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Date: 27 Jul 2006 07:34:27
From: miker
Subject: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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Emailed Zymico this question but have never heard back so thought I'd
ask here.
I was going to order a regular Bazooka screen for my converted sanke
boil kettle but when I was looing at them on the Zymico website I see
that they recommend the T for a sanke keg. What is the advantage of the
T or disadvantage of the regular for a sanke keg?
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 08:27:11
From: miker
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
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> Probably not much difference for a boil kettle. The T would be a better
> idea if you were using it as a mash tun.
That's kind of what I figured but wasn't sure ... guess I don't really
see the advantage for mashing either since they both stretch across 12
inches of the kettle.
I will only be using it to keep leaf hops out of the drain valve.
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 16:03:02
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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On 27 Jul 2006 08:27:11 -0700, <mlracette@aol.com > wrote:
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> John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
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>>
>> Probably not much difference for a boil kettle. The T would be a better
>> idea if you were using it as a mash tun.
>
>
> That's kind of what I figured but wasn't sure ... guess I don't really
> see the advantage for mashing either since they both stretch across 12
> inches of the kettle.
The T will draw from the center though, whereas the regular one draws from
the side. It makes a difference to the flow physics if you are fly
sparging. Nothing you need to worry about in a kettle.
John.
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 16:25:24
From: Joel
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar <spam@shagg.net > wrote:
>On 27 Jul 2006 08:27:11 -0700, <mlracette@aol.com> wrote:
>> John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
>>> Probably not much difference for a boil kettle. The T would be a better
>>> idea if you were using it as a mash tun.
>>
>> That's kind of what I figured but wasn't sure ... guess I don't really
>> see the advantage for mashing either since they both stretch across 12
>> inches of the kettle.
>
>The T will draw from the center though, whereas the regular one draws from
>the side. It makes a difference to the flow physics if you are fly
>sparging. Nothing you need to worry about in a kettle.
If one is fly sparging slowly, I don't see why there would be
a difference. In theory, all the wort at any one level in the
tun should have the same gravity, so drawing (again, very slowly)
from any spot in the tun shouldn't be significantly different.
I know that with my big setup (converted keg with EASYMASHER II)
my efficiency is better than with either of my other systems
(perforated false botton , and Zapap). Clears much faster during
the recirc, too.
--
Joel Plutchak "Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and
plutchak@[...] sometimes I think we're not. In either case the idea
is quite staggering." - Arthur C. Clarke
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 13:43:06
From: Thomas T. Veldhouse
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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Joel <plutchak@see.headers > wrote:
> If one is fly sparging slowly, I don't see why there would be
> a difference. In theory, all the wort at any one level in the
> tun should have the same gravity, so drawing (again, very slowly)
Yes, there is a difference. Channels are prone to form along the outside
edges of the mash along the sides of the mash tun. Drawning from the center
reduces that risk significantly.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 14:00:19
From: Joel
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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Thomas T. Veldhouse <veldy71@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Joel <plutchak@see.headers> wrote:
>> If one is fly sparging slowly, I don't see why there would be
>> a difference. In theory, all the wort at any one level in the
>> tun should have the same gravity, so drawing (again, very slowly)
>
>Yes, there is a difference. Channels are prone to form along the outside
>edges of the mash along the sides of the mash tun. Drawning from the center
>reduces that risk significantly.
So would that mean the standard mesh tube is better
than a T-shaped one?
--
Joel Plutchak "Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and
plutchak@[...] sometimes I think we're not. In either case the idea
is quite staggering." - Arthur C. Clarke
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 17:33:44
From: Thomas T. Veldhouse
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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Joel <plutchak@see.headers > wrote:
>>Yes, there is a difference. Channels are prone to form along the outside
>>edges of the mash along the sides of the mash tun. Drawning from the center
>>reduces that risk significantly.
>
> So would that mean the standard mesh tube is better
> than a T-shaped one?
No, for mash purposes, the T-Shape is better.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
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Date: 27 Jul 2006 15:00:32
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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On 27 Jul 2006 07:34:27 -0700, <mlracette@aol.com > wrote:
> Emailed Zymico this question but have never heard back so thought I'd
> ask here.
>
> I was going to order a regular Bazooka screen for my converted sanke
> boil kettle but when I was looing at them on the Zymico website I see
> that they recommend the T for a sanke keg. What is the advantage of the
> T or disadvantage of the regular for a sanke keg?
Probably not much difference for a boil kettle. The T would be a better
idea if you were using it as a mash tun.
John.
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 08:09:21
From: miker
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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Don't they both run down the center of the circle, just perpendicular
to one another? The regular Bazooka runs straight out from the bulkhead
fitting and stretches to the other end of the keg running across the
center, and the Bazooka T comes out from the bulkhead fitting via
copper tube and into a copper T then the screen (actually two 6"
screens) runs parallel to the bulkhead, across the center of the
bottom?
The explanation that the T with copper fittings will allow it to sit on
the bottom of the keg better makes sense to me so that's what I'm going
to order.
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 15:39:03
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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On 31 Jul 2006 08:09:21 -0700, <mlracette@aol.com > wrote:
> Don't they both run down the center of the circle, just perpendicular
> to one another? The regular Bazooka runs straight out from the bulkhead
> fitting and stretches to the other end of the keg running across the
> center, and the Bazooka T comes out from the bulkhead fitting via
> copper tube and into a copper T then the screen (actually two 6"
> screens) runs parallel to the bulkhead, across the center of the
> bottom?
Ignore the screen, think about where each draws from. The regular one
draws right from the bulkhead on the side of the keg. The T draws from
the copper tube that is in the center of the keg.
> The explanation that the T with copper fittings will allow it to sit on
> the bottom of the keg better makes sense to me so that's what I'm going
> to order.
Yeah, if you need it to sit on the concave bottom of the keg then you'll
want the T version. IMO, it shouldn't make much difference for a kettle
though. If the bazooka is above the concave bottom, most of what you
leave behind after it drains will be trub anyway.
John.
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 16:23:59
From: Joel
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar <spam@shagg.net > wrote:
>On 31 Jul 2006 08:09:21 -0700, <mlracette@aol.com> wrote:
>> Don't they both run down the center of the circle, just perpendicular
>> to one another? The regular Bazooka runs straight out from the bulkhead
>> fitting and stretches to the other end of the keg running across the
>> center, and the Bazooka T comes out from the bulkhead fitting via
>> copper tube and into a copper T then the screen (actually two 6"
>> screens) runs parallel to the bulkhead, across the center of the
>> bottom?
>
>Ignore the screen, think about where each draws from. The regular one
>draws right from the bulkhead on the side of the keg. The T draws from
>the copper tube that is in the center of the keg.
>
>> The explanation that the T with copper fittings will allow it to sit on
>> the bottom of the keg better makes sense to me so that's what I'm going
>> to order.
>
>Yeah, if you need it to sit on the concave bottom of the keg then you'll
>want the T version.
I should point out here that the EASYMASHER II screen
has uses a copper tube that causes the runnings to be drawn
from the center and bottom of a converted keg. If anyone
still following this thread is worried about the issues
raised for the Bazooka screen(s), you may want to consider
the EASYMASHER II.
Disclaimer: NAJASCYYY.
--
Joel Plutchak "Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and
plutchak@[...] sometimes I think we're not. In either case the idea
is quite staggering." - Arthur C. Clarke
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 17:03:31
From: Thomas T. Veldhouse
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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Joel <plutchak@see.headers > wrote:
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> I should point out here that the EASYMASHER II screen
> has uses a copper tube that causes the runnings to be drawn
> from the center and bottom of a converted keg. If anyone
> still following this thread is worried about the issues
> raised for the Bazooka screen(s), you may want to consider
> the EASYMASHER II.
>
Of these two, I would pick whichever is cheaper or available. They both
function in the same way.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 17:14:36
From: Joel
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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Thomas T. Veldhouse <veldy71@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Joel <plutchak@see.headers> wrote:
>> I should point out here that the EASYMASHER II screen
>> has uses a copper tube that causes the runnings to be drawn
>> from the center and bottom of a converted keg. If anyone
>> still following this thread is worried about the issues
>> raised for the Bazooka screen(s), you may want to consider
>> the EASYMASHER II.
>
>Of these two, I would pick whichever is cheaper or available. They both
>function in the same way.
From what I've read here, the Bazooka draws from the
edge of the keg, i.e., the screen is attached at the
fitting. That's not the same.
--
Joel Plutchak "Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and
plutchak@[...] sometimes I think we're not. In either case the idea
is quite staggering." - Arthur C. Clarke
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 20:31:08
From: Thomas T. Veldhouse
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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Joel <plutchak@see.headers > wrote:
> Thomas T. Veldhouse <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Joel <plutchak@see.headers> wrote:
>>> I should point out here that the EASYMASHER II screen
>>> has uses a copper tube that causes the runnings to be drawn
>>> from the center and bottom of a converted keg. If anyone
>>> still following this thread is worried about the issues
>>> raised for the Bazooka screen(s), you may want to consider
>>> the EASYMASHER II.
>>
>>Of these two, I would pick whichever is cheaper or available. They both
>>function in the same way.
>
> From what I've read here, the Bazooka draws from the
> edge of the keg, i.e., the screen is attached at the
> fitting. That's not the same.
The T-Screen draws from the center, not the edge. We were comparing the
T-Screen to the EasyMasher II if I am not mistaken.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 07:41:49
From: JS
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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On 31 Jul 2006 08:09:21 -0700, "miker" <mlracette@aol.com > wrote:
>Don't they both run down the center of the circle, just perpendicular
>to one another? The regular Bazooka runs straight out from the bulkhead
>fitting and stretches to the other end of the keg running across the
>center, and the Bazooka T comes out from the bulkhead fitting via
>copper tube and into a copper T then the screen (actually two 6"
>screens) runs parallel to the bulkhead, across the center of the
>bottom?
>
>The explanation that the T with copper fittings will allow it to sit on
>the bottom of the keg better makes sense to me so that's what I'm going
>to order.
FWIW, I started with the Bazooka, then got the T, but now use a SS
braid, a la Denny Conn. The braid may actually be cheaper, esp.
figuring in shipping, and IMO works just as well, possibly a bit
better.
John S.
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 17:05:54
From: Thomas T. Veldhouse
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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JS <jayceeessfouratfrontiernetdotnet > wrote:
> FWIW, I started with the Bazooka, then got the T, but now use a SS
> braid, a la Denny Conn. The braid may actually be cheaper, esp.
> figuring in shipping, and IMO works just as well, possibly a bit
> better.
>
It isn't really cheaper in that it is a cumulative investment that you made on
top of already owning the Bozooka, then the Bazooka T prior to buying the
cheap stainless steel braid. FYI .. I think the stainless steel braid will
likely not work as well for fly sparging as it does for batch sparging unless
one fits sealed fittings to the braid to get the outlet towards the center of
your tun and away from the side [thus avoiding channelling].
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 10:35:54
From: Denny Conn
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote:
> It isn't really cheaper in that it is a cumulative investment that you made on
> top of already owning the Bozooka, then the Bazooka T prior to buying the
> cheap stainless steel braid. FYI .. I think the stainless steel braid will
> likely not work as well for fly sparging as it does for batch sparging unless
> one fits sealed fittings to the braid to get the outlet towards the center of
> your tun and away from the side [thus avoiding channelling].
FWIW, Tom, I bought the Bazookas *after* I'd been using the braid for
several years. I was curious to see if they were any better.
---------- >Denny
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 20:33:04
From: Thomas T. Veldhouse
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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Denny Conn <denny.g.conn@ci.eugene.or.us > wrote:
> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote:
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>> It isn't really cheaper in that it is a cumulative investment that you made on
>> top of already owning the Bozooka, then the Bazooka T prior to buying the
>> cheap stainless steel braid. FYI .. I think the stainless steel braid will
>> likely not work as well for fly sparging as it does for batch sparging unless
>> one fits sealed fittings to the braid to get the outlet towards the center of
>> your tun and away from the side [thus avoiding channelling].
>
> FWIW, Tom, I bought the Bazookas *after* I'd been using the braid for
> several years. I was curious to see if they were any better.
>
> ---------->Denny
Sorry ... I didn't notice the it was you that I was replying too. I already
knew that about you ;-)
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Date: 02 Aug 2006 11:04:34
From: JS
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:05:54 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<veldy71@yahoo.com > wrote:
>JS <jayceeessfouratfrontiernetdotnet> wrote:
>> FWIW, I started with the Bazooka, then got the T, but now use a SS
>> braid, a la Denny Conn. The braid may actually be cheaper, esp.
>> figuring in shipping, and IMO works just as well, possibly a bit
>> better.
>>
>
>It isn't really cheaper in that it is a cumulative investment that you made on
>top of already owning the Bozooka, then the Bazooka T prior to buying the
>cheap stainless steel braid. FYI .. I think the stainless steel braid will
>likely not work as well for fly sparging as it does for batch sparging unless
>one fits sealed fittings to the braid to get the outlet towards the center of
>your tun and away from the side [thus avoiding channelling].
For me it wasn't, but as the OP has not yet bought any of the above,
my suggestion that he may save $ by going directly to the braid has
merit.
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 09:41:13
From: Denny Conn
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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JS wrote:
> FWIW, I started with the Bazooka, then got the T, but now use a SS
> braid, a la Denny Conn. The braid may actually be cheaper, esp.
> figuring in shipping, and IMO works just as well, possibly a bit
> better.
This is NOT a knock against the Bazookas. I have and use both the
straight and the "T". In my experience, though, I've found the braid to
work better in terms o f clearing the runoff faster.
--------- >Denny
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 08:21:04
From: miker
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
>
> Ignore the screen, think about where each draws from. The regular one
> draws right from the bulkhead on the side of the keg. The T draws from
> the copper tube that is in the center of the keg.
> John.
How can you ignore the screen? It seems to me both bazooka's would draw
along the whole length of the screens, otherwise why put a 12" screen
it at all. Might as well just put a small screen over the bulkhead
fitting. I would think this would be especially true in a mash tun
where liquid is drawn in along the length of the screen through the
grain bed.
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Date: 01 Aug 2006 17:02:26
From: Thomas T. Veldhouse
Subject: Re: Bazooka vs. Bazooka T
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miker <mlracette@aol.com > wrote:
> John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
>
>>
>> Ignore the screen, think about where each draws from. The regular one
>> draws right from the bulkhead on the side of the keg. The T draws from
>> the copper tube that is in the center of the keg.
>> John.
>
> How can you ignore the screen? It seems to me both bazooka's would draw
> along the whole length of the screens, otherwise why put a 12" screen
> it at all. Might as well just put a small screen over the bulkhead
> fitting. I would think this would be especially true in a mash tun
> where liquid is drawn in along the length of the screen through the
> grain bed.
>
All liquid passes through the center of the circular base of the kettle as it
leaves the kettle. It MUST because the outlet is there via copper fittings.
The screen allows liquid to pass through it, so it can be ignored [other than
the fact it forms a channel, so one must be careful of the obvious
ramifications. With a non-T-Screen, all liquid pass through the side of the
kettle, thus promoting channelling. The difference amounts to being able to
ignore the screen and noting where the plumbing ends.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
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