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Date: 02 Dec 2006 17:48:09
From: Sheheryar
Subject: Are cornies really 5 gal?
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Hi
I have noticed that I have generally around 8 extra beers when I keg
into 5 gal cornies. Its possible that I brew a tad over 5 gal but not
8 bottles worth (today it was 9 extra bottles when I kegged) I think.
Could it be that cornies are around 4.5 gallons around two inches from
the top? I use a bucket and with generally substantial yeast cake it is
difficult to tell if there is an extra half gallon or so. Is it
possible that I may be brewing closer to six gallon batches given my
extra?
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Date: 02 Dec 2006 23:56:10
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Are cornies really 5 gal?
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Sheheryar wrote:
> Hi
> I have noticed that I have generally around 8 extra beers when I keg
> into 5 gal cornies. Its possible that I brew a tad over 5 gal but not
> 8 bottles worth (today it was 9 extra bottles when I kegged) I think.
> Could it be that cornies are around 4.5 gallons around two inches from
> the top? I use a bucket and with generally substantial yeast cake it is
> difficult to tell if there is an extra half gallon or so. Is it
> possible that I may be brewing closer to six gallon batches given my
> extra?
Well, I brew in a True Brew plastic primary bucket, and always fill to
5 gallons. I transfer to a secondary 5 gallon secondary carboy. And finally
I rack that to a 5 gallon corney. There is always some head space, which
I assume is the loss of beer left behind in primary and secondary.
So I'd say no.. they are 5 gallons.
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Dan
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 07:11:29
From: Scott Lindner
Subject: Re: Are cornies really 5 gal?
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That's my experience as well. That cornies hold five gallons with an
appropriate head space remaining.
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 15:37:24
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Are cornies really 5 gal?
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Sheheryar wrote:
> I have noticed that I have generally around 8 extra beers when I keg
> into 5 gal cornies. Its possible that I brew a tad over 5 gal but not
> 8 bottles worth (today it was 9 extra bottles when I kegged) I think.
> Could it be that cornies are around 4.5 gallons around two inches from
> the top? I use a bucket and with generally substantial yeast cake it is
> difficult to tell if there is an extra half gallon or so. Is it
> possible that I may be brewing closer to six gallon batches given my
> extra?
When I have an unmarked bucket or carboy, I fill it one gallon
at a time and mark it. When I got my firsr carboy, I filled it
one gallon at a time - lo and behold it took 5 gallons with an
eighth of an inch to spare.
Buckets get marked with indiluble ink. For carboys, you can
use duct tape (known as McGyver tape in my house) or scratch
it with the diamond on your wife's engagement ring - if you
have the balls to ask her for it. I use McGyver tape.
Dick
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 16:26:02
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Are cornies really 5 gal?
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Dick Adams <rdadams@smart.net > wrote:
> Sheheryar wrote:
>> I have noticed that I have generally around 8 extra beers when I keg
>> into 5 gal cornies. Its possible that I brew a tad over 5 gal but not
>> 8 bottles worth (today it was 9 extra bottles when I kegged) I think.
>> Could it be that cornies are around 4.5 gallons around two inches from
>> the top? I use a bucket and with generally substantial yeast cake it is
>> difficult to tell if there is an extra half gallon or so. Is it
>> possible that I may be brewing closer to six gallon batches given my
>> extra?
> When I have an unmarked bucket or carboy, I fill it one gallon
> at a time and mark it. When I got my firsr carboy, I filled it
> one gallon at a time - lo and behold it took 5 gallons with an
> eighth of an inch to spare.
Correction: I meant 'my first corney keg'!
Dick
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 14:43:37
From: Bart Goddard
Subject: Re: Are cornies really 5 gal?
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sheheryarhasnain@hotmail.com wrote:
> I have noticed that I have generally around 8 extra beers when I keg
> into 5 gal cornies.
I get only about 5 gallons into a corny, but I get about 6.5 gallons
out. The trick is to use reverse psychology. "Oh, I'm sure it's
almost out", "Yep, it'll blow on this one", "Hear that sucking?
this must be the las one." etc. Try to be very nonchalant and
act a bit distracted as you say these. The keg can usually be
fooled into giving several extra draws this way.
Bart
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The man without a .sig
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 12:13:11
From: Phil
Subject: Re: Are cornies really 5 gal?
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On 3 Dec 2006 14:43:37 GMT, Bart Goddard <goddardbe@netscape.net >
wrote:
>sheheryarhasnain@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>> I have noticed that I have generally around 8 extra beers when I keg
>> into 5 gal cornies.
>
>I get only about 5 gallons into a corny, but I get about 6.5 gallons
>out. The trick is to use reverse psychology. "Oh, I'm sure it's
>almost out", "Yep, it'll blow on this one", "Hear that sucking?
>this must be the las one." etc. Try to be very nonchalant and
>act a bit distracted as you say these. The keg can usually be
>fooled into giving several extra draws this way.
I use the same psychology when it's time to leave a bar. "Let's just
get one more." or "They're probably not going to have this beer again
for a few weeks." or "You know we'll never getting parking when we get
home."
I'm typing this from inside a bar right not. Is November over yet?
Phil
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 02:03:19
From: Bart Goddard
Subject: Re: Are cornies really 5 gal?
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dogglebe@yahoooo.com wrote:
> I'm typing this from inside a bar right not. Is November over yet?
What year?
--
The man without a .sig
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 13:28:14
From: Phil
Subject: Re: Are cornies really 5 gal?
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On 4 Dec 2006 02:03:19 GMT, Bart Goddard <goddardbe@netscape.net >
wrote:
>dogglebe@yahoooo.com wrote:
>
>
>> I'm typing this from inside a bar right not. Is November over yet?
>
>What year?
Hey! Keep out of my business, loser!
Phil
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visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website:
http://www.hbd.org/nychg
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 19:46:22
From: Bart Goddard
Subject: Re: Are cornies really 5 gal?
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dogglebe@yahoooo.com wrote:
> On 4 Dec 2006 02:03:19 GMT, Bart Goddard <goddardbe@netscape.net>
> wrote:
>
>>dogglebe@yahoooo.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'm typing this from inside a bar right not. Is November over yet?
>>
>>What year?
>
> Hey! Keep out of my business, loser!
Oh yeah? Oh yeah? Well my friend here doesn't like yer
face.
--
The man without a .sig
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 14:09:43
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: Are cornies really 5 gal?
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Bart Goddard wrote:
> dogglebe@yahoooo.com wrote:
>
>> On 4 Dec 2006 02:03:19 GMT, Bart Goddard <goddardbe@netscape.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> dogglebe@yahoooo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm typing this from inside a bar right not. Is November over yet?
>>> What year?
>> Hey! Keep out of my business, loser!
>
> Oh yeah? Oh yeah? Well my friend here doesn't like yer
> face.
Don't insult us. You just watch yourself. We're
wanted men. I have the death sentence in twelve systems.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 14:24:12
From: Bart Goddard
Subject: Re: Are cornies really 5 gal?
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mikey666@666swampgas.666com wrote:
> Bart Goddard wrote:
>> dogglebe@yahoooo.com wrote:
>>
>>> On 4 Dec 2006 02:03:19 GMT, Bart Goddard <goddardbe@netscape.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> dogglebe@yahoooo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm typing this from inside a bar right not. Is November over yet?
>>>> What year?
>>> Hey! Keep out of my business, loser!
>>
>> Oh yeah? Oh yeah? Well my friend here doesn't like yer
>> face.
>
> Don't insult us. You just watch yourself. We're
> wanted men. I have the death sentence in twelve systems.
<buuuuuuzzzhhhh > <woozzzhhh> <hmmmmmmmm> <swwwwzh...whmmm...>
Sorry about the mess.
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 18:33:49
From:
Subject: Re: Are cornies really 5 gal?
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Sheheryar wrote:
> Hi
> I have noticed that I have generally around 8 extra beers when I keg
> into 5 gal cornies. Its possible that I brew a tad over 5 gal but not
> 8 bottles worth (today it was 9 extra bottles when I kegged) I think.
> Could it be that cornies are around 4.5 gallons around two inches from
> the top? I use a bucket and with generally substantial yeast cake it is
> difficult to tell if there is an extra half gallon or so. Is it
> possible that I may be brewing closer to six gallon batches given my
> extra?
Not a problem I have. I brew and ferment 5 gal. After transfers to
secondary and then to the keg plus tastings, for quality control
purposes of course, I usualy end up with about 4.7 gal which leaves a
nice head space in my kegs. I had to do two taste tests on the blonde
ale I just moved to secondary yesterday so the serving keg for that one
will be about 4.5 gal. ;)
Bryan
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 08:36:05
From: brian@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Are cornies really 5 gal?
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On Dec 4, 11:17 am, "Sheheryar" <sheheryarhasn...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Thanks to all! I did wonder why a few brews turned out a bit thin! I
> will go the duct tape route to limit my brews to 5 gallons. Thanks
> again.
> Sheheryar
I use the duct tape moethod on carboys too.
First I marked them with a marker and it washed off on the first
cleaning......
Then I got smart and marked 5 gal with a horizontal piece of duct
tape.... Then the next time I tried to remember... was it 5 gal to the
top of the tape or the bottom of the tape?!?!?!
Now I'm going to go vertical and mark each Gal on the tape.
Does anybody have a good method of marking gallons on a converted 1/4
keg boil pot? Does etching a line on the inside generally work or is
the "mark a stick" methiod generally better?
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 08:17:43
From: Sheheryar
Subject: Re: Are cornies really 5 gal?
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Thanks to all! I did wonder why a few brews turned out a bit thin! I
will go the duct tape route to limit my brews to 5 gallons. Thanks
again.
Sheheryar
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 14:11:51
From: Sheheryar
Subject: Re: Are cornies really 5 gal?
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Yes, I very much am brewing in the US....Chicago to be exact. Quick
question: I have been using 10 lbs of grain per batch. If I were to be
extracting around 5.75 gallons from it, with average efficiency, what
would the ABV be (for say Marris Otter). I am curious since I have
been using this quantity of grain assuming that I was getting 5 gallons
out of it (and the taste was good except for a few batches here and
there that were slightly thin). I did up my grain bill to 11 lbs in my
last batch -- assuming the same extraction (5.75 gal), what should I
expect the ABV be with average efficiency (batch sparge)? Any insight
here would help.
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 22:37:44
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Are cornies really 5 gal?
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On 4 Dec 2006 14:11:51 -0800, <sheheryarhasnain@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Yes, I very much am brewing in the US....Chicago to be exact. Quick
> question: I have been using 10 lbs of grain per batch. If I were to be
> extracting around 5.75 gallons from it, with average efficiency, what
> would the ABV be (for say Marris Otter). I am curious since I have
> been using this quantity of grain assuming that I was getting 5 gallons
> out of it (and the taste was good except for a few batches here and
> there that were slightly thin). I did up my grain bill to 11 lbs in my
> last batch -- assuming the same extraction (5.75 gal), what should I
> expect the ABV be with average efficiency (batch sparge)? Any insight
> here would help.
I don't know what "average efficiency" is, but I'll guess and say 75%.
1 lbs of 2-row will give you about 5 gravity points in a 5.75 volume batch
at 75% efficiency. So 10 lbs would be a total of 1.050 and 11 lbs would be
a total of 1.055
(lbs_of_grain * grain_ppg * efficiency) / volume
The ppg of 2-row is 38, see the following table for some ppg numbers
http://www.howtobrew.com/section2/chapter12-4-1.html
(10 * 38 * .75) / 5.75 = 1.050 (technically 1.0495, but I rounded up).
That's assuming it was all base grain. Other grains have slightly different
contributions to the SG, and it can vary year to year.
John.
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 13:59:05
From: Bryan Heit
Subject: Re: Are cornies really 5 gal?
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Sheheryar wrote:
> Hi
> I have noticed that I have generally around 8 extra beers when I keg
> into 5 gal cornies. Its possible that I brew a tad over 5 gal but not
> 8 bottles worth (today it was 9 extra bottles when I kegged) I think.
> Could it be that cornies are around 4.5 gallons around two inches from
> the top? I use a bucket and with generally substantial yeast cake it is
> difficult to tell if there is an extra half gallon or so. Is it
> possible that I may be brewing closer to six gallon batches given my
> extra?
>
Another possibility:
Cornies hold 5 US gallons (19L) of beer. If you're brewing outside of
the US chances are you're brewing 5 imperial gallons (23L), which is
about 6US gallons. That 4L is about 11 bottles of beer, which could
easily become 8 when you take into consideration some of the inevitable
loss during racking and so forth.
Of course, if you live in the US the above point is moot...
Bryan
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