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Date: 16 Aug 2006 11:00:03
From: CandyPalaceCal
Subject: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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I have started seeing a lot of the new 16 ounce aluminum bottles
around. I notice that they have a pry off lid rather than a screw off
top. A standard (Brewers best) cap seems to fit them just like a 12
ounce glass long neck. Has anyone tried bottling with these yet?
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 15:46:38
From: alebrewer
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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CandyPalaceCal wrote:
> I have started seeing a lot of the new 16 ounce aluminum bottles
> around. I notice that they have a pry off lid rather than a screw off
> top. A standard (Brewers best) cap seems to fit them just like a 12
> ounce glass long neck. Has anyone tried bottling with these yet?
The problem with re-using the aluminum (aluminiuim?) bottles is they
have a lacquer coating on the inside to keep the contents from
corroding the aluminum (this prevents the consumer of the contents from
developing Alzheimer's, you know ;^). This coating does not hold up
well to repeated cleanings, so your beer could start picking up some
unwanted flavors.
ab
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Date: 17 Aug 2006 08:52:14
From: Don Levey
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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"alebrewer" <alebrewer@wt.net > writes:
> CandyPalaceCal wrote:
> > I have started seeing a lot of the new 16 ounce aluminum bottles
> > around. I notice that they have a pry off lid rather than a screw off
> > top. A standard (Brewers best) cap seems to fit them just like a 12
> > ounce glass long neck. Has anyone tried bottling with these yet?
>
> The problem with re-using the aluminum (aluminiuim?) bottles is they
> have a lacquer coating on the inside to keep the contents from
> corroding the aluminum (this prevents the consumer of the contents from
> developing Alzheimer's, you know ;^). This coating does not hold up
> well to repeated cleanings, so your beer could start picking up some
> unwanted flavors.
>
So do they use these to prevent the Bud from picking up *any* flavour?
--
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Framingham, MA $ more beer
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 15:37:41
From: alebrewer
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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CandyPalaceCal wrote:
> I have started seeing a lot of the new 16 ounce aluminum bottles
> around. I notice that they have a pry off lid rather than a screw off
> top. A standard (Brewers best) cap seems to fit them just like a 12
> ounce glass long neck. Has anyone tried bottling with these yet?
The problem with re-using the aluminum (aluminiuim?) bottles is they
have a lacquer coating on the inside to keep the contents from
corroding the aluminum (this prevents the consumer of the contents from
developing Alzheimer's, you know ;^). This coating does not hold up
well to repeated cleanings, so your beer could start picking up some
unwanted flavors.
ab
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Date: 17 Aug 2006 11:50:20
From: Andy Davison
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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On Wednesday 16 August 2006 23:37, alebrewer wrote:
> (this prevents the consumer of the contents from
> developing Alzheimer's, you know ;^)
This is total bollocks. There has not been any proof found yet of a link
between aluminium and alzheimer's disease.
--
Andy Davison
andy [at] oiyou [dot] ukfsn [dot] org
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Date: 17 Aug 2006 18:32:37
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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Andy Davison <andydvsn@yahoo.co.uk > wrote:
> alebrewer wrote:
>> (this prevents the consumer of the contents from
>> developing Alzheimer's, you know ;^)
> This is total bollocks. There has not been any proof found
> yet of a link between aluminium and alzheimer's disease.
But there may be a link between drinking American Swill and
numerous physical, social, and psychological maladies. :)
Dick - A Condescending Brew Guy
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 12:07:29
From:
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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John Bleichert wrote:
> CandyPalaceCal <villageidiot@dawndollsplus.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have started seeing a lot of the new 16 ounce aluminum bottles
> > around. I notice that they have a pry off lid rather than a screw off
> > top. A standard (Brewers best) cap seems to fit them just like a 12
> > ounce glass long neck. Has anyone tried bottling with these yet?
> >
>
> I'd like to try but it would be difficult to get one without Budweiser
> on the inside. Plus, I bet the labels are a beotch to scrub off...
>
> ;-)
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> John Bleichert syborg@earthlink.net
> The heat from below can burn your eyes out!!
Hmmm, I wonder what caustic paint strippers would do to aluminium. :)
As to the first problem you mention you can probibly find a neighbor
that would drink the stuff. Or maybe you have a bunch of meat that
needs marinaiding/tenderizing.
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 12:23:26
From: Lefty Skywalker
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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imauser@gmail.com wrote:
> Hmmm, I wonder what caustic paint strippers would do to aluminium. :)
Eat holes in it, if the pH is high enough. Otherwise nothing.
--
Daniel O. Miller
"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the
fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true
science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer marvel, is as good
as dead, and his eyes are dimmed." - Albert Einstein
WWYD? (-o-) <* > Genesis 49:17
Real email address: darth dot lefty at golf mike able india lima.
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Date: 17 Aug 2006 10:38:44
From: Mark R
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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<imauser@gmail.com > wrote in message
>
> As to the first problem you mention you can probibly find a neighbor
> that would drink the stuff. Or maybe you have a bunch of meat that
> needs marinaiding/tenderizing.
>
Shame on you, AB would have a fit if he heard you say that. You know the
rule if it isn't fit for drinking it isn't fit for cooking. :-)
Mark R
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Date: 17 Aug 2006 19:35:58
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:38:44 -0500, <marknorayspam@noev1spam.net > wrote:
>
><imauser@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> As to the first problem you mention you can probibly find a neighbor
>> that would drink the stuff. Or maybe you have a bunch of meat that
>> needs marinaiding/tenderizing.
>>
>
> Shame on you, AB would have a fit if he heard you say that. You know the
> rule if it isn't fit for drinking it isn't fit for cooking. :-)
It makes good slug bait. Apparently, slugs are not very picky about their
beer.
John.
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 18:36:15
From: John Bleichert
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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CandyPalaceCal <villageidiot@dawndollsplus.com > wrote:
>
> I have started seeing a lot of the new 16 ounce aluminum bottles
> around. I notice that they have a pry off lid rather than a screw off
> top. A standard (Brewers best) cap seems to fit them just like a 12
> ounce glass long neck. Has anyone tried bottling with these yet?
>
I'd like to try but it would be difficult to get one without Budweiser
on the inside. Plus, I bet the labels are a beotch to scrub off...
;-)
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John Bleichert syborg@earthlink.net
The heat from below can burn your eyes out!!
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 06:58:20
From: Scott Alfter
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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John Bleichert <syborg@earthlink.net > wrote:
>CandyPalaceCal <villageidiot@dawndollsplus.com> wrote:
>> I have started seeing a lot of the new 16 ounce aluminum bottles
>> around. I notice that they have a pry off lid rather than a screw off
>> top. A standard (Brewers best) cap seems to fit them just like a 12
>> ounce glass long neck. Has anyone tried bottling with these yet?
>
>I'd like to try but it would be difficult to get one without Budweiser
>on the inside. Plus, I bet the labels are a beotch to scrub off...
A couple minutes with a can of brown spray paint would fix that. :-)
(I heard from one of the other local homebrewers that someone once sent
entries to a competition in Corona bottles that had been painted brown. The
rules only said the beer had to be in a brown bottle; they didn't say that
that meant the glass should be brown.)
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Date: 17 Aug 2006 06:27:23
From:
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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Andy Davison wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 August 2006 23:37, alebrewer wrote:
>
> > (this prevents the consumer of the contents from
> > developing Alzheimer's, you know ;^)
>
> This is total bollocks. There has not been any proof found yet of a link
> between aluminium and alzheimer's disease.
That may explain the tounge in cheek emoticon that he used. Anyway, if
I drank Bud I'd want Alzheimers so I could forget the experience.
> --
> Andy Davison
> andy [at] oiyou [dot] ukfsn [dot] org
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 02:06:27
From: Peter Tonkin
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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Nothing to forget.............;)
<yournotauser@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1155821243.182791.79050@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Andy Davison wrote:
>> On Wednesday 16 August 2006 23:37, alebrewer wrote:
>>
>> > (this prevents the consumer of the contents from
>> > developing Alzheimer's, you know ;^)
>>
>> This is total bollocks. There has not been any proof found yet of a link
>> between aluminium and alzheimer's disease.
>
> That may explain the tounge in cheek emoticon that he used. Anyway, if
> I drank Bud I'd want Alzheimers so I could forget the experience.
>
>> --
>> Andy Davison
>> andy [at] oiyou [dot] ukfsn [dot] org
>
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Date: 17 Aug 2006 21:11:59
From: Adam Funk
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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On 2006-08-16, CandyPalaceCal <villageidiot@dawndollsplus.com > wrote:
> I have started seeing a lot of the new 16 ounce aluminum bottles
> around. I notice that they have a pry off lid rather than a screw off
> top. A standard (Brewers best) cap seems to fit them just like a 12
> ounce glass long neck. Has anyone tried bottling with these yet?
I've never seen these. What's the point of them?
I suppose they're less dangerous than glass ones if a fight breaks
out.
--
And on special dank midnights in August he peeks
out of the shutters and sometimes he speaks
and tells how the Lorax was lifted away. [Dr. Seuss]
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 07:04:33
From: Scott Alfter
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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>I've never seen these. What's the point of them?
They don't break.
>I suppose they're less dangerous than glass ones if a fight breaks
>out.
Exactly...see above. That's also why some megaswill has been available in
plastic bottles in recent years (I think it's M*ll*r that does that).
They're useful in places where "they" don't want glass bottles (such as the
Las Vegas Strip on New Year's).
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 13:11:12
From: John Bleichert
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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In rec.crafts.brewing Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us > wrote:
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> In article <f5ver3-ifm.ln1@news.ducksburg.com>,
> Adam Funk <a24061@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>I've never seen these. What's the point of them?
>
> They don't break.
>
>>I suppose they're less dangerous than glass ones if a fight breaks
>>out.
>
> Exactly...see above. That's also why some megaswill has been available in
> plastic bottles in recent years (I think it's M*ll*r that does that).
> They're useful in places where "they" don't want glass bottles (such as the
> Las Vegas Strip on New Year's).
>
I went to see Slayer last month and they were only serving Bud in
plastic bottles. The plastic was a good thing - if they were glass it
would have been a gorefest at the show, and not just onstage.
Still the same old swill it ever was, though.
-----------------------------------------------
John Bleichert syborg@earthlink.net
The heat from below can burn your eyes out!!
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 04:47:07
From: Scotty B
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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Scott Alfter wrote:
> That's also why some megaswill has been available in
> plastic bottles in recent years (I think it's M*ll*r that does that).
> They're useful in places where "they" don't want glass bottles (such as the
> Las Vegas Strip on New Year's).
Or sporting events.
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 18:13:32
From: Scott Sellers
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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Scotty B <michaellasalle@gmail.com >:
>Scott Alfter wrote:
>> That's also why some megaswill has been available in plastic
>> bottles in recent years (I think it's M*ll*r that does that).
>> They're useful in places where "they" don't want glass bottles
>> (such as the Las Vegas Strip on New Year's).
>Or sporting events.
You see them at amusment parks too -- anyplace you don't want
broken glass on the ground. What isn't clear is why plain old
aluminum cans won't work. I mean, it's BMC isn't it?
Scott S
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Scott Sellers
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 21:29:28
From: Adam Funk
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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On 2006-08-18, Scott Sellers <scottsellers@mindspring.com > wrote:
>>> That's also why some megaswill has been available in plastic
>>> bottles in recent years (I think it's M*ll*r that does that).
>>> They're useful in places where "they" don't want glass bottles
>>> (such as the Las Vegas Strip on New Year's).
>
>>Or sporting events.
>
> You see them at amusment parks too -- anyplace you don't want
> broken glass on the ground. What isn't clear is why plain old
> aluminum cans won't work. I mean, it's BMC isn't it?
So you wouldn't set out to buy beer in "aluminum bottles" to drink at
home --- you'd buy it where that's all they sell or to take to a
place where you're not allowed to take glass, right?
And are these really just bottle-shaped cans?
--
It was down by the dank tarn of Auber,
In the ghoul-haunted woodland of Weir.
[Poe]
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 17:16:53
From: Lefty Skywalker
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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Adam Funk wrote:
> And are these really just bottle-shaped cans?
The definition goes by shape, not material...
--
Daniel O. Miller
"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the
fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true
science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer marvel, is as good
as dead, and his eyes are dimmed." - Albert Einstein
WWYD? (-o-) <* > Genesis 49:17
Real email address: darth dot lefty at golf mike able india lima.
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 22:26:40
From: Scott Sellers
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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Adam Funk <a24061@yahoo.com >:
>On 2006-08-18, Scott Sellers <scottsellers@mindspring.com> wrote:
[...]
>> You see them at amusment parks too -- anyplace you don't want
>> broken glass on the ground. What isn't clear is why plain old
>> aluminum cans won't work. I mean, it's BMC isn't it?
>So you wouldn't set out to buy beer in "aluminum bottles" to
>drink at home --- you'd buy it where that's all they sell or to
>take to a place where you're not allowed to take glass, right?
So far, I haven't felt compelled to buy anything in these
bottles. Left to my own devices, I'll pick something less
insulting, and more appetizing. Like a melted slurpee, warm diet
coke, or tepid fountain water.
>And are these really just bottle-shaped cans?
That's my take.
Scott S
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Scott Sellers
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Date: 21 Aug 2006 17:07:20
From: CandyPalaceCal
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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CandyPalaceCal wrote:
> I have started seeing a lot of the new 16 ounce aluminum bottles
> around. I notice that they have a pry off lid rather than a screw off
> top. A standard (Brewers best) cap seems to fit them just like a 12
> ounce glass long neck. Has anyone tried bottling with these yet?
Thanks for all the info. Since I have around 300 of these aluminum
bottles, I'm going to give it a whirl with a small 2 gallon batch and
I'll let everyone know how it turns out. If you don't hear from
me...Assume, it was NOT a smart idea!
Keep those Homebrews Going!
CandyPalaceCal
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Date: 22 Aug 2006 06:50:52
From: mlanoue@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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God, it's so nice to be able to come to a "place" where everybody hates
Bud.
Mark R wrote:
> <imauser@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > As to the first problem you mention you can probibly find a neighbor
> > that would drink the stuff. Or maybe you have a bunch of meat that
> > needs marinaiding/tenderizing.
> >
>
> Shame on you, AB would have a fit if he heard you say that. You know the
> rule if it isn't fit for drinking it isn't fit for cooking. :-)
>
> Mark R
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Date: 22 Aug 2006 18:39:15
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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mlanoue@yahoo.com <mlanoue@yahoo.com > wrote:
> God, it's so nice to be able to come to a "place" where
> everybody hates Bud.
To be fair and more specific, nobody hates Bud, Millers,
Coors, etc. It's just the consensus of opinion is that light
lagers (which I refer to as American Swill) are the low end
of the beer quality spectrum.
But the consensus is also that the Big Three have a consistency
in that the Bud at al you drink in Maine tastes the same as the
one you had in California.
Dick - A Condescending Brew Guy
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Date: 22 Aug 2006 20:15:19
From:
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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Scott Sellers wrote:
>
> Is there a category for Bud Lite? American lite light lager?
>
> Thank heaven for that quality control. So often, I go out to get
> a beer, and find something I haven't already had exactly the same
> of a thousand times before. This makes me uneasy, and raises all
> kinds of purity/identity issues.
The fact that they can make a beer in 5 or 6 breweries that tastes
exactly the same this year and next year, especially with a style that
is as unforgiving as an american light lager that will show every damn
defect is amazing. I still don't like their beers, but for the styles
they do make they make excellent examples. The fact that they sell
several billion bottles of the stuff is a testament to that. Hell, if
I could make a billion dollars a year making beer I don't like I would,
and then brew a bit of the stuff I like on the side.
>
> Thank god for Bud.
My uncle would agree with you whole heartedly. I can do without the
stuff, but that doesn't detract from the fact that they make a quality
product.
>
> I'm working on quality control myself. I have a keg of distilled
> water, carbonated to 3 volumes, with a cup of piss thrown in. It
> is remarkably consistent.
Then you need to vary your diet if your piss is the same day in and day
out. Hell, my piss varies by color and odor just depending on which
beer I'm drinking that night. I'll pass on a taste test though.
>
>
> Scott S
>
> --
> Scott Sellers
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 04:50:12
From: Scott Sellers
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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yournotauser@gmail.com <yournotauser@gmail.com >:
>Scott Sellers wrote:
>> Is there a category for Bud Lite? American lite light lager?
>>
>> Thank heaven for that quality control. So often, I go out to get
>> a beer, and find something I haven't already had exactly the same
>> of a thousand times before. This makes me uneasy, and raises all
>> kinds of purity/identity issues.
>The fact that they can make a beer in 5 or 6 breweries that
>tastes exactly the same this year and next year, especially with
>a style that is as unforgiving as an american light lager that
>will show every damn defect is amazing. I still don't like
>their beers, but for the styles they do make they make excellent
>examples. The fact that they sell several billion bottles of
>the stuff is a testament to that. Hell, if I could make a
>billion dollars a year making beer I don't like I would, and
>then brew a bit of the stuff I like on the side.
BMC make weak, tasteless brew. The fact that they sell billions
of bottles a year speaks not to the excellence of said, but to
the weak, tasteless state of the mass beer drinking populace.
>>
>> Thank god for Bud.
>My uncle would agree with you whole heartedly. I can do without
>the stuff, but that doesn't detract from the fact that they make
>a quality product.
Quality in the sense of lacking all qualities of taste, aroma,
mouthfeel, etc. A foolish consistency, and only getting worse if
BMC has their way.
It's the early 80's. We already had a range of identical, weak,
tasteless "American light lagers". In the quest for more
quality product, what does BMC come up with? Do they lead their
fellows on the path of flavor, enrichment and complexity?
No. They come up with Lite beer, and foist it upon the gullible
public. Just this evening, I saw a commercial that was critical
of Bud Lite. The protaganist? Miller Lite, inviting drinkers to
step up to flavor.
These are the parameters to the world of model BMC drinkers. Not
according to me. According to BMC marketing. This sort of
soulless, programatic degradation might be profitable. But this
is not a man's world.
Tastes Great!
Less Filling!
Scott S
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Scott Sellers
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 16:25:57
From: T.J. Higgins
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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In article <88RGg.525$bM.281@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net >, Scott Sellers wrote:
>BMC make weak, tasteless brew. The fact that they sell billions
>of bottles a year speaks not to the excellence of said, but to
>the weak, tasteless state of the mass beer drinking populace.
And to the power of marketing/advertising/sponsorship.
--
TJH
tjhiggin.at.hiwaay.dot.net
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 06:49:05
From: Wheat
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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"Scott Sellers" <scottsellers@mindspring.com > wrote in message
news:88RGg.525$bM.281@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> yournotauser@gmail.com <yournotauser@gmail.com>:
>
>>Scott Sellers wrote:
>
>>> Is there a category for Bud Lite? American lite light lager?
>>>
>>> Thank heaven for that quality control. So often, I go out to get
>>> a beer, and find something I haven't already had exactly the same
>>> of a thousand times before. This makes me uneasy, and raises all
>>> kinds of purity/identity issues.
>
>>The fact that they can make a beer in 5 or 6 breweries that
>>tastes exactly the same this year and next year, especially with
>>a style that is as unforgiving as an american light lager that
>>will show every damn defect is amazing. I still don't like
>>their beers, but for the styles they do make they make excellent
>>examples. The fact that they sell several billion bottles of
>>the stuff is a testament to that. Hell, if I could make a
>>billion dollars a year making beer I don't like I would, and
>>then brew a bit of the stuff I like on the side.
>
> BMC make weak, tasteless brew. The fact that they sell billions
> of bottles a year speaks not to the excellence of said, but to
> the weak, tasteless state of the mass beer drinking populace.
>
>>>
>>> Thank god for Bud.
>
>>My uncle would agree with you whole heartedly. I can do without
>>the stuff, but that doesn't detract from the fact that they make
>>a quality product.
>
> Quality in the sense of lacking all qualities of taste, aroma,
> mouthfeel, etc. A foolish consistency, and only getting worse if
> BMC has their way.
When one drinks beer in order to get drunk, the qualities that you mention
are unimportant to the drinker.
Bud/Miller will get a person as drunk as they want to be, after the second
or third beer alcohol is the desired quality of beer not taste, "mouthfeel",
aroma, etc.???
I would bet that almost no one drinks Bud/Miller seeking the qualities that
you describe and that Bud/Miller are giving the drinking public exactly what
they want.
If taste, "mouthfeel", aroma, etc., were all important, we'd all be brewing
non-alcoholic beer, wouldn't we? ;-)
To each his own, If a person likes to drink Bud/Miller, good for them!
Bill
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 00:55:13
From: Scott Sellers
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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Wheat <kotosho@netscape.net >:
>"Scott Sellers" <scottsellers@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:88RGg.525$bM.281@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> yournotauser@gmail.com <yournotauser@gmail.com>:
>>
>>>Scott Sellers wrote:
>>
>>>> Is there a category for Bud Lite? American lite light lager?
>>>>
>>>> Thank heaven for that quality control. So often, I go out to get
>>>> a beer, and find something I haven't already had exactly the same
>>>> of a thousand times before. This makes me uneasy, and raises all
>>>> kinds of purity/identity issues.
>>
>>>The fact that they can make a beer in 5 or 6 breweries that
>>>tastes exactly the same this year and next year, especially with
>>>a style that is as unforgiving as an american light lager that
>>>will show every damn defect is amazing. I still don't like
>>>their beers, but for the styles they do make they make excellent
>>>examples. The fact that they sell several billion bottles of
>>>the stuff is a testament to that. Hell, if I could make a
>>>billion dollars a year making beer I don't like I would, and
>>>then brew a bit of the stuff I like on the side.
>>
>> BMC make weak, tasteless brew. The fact that they sell billions
>> of bottles a year speaks not to the excellence of said, but to
>> the weak, tasteless state of the mass beer drinking populace.
>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank god for Bud.
>>
>>>My uncle would agree with you whole heartedly. I can do without
>>>the stuff, but that doesn't detract from the fact that they make
>>>a quality product.
>>
>> Quality in the sense of lacking all qualities of taste, aroma,
>> mouthfeel, etc. A foolish consistency, and only getting worse if
>> BMC has their way.
>When one drinks beer in order to get drunk, the qualities that
>you mention are unimportant to the drinker.
>Bud/Miller will get a person as drunk as they want to be, after
>the second or third beer alcohol is the desired quality of beer
>not taste, "mouthfeel", aroma, etc.???
I usually stay conscious way beyond 2 or 3.
>I would bet that almost no one drinks Bud/Miller seeking the
>qualities that you describe and that Bud/Miller are giving the
>drinking public exactly what they want.
Eliminating taste, aroma, and mouthfeel, you've made the best
argument for BMC so far. But even as alcohol delivery vehicles,
they fall short.
Two words: Lite beer. Is it really about drunkeness? No.
I think for BMC drinkers, it's more about dieting, and being
concerned with ones waistline above all else.
>If taste, "mouthfeel", aroma, etc., were all important, we'd all
>be brewing non-alcoholic beer, wouldn't we? ;-)
If they weren't important, we'd all be drinking cheap vodka or
ripple. I get as drunk as I want on homebrew -- and way more
efficiently than on BMC products. It's good to the last drop.
>To each his own, If a person likes to drink Bud/Miller, good for
>them!
Sure, if they have no tastebuds, are on a diet, are completely
whipped by corporate marketing, and/or just like peeing alot.
Scott S
--
Scott Sellers
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 09:44:34
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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>> When one drinks beer in order to get drunk, the qualities that
>> you mention are unimportant to the drinker.
>>
>> Bud/Miller will get a person as drunk as they want to be, after
>> the second or third beer alcohol is the desired quality of beer
>> not taste, "mouthfeel", aroma, etc.???
I feel sorry for someone who gets a buzz after 2 or 3 bottles
of American Swill.
>> I would bet that almost no one drinks Bud/Miller seeking the
>> qualities that you describe and that Bud/Miller are giving the
>> drinking public exactly what they want.
> Eliminating taste, aroma, and mouthfeel, you've made the best
> argument for BMC so far. But even as alcohol delivery vehicles,
> they fall short.
Give the man an 'A' for Analysis.
> Two words: Lite beer. Is it really about drunkeness? No.
>
> I think for BMC drinkers, it's more about dieting, and being
> concerned with ones waistline above all else.
Here I disagree. By my observation over too many years, fat
people drink diet soda and fit people drink regular soda. No
reason beer should be different.
>> If taste, "mouthfeel", aroma, etc., were all important, we'd all
>> be brewing non-alcoholic beer, wouldn't we? ;-)
NO! We'd all be living in tents so we could afford to drink
two bottles of Chimay Grande Reserve daily.
> If they weren't important, we'd all be drinking cheap vodka or
> ripple. I get as drunk as I want on homebrew -- and way more
> efficiently than on BMC products. It's good to the last drop.
Alas someone else who recalls Ripple!
>> To each his own, If a person likes to drink Bud/Miller, good
>> for them!
That's like saying "If someone wants to live in squalor, good
for them."
> Sure, if they have no tastebuds, are on a diet, are completely
> whipped by corporate marketing, and/or just like peeing alot.
Your analyses are so close to mine that you must be brilliant! :)
Dick
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 16:31:29
From: Derric
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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> ... Just this evening, I saw a commercial that was critical
> of Bud Lite. The protaganist? Miller Lite, inviting drinkers to
> step up to flavor.
It's funny... I understand that the survey they used showed that people
thought Miller Lite had more flavor... HOWEVER, it also said that they
preferred Bud Light.
In other words... generally speaking, people DON'T WANT FLAVOR in their
beer.
There was a beer story a while back on NPR and they actually did a taste
test on the air. The tester basically said those exact same things:
slightly more taste in Miller Lite but they preferred Bud Light.
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 18:13:45
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:31:29 -0000, <derric1961@removethis.yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>> ... Just this evening, I saw a commercial that was critical
>> of Bud Lite. The protaganist? Miller Lite, inviting drinkers to
>> step up to flavor.
>
> It's funny... I understand that the survey they used showed that people
> thought Miller Lite had more flavor... HOWEVER, it also said that they
> preferred Bud Light.
>
> In other words... generally speaking, people DON'T WANT FLAVOR in their
> beer.
The other thing you can take from that is that "more flavor" doesn't
specify whether it's a good or bad flavor. Fecal matter probably has a
lot of flavor (just guessing), but I doubt it's something I'd like. So I
could easily see myself answering a survey saying that "Fecal matter has more
flavor than Bud Light, but I prefer Bud Light". On second thought though...
the preference part would probably be too close to call.
John.
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 00:18:37
From: Scott Sellers
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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Derric <derric1961@removethis.yahoo.com >:
>> ... Just this evening, I saw a commercial that was critical
>> of Bud Lite. The protaganist? Miller Lite, inviting drinkers to
>> step up to flavor.
>It's funny... I understand that the survey they used showed that
>people thought Miller Lite had more flavor... HOWEVER, it also
>said that they preferred Bud Light.
>In other words... generally speaking, people DON'T WANT FLAVOR
>in their beer.
>There was a beer story a while back on NPR and they actually did
>a taste test on the air. The tester basically said those exact
>same things: slightly more taste in Miller Lite but they
>preferred Bud Light.
It seems like what BMC drinkers are really after is mineral water
with a buzz. Here's a theory I've been kicking around:
It's based on a general observation, that many people go through
their lives in a chronic state of dehydration.
Maybe BMC drinkers are just really, really thirsty? They don't
want something like flavor getting in the way. They're
desperate.
OTOH, I think beer snobs tend to see their beverage more like a
food item. From this perspective, flavor, aroma, etc are good
things.
Maybe the best treatment for intransigent BMC drinkers would be
to have them drink a large bottled water, then have them hydrate
on that for 10-15 minutes.
Once their basic physiological needs have been met, only then
should they be introduced to the more tasty, challenging
homebrew.
Scott S
--
Scott Sellers
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 18:14:43
From: Wheat
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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"Scott Sellers" <scottsellers@mindspring.com > wrote in message
news:xrMHg.10353$Qf.5686@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Derric <derric1961@removethis.yahoo.com>:
>
>>> ... Just this evening, I saw a commercial that was critical
>>> of Bud Lite. The protaganist? Miller Lite, inviting drinkers to
>>> step up to flavor.
>
>>It's funny... I understand that the survey they used showed that
>>people thought Miller Lite had more flavor... HOWEVER, it also
>>said that they preferred Bud Light.
>
>>In other words... generally speaking, people DON'T WANT FLAVOR
>>in their beer.
>
>>There was a beer story a while back on NPR and they actually did
>>a taste test on the air. The tester basically said those exact
>>same things: slightly more taste in Miller Lite but they
>>preferred Bud Light.
>
> It seems like what BMC drinkers are really after is mineral water
> with a buzz. Here's a theory I've been kicking around:
>
> It's based on a general observation, that many people go through
> their lives in a chronic state of dehydration.
>
> Maybe BMC drinkers are just really, really thirsty? They don't
> want something like flavor getting in the way. They're
> desperate.
>
> OTOH, I think beer snobs tend to see their beverage more like a
> food item. From this perspective, flavor, aroma, etc are good
> things.
>
> Maybe the best treatment for intransigent BMC drinkers would be
> to have them drink a large bottled water, then have them hydrate
> on that for 10-15 minutes.
>
> Once their basic physiological needs have been met, only then
> should they be introduced to the more tasty, challenging
> homebrew.
>
> Scott S
>
> --
> Scott Sellers
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 17:15:18
From: Scott Sellers
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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Wheat <kotosho@netscape.net >:
>"Scott Sellers" <scottsellers@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:xrMHg.10353$Qf.5686@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> Derric <derric1961@removethis.yahoo.com>:
>>
>>>> ... Just this evening, I saw a commercial that was critical
>>>> of Bud Lite. The protaganist? Miller Lite, inviting drinkers to
>>>> step up to flavor.
>>
>>>It's funny... I understand that the survey they used showed that
>>>people thought Miller Lite had more flavor... HOWEVER, it also
>>>said that they preferred Bud Light.
>>
>>>In other words... generally speaking, people DON'T WANT FLAVOR
>>>in their beer.
>>
>>>There was a beer story a while back on NPR and they actually did
>>>a taste test on the air. The tester basically said those exact
>>>same things: slightly more taste in Miller Lite but they
>>>preferred Bud Light.
>>
>> It seems like what BMC drinkers are really after is mineral water
>> with a buzz. Here's a theory I've been kicking around:
>>
>> It's based on a general observation, that many people go through
>> their lives in a chronic state of dehydration.
>>
>> Maybe BMC drinkers are just really, really thirsty? They don't
>> want something like flavor getting in the way. They're
>> desperate.
>>
>> OTOH, I think beer snobs tend to see their beverage more like a
>> food item. From this perspective, flavor, aroma, etc are good
>> things.
>>
>> Maybe the best treatment for intransigent BMC drinkers would be
>> to have them drink a large bottled water, then have them hydrate
>> on that for 10-15 minutes.
>>
>> Once their basic physiological needs have been met, only then
>> should they be introduced to the more tasty, challenging
>> homebrew.
>>
>> Scott S
>>
>> --
>> Scott Sellers
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 09:47:05
From: Mark R
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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"Scott Sellers" <scottsellers@mindspring.com > wrote in message
>
> I was gonna ask where's the hops. Then I thought. ;)
You walk past the brew pot with hops in your pocket at 60 mins, 15 mins, and
flame out. And for those who like dry hoping all you have to do is think
about hops while transferring to secondary.
Mark R
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 00:26:45
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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> It seems like what BMC drinkers are really after is mineral water
> with a buzz. Here's a theory I've been kicking around:
>
> It's based on a general observation, that many people go through
> their lives in a chronic state of dehydration.
>
> Maybe BMC drinkers are just really, really thirsty? They don't
> want something like flavor getting in the way. They're
> desperate.
>
> OTOH, I think beer snobs tend to see their beverage more like a
> food item. From this perspective, flavor, aroma, etc are good
> things. ....
X-cuuuuuuussse me! The proper term is condescending brew guys
Dick - I is one and yes, a pint of Arrogant Bastard is lunch.
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 17:15:18
From: Scott Sellers
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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Dick Adams <rdadams@smart.net >:
>> It seems like what BMC drinkers are really after is mineral water
>> with a buzz. Here's a theory I've been kicking around:
>>
>> It's based on a general observation, that many people go through
>> their lives in a chronic state of dehydration.
>>
>> Maybe BMC drinkers are just really, really thirsty? They don't
>> want something like flavor getting in the way. They're
>> desperate.
>>
>> OTOH, I think beer snobs tend to see their beverage more like a
>> food item. From this perspective, flavor, aroma, etc are good
>> things. ....
>X-cuuuuuuussse me! The proper term is condescending brew guys
Yeah -- that's the one I was looking for.
>Dick - I is one and yes, a pint of Arrogant Bastard is lunch.
So nourishing, and so tasty too!
Scott S
--
Scott Sellers
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Date: 22 Aug 2006 11:48:14
From: mlanoue@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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No, I understood that. "Hate" was just the first easy to type word
that came to mind.
I get so discouraged when I go to brewpubs and see everybody else
drinking from bottles that I got a little over-zealous in my word usage
today.
Dick Adams wrote:
> mlanoue@yahoo.com <mlanoue@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > God, it's so nice to be able to come to a "place" where
> > everybody hates Bud.
>
> To be fair and more specific, nobody hates Bud, Millers,
> Coors, etc. It's just the consensus of opinion is that light
> lagers (which I refer to as American Swill) are the low end
> of the beer quality spectrum.
>
> But the consensus is also that the Big Three have a consistency
> in that the Bud at al you drink in Maine tastes the same as the
> one you had in California.
>
> Dick - A Condescending Brew Guy
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Date: 22 Aug 2006 09:23:20
From:
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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mlanoue@yahoo.com wrote:
> God, it's so nice to be able to come to a "place" where everybody hates
> Bud.
I don't hate Bud, I just don't like to drink it. It is an excellent
example of an american light lager with ungodly good quality control,
it's just that american light lagers are not my kind of beer.
Bryan
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Date: 22 Aug 2006 21:12:53
From: Scott Sellers
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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yournotauser@gmail.com <yournotauser@gmail.com >:
>mlanoue@yahoo.com wrote:
>> God, it's so nice to be able to come to a "place" where everybody hates
>> Bud.
>I don't hate Bud, I just don't like to drink it. It is an
>excellent example of an american light lager with ungodly good
>quality control, it's just that american light lagers are not my
>kind of beer.
Is there a category for Bud Lite? American lite light lager?
Thank heaven for that quality control. So often, I go out to get
a beer, and find something I haven't already had exactly the same
of a thousand times before. This makes me uneasy, and raises all
kinds of purity/identity issues.
Thank god for Bud.
I'm working on quality control myself. I have a keg of distilled
water, carbonated to 3 volumes, with a cup of piss thrown in. It
is remarkably consistent.
Scott S
--
Scott Sellers
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Date: 22 Aug 2006 23:51:27
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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Scott Sellers <scottsellers@mindspring.com > wrote:
> yournotauser@gmail.com <yournotauser@gmail.com>:
>> mlanoue@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> God, it's so nice to be able to come to a "place" where everybody hates
>>> Bud.
>> I don't hate Bud, I just don't like to drink it. It is an
>> excellent example of an american light lager with ungodly good
>> quality control, it's just that american light lagers are not my
>> kind of beer.
> Is there a category for Bud Lite? American lite light lager?
>
> Thank heaven for that quality control. So often, I go out to get
> a beer, and find something I haven't already had exactly the same
> of a thousand times before. This makes me uneasy, and raises all
> kinds of purity/identity issues.
>
> Thank god for Bud.
>
> I'm working on quality control myself. I have a keg of distilled
> water, carbonated to 3 volumes, with a cup of piss thrown in. It
> is remarkably consistent.
If this is a clone, you need more piss.
Dick
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 07:10:09
From: Larry Bristol
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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Scott Sellers wrote:
> I'm working on quality control myself. I have a keg of distilled
> water, carbonated to 3 volumes, with a cup of piss thrown in. It
> is remarkably consistent.
I have been trying to make the perfect clone of it for years. My latest
recipe is almost perfect!
http://www.doubleluck.com/things/brewery/recipes/Budmilloors.php
--
Larry Bristol --- The Double Luck
http://www.doubleluck.com
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 08:34:26
From: mlanoue@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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I did my first all-grain in June and made a Cream Ale. I'm normally a
British Isles type of ale guy, but for some reason, I just wanted to
make the most typical American Beer-type beer I could possibly do,
while still enjoying it myself.
My friend, who has historically flinched at the presence of my beer
bottles tried it and said he would actually "buy something like this."
So, that was good to hear.
After finishing that glass, he went back to his Heineken.
Dick Adams wrote:
> mlanoue@yahoo.com <mlanoue@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I think when it comes to the masses sitting in bars or in their
> > back yard socializing, BMC is as important to them as the ambient
> > music they put on. It's just something they do without thinking
> > much about it, and they focus on having a great time with their
> > friends.
>
> What a great argument for ignorance is bliss. Why not be a nice guy
> and show up with a few corney kegs of American Ale and upgrade thier
> tatses.
>
> Dick
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 06:40:36
From: mlanoue@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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I think when it comes to the masses sitting in bars or in their back
yard socializing, BMC is as important to them as the ambient music they
put on. It's just something they do without thinking much about it,
and they focus on having a great time with their friends.
The lucky ones think through their beers and song selections, and they
have an even better time.
Wheat wrote:
> "Scott Sellers" <scottsellers@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:88RGg.525$bM.281@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > yournotauser@gmail.com <yournotauser@gmail.com>:
> >
> >>Scott Sellers wrote:
> >
> >>> Is there a category for Bud Lite? American lite light lager?
> >>>
> >>> Thank heaven for that quality control. So often, I go out to get
> >>> a beer, and find something I haven't already had exactly the same
> >>> of a thousand times before. This makes me uneasy, and raises all
> >>> kinds of purity/identity issues.
> >
> >>The fact that they can make a beer in 5 or 6 breweries that
> >>tastes exactly the same this year and next year, especially with
> >>a style that is as unforgiving as an american light lager that
> >>will show every damn defect is amazing. I still don't like
> >>their beers, but for the styles they do make they make excellent
> >>examples. The fact that they sell several billion bottles of
> >>the stuff is a testament to that. Hell, if I could make a
> >>billion dollars a year making beer I don't like I would, and
> >>then brew a bit of the stuff I like on the side.
> >
> > BMC make weak, tasteless brew. The fact that they sell billions
> > of bottles a year speaks not to the excellence of said, but to
> > the weak, tasteless state of the mass beer drinking populace.
> >
> >>>
> >>> Thank god for Bud.
> >
> >>My uncle would agree with you whole heartedly. I can do without
> >>the stuff, but that doesn't detract from the fact that they make
> >>a quality product.
> >
> > Quality in the sense of lacking all qualities of taste, aroma,
> > mouthfeel, etc. A foolish consistency, and only getting worse if
> > BMC has their way.
>
> When one drinks beer in order to get drunk, the qualities that you mention
> are unimportant to the drinker.
>
> Bud/Miller will get a person as drunk as they want to be, after the second
> or third beer alcohol is the desired quality of beer not taste, "mouthfeel",
> aroma, etc.???
>
> I would bet that almost no one drinks Bud/Miller seeking the qualities that
> you describe and that Bud/Miller are giving the drinking public exactly what
> they want.
>
> If taste, "mouthfeel", aroma, etc., were all important, we'd all be brewing
> non-alcoholic beer, wouldn't we? ;-)
>
> To each his own, If a person likes to drink Bud/Miller, good for them!
>
> Bill
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 15:24:30
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Bud Aluminum Bottles, has anyone tried these yet for bottling?
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mlanoue@yahoo.com <mlanoue@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I think when it comes to the masses sitting in bars or in their
> back yard socializing, BMC is as important to them as the ambient
> music they put on. It's just something they do without thinking
> much about it, and they focus on having a great time with their
> friends.
What a great argument for ignorance is bliss. Why not be a nice guy
and show up with a few corney kegs of American Ale and upgrade thier
tatses.
Dick
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