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Date: 25 Sep 2006 13:56:41
From: phaeton
Subject: Beer Buzz Question
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I realize this is a craft brewing/homebrewing sort of ng, but y'all are
most likely the sorts that would know beer to this depth. (A
home-brewing kit is on my gift list, fwiw)
Here's the deal- I drink beer both because I like the taste and
experience, and I like the buzz. I'm sure that's not unusual ;) I
know that there is a bit of chemistry involved in this effect- it's not
just alcohol that does it.
My preference tends to be IPAs, Stouts and Porters. I enjoy the tastes
of these beers the most, but I notice that the 'heavier' the beer tends
to be, the more I feel the 'depressive' effects of alcohol- tiredness,
mild queasiness, clumsiness (when I exceed my self-imposed limit of 4).
I think the worst offender on this list would be Sam Adams Cream
Stout. It is wonderful tasting stuff, but I actually start to feel the
negative effects of being 'drunk' before I even start getting a buzz.
Odd, huh?
However, if I go to the 'lighter', cheaper beers (not to be confused
with 'light' beer), I notice a nice, quick, happy buzz, often well
before I get to my self-imposed limit of 4. The beer in question
(stuff like Leinenkugel Ale or Dark, Miller Genuine Draft, Berghoff
Ale/Berghoff Dark, maybe Sam Adams Boston Ale, etc) isn't necessarily
the *best* tasting stuff on the market (though I like Berghoff and
Sammies) but it seems to get the best buzz.
Mind you, I'm more apt to pay the price in the next day when I drink
something like MGD. It's not horrible, but this is something I never
experience with the craft beers (must be the full barley/ no corn/rice
adjunct stuff).
So has anyone else experienced this? Does cheap beer have the better
buzz, but better beer has the better flavor? Or am I simply imagining
this?
prost!
-phaeton
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 19:31:04
From: phaeton
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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Lefty Skywalker wrote:
>
> (-o-)
>
Cambot, is that you?
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 19:48:14
From: Lefty Skywalker
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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phaeton wrote:
> Lefty Skywalker wrote:
>
>> (-o-)
>
> Cambot, is that you?
Sorry, wrong ng. More detailed arrangement:
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 00:13:28
From: Steve/Aus
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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"phaeton" <blahbleh666@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1159217801.269477.63490@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I realize this is a craft brewing/homebrewing sort of ng, but y'all are
> most likely the sorts that would know beer to this depth. (A
> home-brewing kit is on my gift list, fwiw)
>
> Here's the deal- I drink beer both because I like the taste and
> experience, and I like the buzz. I'm sure that's not unusual ;) I
> know that there is a bit of chemistry involved in this effect- it's not
> just alcohol that does it. (snip)
Hops supposedly have a narcotic effect - induce sleepiness, soporific or
whatever you want to call it, but what the dosage is, to have a measurable
effect - I don't know. Probably not enough in beer, and in any case I would
think the alcohol would overide any hop narcotic effect.
Steve W (in Aus)
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 14:55:06
From: phaeton
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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>
> Nothing kinky with Tom but watch out for "The Artist" when he talks about
> getting you naked! <VBG> He also like to play with robots! ;)
I like robots.
-phaeton
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 19:30:24
From: Lefty Skywalker
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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phaeton wrote:
>> Nothing kinky with Tom but watch out for "The Artist" when he talks about
>> getting you naked! <VBG> He also like to play with robots! ;)
>
> I like robots.
You dig giant robots,
I dig giant robots,
We dig giant robots,
Chicks dig giant robots!
--
Daniel O. Miller
"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the
fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true
science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer marvel, is as good
as dead, and his eyes are dimmed." - Albert Einstein
WWYD? (-o-) <* > Genesis 49:17
Real email address: darth dot lefty at golf mike able india lima.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 14:48:15
From: phaeton
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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>
> People who's body chemistry is developing sometimes have reactions to things
> that "older folks" don't.
>
> Males even into their 20's sometimes are still growing.
>
> Nothing kinky, just thinking.
> Tom
That's kinda what I figured. Didn't suspect anything kinky, but I was
half-expecting some crack about drinking the beers I named :oP
Strange as it might sound, I didn't drink a whole lot of beer in my
20s, so I don't have the experience of that timeframe to compare.
As mentioned previously, the speed of drinking might be a factor, but
in my recent observations I think it's pretty even. I would htink that
you would eventually arrive at the same place anyways, whether you
pounded 4 Leinies in 90 minutes vs. sipping 4 Sam Adams Oktoberfests
over 2.5 hours.
Could be wrong tho.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 14:25:53
From: phaeton
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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> Just curious,
> How old are you?
>
> Tom
32.
Now I get to be curious why you ask. ;)
-phaeton
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 17:41:00
From: Tom Biasi
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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"phaeton" <blahbleh666@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1159219553.501257.146090@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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>> Just curious,
>> How old are you?
>>
>> Tom
>
> 32.
>
> Now I get to be curious why you ask. ;)
>
> -phaeton
>
People who's body chemistry is developing sometimes have reactions to things
that "older folks" don't.
Males even into their 20's sometimes are still growing.
Nothing kinky, just thinking.
Tom
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 14:52:14
From: Wheat
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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"Tom Biasi" <tombiasi@********optonline.net > wrote in message
news:L1YRg.29$hN1.8@newsfe10.lga...
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> "phaeton" <blahbleh666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1159219553.501257.146090@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> Just curious,
>>> How old are you?
>>>
>>> Tom
>>
>> 32.
>>
>> Now I get to be curious why you ask. ;)
>>
>> -phaeton
>>
>
> People who's body chemistry is developing sometimes have reactions to
> things that "older folks" don't.
>
> Males even into their 20's sometimes are still growing.
>
> Nothing kinky, just thinking.
> Tom
Nothing kinky with Tom but watch out for "The Artist" when he talks about
getting you naked! <VBG > He also like to play with robots! ;)
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 17:16:35
From: Tom Biasi
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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"phaeton" <blahbleh666@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1159217801.269477.63490@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I realize this is a craft brewing/homebrewing sort of ng, but y'all are
> most likely the sorts that would know beer to this depth. (A
> home-brewing kit is on my gift list, fwiw)
>
> Here's the deal- I drink beer both because I like the taste and
> experience, and I like the buzz. I'm sure that's not unusual ;) I
> know that there is a bit of chemistry involved in this effect- it's not
> just alcohol that does it.
>
> My preference tends to be IPAs, Stouts and Porters. I enjoy the tastes
> of these beers the most, but I notice that the 'heavier' the beer tends
> to be, the more I feel the 'depressive' effects of alcohol- tiredness,
> mild queasiness, clumsiness (when I exceed my self-imposed limit of 4).
> I think the worst offender on this list would be Sam Adams Cream
> Stout. It is wonderful tasting stuff, but I actually start to feel the
> negative effects of being 'drunk' before I even start getting a buzz.
> Odd, huh?
>
> However, if I go to the 'lighter', cheaper beers (not to be confused
> with 'light' beer), I notice a nice, quick, happy buzz, often well
> before I get to my self-imposed limit of 4. The beer in question
> (stuff like Leinenkugel Ale or Dark, Miller Genuine Draft, Berghoff
> Ale/Berghoff Dark, maybe Sam Adams Boston Ale, etc) isn't necessarily
> the *best* tasting stuff on the market (though I like Berghoff and
> Sammies) but it seems to get the best buzz.
>
> Mind you, I'm more apt to pay the price in the next day when I drink
> something like MGD. It's not horrible, but this is something I never
> experience with the craft beers (must be the full barley/ no corn/rice
> adjunct stuff).
>
>
> So has anyone else experienced this? Does cheap beer have the better
> buzz, but better beer has the better flavor? Or am I simply imagining
> this?
>
> prost!
>
> -phaeton
>
Just curious,
How old are you?
Tom
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 16:09:35
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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phaeton wrote:
>
>
> So has anyone else experienced this? Does cheap beer have the better
> buzz, but better beer has the better flavor? Or am I simply imagining
> this?
>
> prost!
You're imagining it -- unless you're referring to my Rohypnol
Roggenbier, in which case you should expect to be be waking up naked
shortly...
--
(Replies: cleanse my address of the Mark of the Beast!)
Teleoperate a roving mobile robot from the web:
http://www.swampgas.com/robotics/rover.html
Coauthor with Dennis Clark of "Building Robot Drive Trains".
Buy several copies today!
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 21:29:22
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:09:35 -0500, <mikey666@666swampgas.666com > wrote:
> phaeton wrote:
>>
>>
>> So has anyone else experienced this? Does cheap beer have the better
>> buzz, but better beer has the better flavor? Or am I simply imagining
>> this?
>>
>> prost!
>
> You're imagining it -- unless you're referring to my Rohypnol
> Roggenbier, in which case you should expect to be be waking up naked
> shortly...
The only thing I can think of is that they're seeing things related to
ABV levels as well as by-products like fusels, etc. Other than that, maybe
they drink the cheap stuff faster since they're relatively tasteless and
tend to nurse the better stuff more slowly. IOW, someone may drink 4 of
each but if the cheap stuff is chugged while the good stuff is slowly
sipped, you'd probably be effected differently.
John.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 09:15:34
From: Denny Conn
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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phaeton wrote:
> So has anyone else experienced this? Does cheap beer have the better
> buzz, but better beer has the better flavor? Or am I simply imagining
> this?
I don't know if you're imagining it, but I've never personally
experienced what you're talking about.
---------- >Denny
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 16:49:38
From: Scott Barron
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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On 2006-09-26, Denny Conn <denny@projectoneaudio.com > wrote:
> phaeton wrote:
>
>
>> So has anyone else experienced this? Does cheap beer have the better
>> buzz, but better beer has the better flavor? Or am I simply imagining
>> this?
>
> I don't know if you're imagining it, but I've never personally
> experienced what you're talking about.
>
> ---------->Denny
>
It could be psychological. Your brain recognizes what you're drinking and,
for the good of your body, doesn't want you to consume any more swill. So,
it makes you think you're drunk, causes you to vomit then pass out in the
street. Maybe then you'll learn a little more restraint when perusing the
beer shelves, hmm? :)
-Scott
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 08:57:41
From: phaeton
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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Lefty Skywalker wrote:
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> Sorry, wrong ng. More detailed arrangement:
>
>
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 10:03:38
From: Mark R
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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"phaeton" <blahbleh666@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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>
> Back on topic, i guess that I need to go home this weekend and
> literally slam some 'heavy' beer and see if that's the ticket.
>
> Any suggestions?
Maybe I'm the unusual one then. I haven't "slammed" a brew in over 20 years
and the main reason I brew is the taste. If I feel a buzz coming on I quit.
Very rarely do I drink more than one or two at a sitting and the times that
I do it's over a 6 - 8 hour period. <shrug >
Mark R
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 13:27:36
From: Gerard Eberlein
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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"phaeton" <blahbleh666@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1159217801.269477.63490@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I realize this is a craft brewing/homebrewing sort of ng, but y'all are
> most likely the sorts that would know beer to this depth. (A
> home-brewing kit is on my gift list, fwiw)
>
> Here's the deal- I drink beer both because I like the taste and
> experience, and I like the buzz. I'm sure that's not unusual ;) I
> know that there is a bit of chemistry involved in this effect- it's not
> just alcohol that does it.
>
> My preference tends to be IPAs, Stouts and Porters. I enjoy the tastes
> of these beers the most, but I notice that the 'heavier' the beer tends
> to be, the more I feel the 'depressive' effects of alcohol- tiredness,
> mild queasiness, clumsiness (when I exceed my self-imposed limit of 4).
> I think the worst offender on this list would be Sam Adams Cream
> Stout. It is wonderful tasting stuff, but I actually start to feel the
> negative effects of being 'drunk' before I even start getting a buzz.
> Odd, huh?
>
> However, if I go to the 'lighter', cheaper beers (not to be confused
> with 'light' beer), I notice a nice, quick, happy buzz, often well
> before I get to my self-imposed limit of 4. The beer in question
> (stuff like Leinenkugel Ale or Dark, Miller Genuine Draft, Berghoff
> Ale/Berghoff Dark, maybe Sam Adams Boston Ale, etc) isn't necessarily
> the *best* tasting stuff on the market (though I like Berghoff and
> Sammies) but it seems to get the best buzz.
>
> Mind you, I'm more apt to pay the price in the next day when I drink
> something like MGD. It's not horrible, but this is something I never
> experience with the craft beers (must be the full barley/ no corn/rice
> adjunct stuff).
>
>
> So has anyone else experienced this? Does cheap beer have the better
> buzz, but better beer has the better flavor? Or am I simply imagining
> this?
>
> prost!
>
> -phaeton
>
I dunno dude...I haven't drank any brew below 5.9% in years....if I get more
drunk faster it's strictly because most homebrews I make are over 6%.
Gerard
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 21:13:46
From: phaeton
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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Gerard Eberlein wrote:
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> I dunno dude...I haven't drank any brew below 5.9% in years....if I get more
> drunk faster it's strictly because most homebrews I make are over 6%.
>
> Gerard
I think the "Autumnal Fire" from Capital Brewery that I recently had
this issue with is just a touch over 9%. (give or take)
-phaeton
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 14:44:49
From: Bart Goddard
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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blahbleh666@hotmail.com wrote:
Some crappy beers (and things like Zima) get their
alcohol from cracking formaldehyde. Maybe you're
not so much "buzzed" and "embalmed".
Bart
--
The man without a .sig
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 14:19:52
From: Scott L
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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phaeton wrote:
> My preference tends to be IPAs, Stouts and Porters. I enjoy the tastes
> of these beers the most, but I notice that the 'heavier' the beer tends
> to be, the more I feel the 'depressive' effects of alcohol- tiredness,
> mild queasiness, clumsiness (when I exceed my self-imposed limit of 4).
> I think the worst offender on this list would be Sam Adams Cream
> Stout. It is wonderful tasting stuff, but I actually start to feel the
> negative effects of being 'drunk' before I even start getting a buzz.
> Odd, huh?
"Heavier" beers have more proteins and complex sugars in them compared
to lighter types. I think you're probably just reacting to those sugars
(metabolizing them is making you sleepy somehow).
I'm far from an expert but maybe it even indicates some kind of blood
sugar disorder.
Scott
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 10:07:29
From: Mark R
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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"Scott L" <scott-sp02@neuralnw.com > wrote in message
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> "Heavier" beers have more proteins and complex sugars in them compared
> to lighter types. I think you're probably just reacting to those sugars
> (metabolizing them is making you sleepy somehow).
>
> I'm far from an expert but maybe it even indicates some kind of blood
> sugar disorder.
I always thought that it was the combination of good brew and good food
followed by the 1 hr drive home late at night that caused the sleepiness. I
better run to my dor and have it checked out. ;-)
Mark R
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 14:10:17
From: phaeton
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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Bart Goddard wrote:
> blahbleh666@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Some crappy beers (and things like Zima) get their
> alcohol from cracking formaldehyde. Maybe you're
> not so much "buzzed" and "embalmed".
>
> Bart
>
> --
> The man without a .sig
I remember once someone telling me a story about dipping cigarettes in
embalming fluid and smoking them.
Hmm....
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 17:53:16
From: Gerard Eberlein
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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"phaeton" <blahbleh666@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1159477817.737940.225040@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> I remember once someone telling me a story about dipping cigarettes in
> embalming fluid and smoking them.
>
> Hmm....
yea, I've never tried it but I had heard in my youth that embalming fluid
was a cheap way to make PCP, dunno if it's true
>
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 17:48:49
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Beer Buzz Question
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phaeton wrote:
> Bart Goddard wrote:
>
>>blahbleh666@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>Some crappy beers (and things like Zima) get their
>>alcohol from cracking formaldehyde. Maybe you're
>>not so much "buzzed" and "embalmed".
>>
>
> I remember once someone telling me a story about dipping cigarettes in
> embalming fluid and smoking them.
There was an episode of Six Feet Under about dipping joints in embalming
fluid. Sounds pretty nasty.
--
Dan
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