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Date: 02 Sep 2006 12:54:41
From: Mike Wilson
Subject: Boiling water to sanitize plastic fermenters?
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Has anyone ever used boiling water to sanitize their 5 gallon buckets? I was thinking
about pouring in about a quart, then sloshing it around for a few minutes. This how I do
my corny kegs. Will the plastic hold up? Leach out anything bad?
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 05:24:49
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Boiling water to sanitize plastic fermenters?
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On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:54:41 -0600, <spam@spam.com > wrote:
> Has anyone ever used boiling water to sanitize their 5 gallon buckets? I was thinking
> about pouring in about a quart, then sloshing it around for a few minutes. This how I do
> my corny kegs. Will the plastic hold up? Leach out anything bad?
I don't think it would hurt the plastic, but I doubt it will really sanitize
either. IMO, you're much better off using something like iodophor.
John.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 14:26:07
From: Brian Foster
Subject: Re: Boiling water to sanitize plastic fermenters?
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"John 'Shaggy' Kolesar" <spam@shagg.net > wrote in message
news:slrnefkpub.s1o.spam@weizen.shagg.net...
> On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:54:41 -0600, <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>> Has anyone ever used boiling water to sanitize their 5 gallon buckets? I
>> was thinking
>> about pouring in about a quart, then sloshing it around for a few
>> minutes. This how I do
>> my corny kegs. Will the plastic hold up? Leach out anything bad?
>
> I don't think it would hurt the plastic, but I doubt it will really
> sanitize
> either. IMO, you're much better off using something like iodophor.
>
>
> John.
I gotta agree. Must think back to basic science class. The only thing that
is harmful to bacteria/germs about boiling water is the temp. As soon as you
loose the temp of the boiling water you loose any germ killing qualities as
well. Iodopher is really pretty cheap and a couple of capfuls in a 5 gal
bucket, bottle, keg and you're good to go. Why risk it?
I make golf clubs and there are always guys asking me if they can
make/repair golf clubs using the cheap epoxy glue they get from a hardware
store? The answer is yes, you can, but the correct epoxy you can get very
easily from a golf component store (like Golfsmith) is still so cheap and
it's rated for the higher stresses that you put on a club. Why try to save a
few pennies on glue if you've just bought a nice new shaft or titanium golf
head?
Same with the beer. You spend time brewing, racking, whatever..... Why risk
it?
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 16:18:17
From: David Edge
Subject: Re: Boiling water to sanitize plastic fermenters?
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:26:07 GMT, "Brian Foster"
<brianfoster@houston.rr.com > wrote:
>I gotta agree. Must think back to basic science class. The only thing that
>is harmful to bacteria/germs about boiling water is the temp. As soon as you
>loose the temp of the boiling water you loose any germ killing qualities as
>well. Iodopher is really pretty cheap and a couple of capfuls in a 5 gal
>bucket, bottle, keg and you're good to go. Why risk it?
Boiling water has the merit that it will kill bugs deep in cracks
where chemical sanitizers don't go. But you would need to use enough
to get to pasteurising temps. Fix and Fix (AOBT p118) suggest that
99.999% of yeast cells will be killed in five minutes at 60C/140F.
However the same reduction in thermophilic bacteria will take 100
minutes at 60C/140F and 10 minutes at 100C/212F.
David Edge, Derby, UK
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 23:08:58
From: Brian Foster
Subject: Re: Boiling water to sanitize plastic fermenters?
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David, sorry I live in TX and that means you have to either talk slower or
be more direct. The original poster was talking about sanitizing a 5 gal
bucket with 1 qt of boiling water. I just don't think there is enough
temperature in that qt of H2O to kill everything that is potentially living
in a big 5 gal bucket. Whereever you hit in the bucket with the boiling qt
yes, it may kill enough, but there is a lot of surface are in a 5 gal
fermentor/bucket and that water cools pretty quickly.
Personally, I'll keep using Iodofer. I think the stuff is great and it's
cheap too.
I'd use bleach because it's even cheaper, but then you have to rinse, and
there you go all over again with possible germs/bugs.
"David Edge" <david.j.edge@ntlworld.com > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:26:07 GMT, "Brian Foster"
> <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>>I gotta agree. Must think back to basic science class. The only thing that
>>is harmful to bacteria/germs about boiling water is the temp. As soon as
>>you
>>loose the temp of the boiling water you loose any germ killing qualities
>>as
>>well. Iodopher is really pretty cheap and a couple of capfuls in a 5 gal
>>bucket, bottle, keg and you're good to go. Why risk it?
>
> Boiling water has the merit that it will kill bugs deep in cracks
> where chemical sanitizers don't go. But you would need to use enough
> to get to pasteurising temps. Fix and Fix (AOBT p118) suggest that
> 99.999% of yeast cells will be killed in five minutes at 60C/140F.
> However the same reduction in thermophilic bacteria will take 100
> minutes at 60C/140F and 10 minutes at 100C/212F.
>
> David Edge, Derby, UK
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 09:44:31
From: IanMac
Subject: Re: Boiling water to sanitize plastic fermenters?
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Yep, do it all the time.
I boil 1 liter dump it in and fit the lid, swish it all around and drain
some out the tap. Pour the rest out and good to go.
I have not had a off brew yet doing it this way for over 7 years.
Cheers Ian
Mike Wilson wrote:
> Has anyone ever used boiling water to sanitize their 5 gallon buckets? I was thinking
> about pouring in about a quart, then sloshing it around for a few minutes. This how I do
> my corny kegs. Will the plastic hold up? Leach out anything bad?
>
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 15:09:26
From: 2fatbbq
Subject: Re: Boiling water to sanitize plastic fermenters?
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"Mike Wilson" <spam@spam.com > wrote in message
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> Has anyone ever used boiling water to sanitize their 5 gallon buckets? I
> was thinking
> about pouring in about a quart, then sloshing it around for a few minutes.
> This how I do
> my corny kegs. Will the plastic hold up? Leach out anything bad?
>
Don't think a quart in a 5gal pail would carry over enuf heat to do a good
job--imo anyway
Buzz
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cater to the classes, live with the masses. cater to the masses, live with
the classes
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 07:24:54
From: John Krehbiel
Subject: Re: Boiling water to sanitize plastic fermenters?
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Brian Foster wrote:
> Whereever you hit in the bucket with the boiling qt
> yes, it may kill enough, but there is a lot of surface are in a 5 gal
> fermentor/bucket and that water cools pretty quickly.
> Personally, I'll keep using Iodofer. I think the stuff is great and it's
> cheap too.
>
> I'd use bleach because it's even cheaper, but then you have to rinse, and
> there you go all over again with possible germs/bugs.
>
>
I agree, the main problem is that the water will cool way too quickly.
You probably wouldn't even kill very many nasties, just stun them a
bit.
I use bleach on my plastic, and just rinse with hot tap water. As far
as I know, that's never caused any problems for me.
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 11:06:32
From: Mike Wilson
Subject: Re: Boiling water to sanitize plastic fermenters?
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On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:54:41 -0600, Mike Wilson <spam@spam.com > wrote:
>Has anyone ever used boiling water to sanitize their 5 gallon buckets? I was thinking
>about pouring in about a quart, then sloshing it around for a few minutes. This how I do
>my corny kegs. Will the plastic hold up? Leach out anything bad?
Thanks you all for the advice. I'm going to stick with the Iodophor!
The motivation for all of this was a chemical-free way to sanitize my buckets. I've used
boiling water in my cornies for years with no problems whatsover. I just dump the water
in, seal it, slosh it around a bit and let it sit. I figure the hot steam will cook any
nasties that are left.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 20:41:34
From: Bob
Subject: Re: Boiling water to sanitize plastic fermenters?
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"Mike Wilson" <spam@spam.com > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:54:41 -0600, Mike Wilson <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>
> >Has anyone ever used boiling water to sanitize their 5 gallon buckets? I was
thinking
> >about pouring in about a quart, then sloshing it around for a few minutes.
This how I do
> >my corny kegs. Will the plastic hold up? Leach out anything bad?
>
> Thanks you all for the advice. I'm going to stick with the Iodophor!
>
> The motivation for all of this was a chemical-free way to sanitize my buckets.
I've used
> boiling water in my cornies for years with no problems whatsover. I just dump
the water
> in, seal it, slosh it around a bit and let it sit. I figure the hot steam
will cook any
> nasties that are left.
What is the temp of the water after 2 minutes of shaking? By the time you
distribute
the heat through the whole corny, I bet it's not very hot.
Bob
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 09:35:54
From: Mark R
Subject: Re: Boiling water to sanitize plastic fermenters?
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"Bob" <bobnospam@gmail.com > wrote in message
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> What is the temp of the water after 2 minutes of shaking? By the time you
> distribute
> the heat through the whole corny, I bet it's not very hot.
Unless it's a large volume of water it probably doesn't warm the keg up to
much more than 110 - 120 when all is said and done. Almost perfect temps for
culturing also sorts of nasties.
Mark R
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 19:40:06
From: Scott Sellers
Subject: Re: Boiling water to sanitize plastic fermenters?
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Mark R <marknorayspam@noev1spam.net >:
>"Bob" <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> What is the temp of the water after 2 minutes of shaking? By
>> the time you distribute the heat through the whole corny, I
>> bet it's not very hot.
>Unless it's a large volume of water it probably doesn't warm the
>keg up to much more than 110 - 120 when all is said and done.
>Almost perfect temps for culturing also sorts of nasties.
I think a hot water rinse would probably do more good than harm,
by flushing away dust. It wouldn't sanitize, but it would clean
some. The bucket should be clean anyway, and the boiled water
shouldn't be introducing any microbes, or nutrients.
IMO, if the bucket is cleaned thoroughly after the last use,
allowed to air dry, and stored in a reasonably dry, sanitary
environment, I don't worry too much about sanitizing it before
the next go. Works so far.
If I was using a beat up bucket, or had a previous infection, or
was storing it in questionable environment, my practice would
probably change.
Scott S
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Scott Sellers
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 07:54:40
From: John Krehbiel
Subject: Re: Boiling water to sanitize plastic fermenters?
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Scott Sellers wrote:
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> IMO, if the bucket is cleaned thoroughly after the last use,
> allowed to air dry, and stored in a reasonably dry, sanitary
> environment, I don't worry too much about sanitizing it before
> the next go. Works so far.
>
I think a lot of this just points out what we can get away with most of
the time. People certainly made beer before anybody knew about
sanitation at all. Sometimes it was good, and sometimes it wasn't.
Sanitation helps us get consistently good results, but
less-than-perfect is usually good enough.
John
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 15:03:14
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Boiling water to sanitize plastic fermenters?
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On 7 Sep 2006 07:54:40 -0700, <j_krehbiel@hotmail.com > wrote:
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> Scott Sellers wrote:
>>
>> IMO, if the bucket is cleaned thoroughly after the last use,
>> allowed to air dry, and stored in a reasonably dry, sanitary
>> environment, I don't worry too much about sanitizing it before
>> the next go. Works so far.
>>
>
> I think a lot of this just points out what we can get away with most of
> the time. People certainly made beer before anybody knew about
> sanitation at all. Sometimes it was good, and sometimes it wasn't.
>
> Sanitation helps us get consistently good results, but
> less-than-perfect is usually good enough.
That's the way I look at it as well. Sanitation isn't required, it's
possible that you can make a good beer without it. However, what it will
do is make your results a lot more consistent and remove much of the risk.
John.
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