA!
> colin
Wine distributer and frequent alcohol shipper here... UPS and/or FedEx
will ship alcohol. Both do have policies that dictate that the receiver
show proof of age (21+ of course).
There are great shipping containers available that fit 1L bottles well.
I use both six and twelve bottle specialty Styrofoam shipping cases
that completely shield the bottles from shock. They work great, and you
should be able to get one from a local specialty wine shop - don't try
janky liquor stores or grocery stores, they'll just look at you sideways...
If you're in NH, I've got you covered :)
Good luck,
Keith
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