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Date: 30 Sep 2006 15:17:58
From: Al Fresco
Subject: Aeration Without Stone?
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I was just reading the White Labs site. They seem to have a bug up their
butt about oxygen, talking about how commercial brewers do a great job
of adding it to wort, while homebrewers do a shitty job.
They suggest using an aquarium pump and hose, but no stone. They claim a
stone causes too much foaming. Has anyone here tried this?
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 16:51:24
From: Gerard Eberlein
Subject: Re: Aeration Without Stone?
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"Al Fresco" <notmyemailaddress@yourbutt.com > wrote in message
news:upzTg.43568$vX5.40403@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
> I was just reading the White Labs site. They seem to have a bug up their
> butt about oxygen, talking about how commercial brewers do a great job
> of adding it to wort, while homebrewers do a shitty job.
>
> They suggest using an aquarium pump and hose, but no stone. They claim a
> stone causes too much foaming. Has anyone here tried this?
I never use either...i pump my auto siphon and it causes massive foam,
obviously getting some aeration then add the yeast and use my paddle to whip
it for another 5 mins or so. I've done 1.087 OG brews this way before with
no problems.
Gerard
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 17:41:48
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: Aeration Without Stone?
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Gerard Eberlein wrote:
> "Al Fresco" <notmyemailaddress@yourbutt.com> wrote in message
> news:upzTg.43568$vX5.40403@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
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>>I was just reading the White Labs site. They seem to have a bug up their
>>butt about oxygen, talking about how commercial brewers do a great job
>>of adding it to wort, while homebrewers do a shitty job.
>>
>>They suggest using an aquarium pump and hose, but no stone. They claim a
>>stone causes too much foaming. Has anyone here tried this?
>
>
> I never use either...i pump my auto siphon and it causes massive foam,
> obviously getting some aeration then add the yeast and use my paddle to whip
> it for another 5 mins or so. I've done 1.087 OG brews this way before with
> no problems.
I've never added oxygen with a stone.. just stirring and shaking the fermentor.
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Dan
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 15:15:32
From: Scott L
Subject: Re: So what's the best way to get started?
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Steve/Aus wrote:
> You can easily fit a blow off tube to a plastic fermenter if you use a two
> piece airlock. Remove the airlock lid to fit the plastic tube.
> Steve W (in Aus)
Problem is, the blowoff still has to go through that tiny tube to get
into the airlock. So it could still get clogged.
Scott
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 07:50:21
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: So what's the best way to get started?
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Scott L <scott-sp02@neuralnw.com > wrote:
> Steve/Aus wrote:
>> You can easily fit a blow off tube to a plastic fermenter if you use a two
>> piece airlock. Remove the airlock lid to fit the plastic tube.
> Problem is, the blowoff still has to go through that tiny tube to get
> into the airlock. So it could still get clogged.
Snip the end off the bottom of the airlock.
Dick
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 15:36:35
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: So what's the best way to get started?
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On 30 Sep 2006 15:15:32 -0700, <scott-sp02@neuralnw.com > wrote:
> Steve/Aus wrote:
>> You can easily fit a blow off tube to a plastic fermenter if you use a two
>> piece airlock. Remove the airlock lid to fit the plastic tube.
>> Steve W (in Aus)
>
> Problem is, the blowoff still has to go through that tiny tube to get
> into the airlock. So it could still get clogged.
I don't ferment in buckets, but if I had to and ran into a blowoff, I'd
probably just stick the fermenter in a shallow tub to collect the mess
and leave the lid on loose without a blowoff tube. You'll have to clean
up the outside of the bucket later, but it should work fine.
John.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 19:40:15
From: David M. Taylor
Subject: Re: Aeration Without Stone?
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"Dan Logcher" <dlogcher*xspam*@comcast.net > wrote in message
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> I've never added oxygen with a stone.. just stirring and shaking the
> fermentor.
Same here... I just stir the hell out of it as hard as I can for as long as
I can (I ferment in plastic buckets), and then when my arm is really tired,
I stir some more. Works for me. I subscribe to the KISS philosophy. That
and I'm cheap. Very cheap. And I still manage to make great beer. Who
needs an aeration stone and oxygen tank when you can use a big plastic
kitchen spoon that's worth about 99 cents.
--
Dave
"Just a drink, a little drink, and I'll be feeling GOOooOOooOOooD!" --
Genesis, 1973-ish
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 14:28:05
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: Aeration Without Stone?
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Al Fresco wrote:
> I was just reading the White Labs site. They seem to have a bug up their
> butt about oxygen, talking about how commercial brewers do a great job
> of adding it to wort, while homebrewers do a shitty job.
>
> They suggest using an aquarium pump and hose, but no stone. They claim a
> stone causes too much foaming. Has anyone here tried this?
One way around this is to use an Oxynator -- just a regulater, tubing
and stone that you can use with commonly available O2 cylinders from the
hardware store. Foams like crazy, but it only takes 45 seconds or so to
aerate a batch, so the foam isn't really a problem.
A stone probably gets more O2 in faster, but you should probably use
Foam Control or some other anti-heading compound if you go that route.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 09:29:02
From: Mark R
Subject: Re: Aeration Without Stone?
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"Al Fresco" <notmyemailaddress@yourbutt.com > wrote in message
news:upzTg.43568$vX5.40403@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
> I was just reading the White Labs site. They seem to have a bug up their
> butt about oxygen, talking about how commercial brewers do a great job
> of adding it to wort, while homebrewers do a shitty job.
>
> They suggest using an aquarium pump and hose, but no stone. They claim a
> stone causes too much foaming. Has anyone here tried this?
Don't use a stone so can't help you on the foaming question though I've read
many post about using stones and no complaints come to mind.
I'd be willing to bet that WL is covering their butt because they know that
they advertise "pitchable" yeast that really doesn't meet the recommended
cell count for the average 5 gal batch. Pumping your batch full of O2 helps
the yeast recover and multiply quicker and lessens the possibility of
fermentation problems from under pitching.
Mark R
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 14:58:03
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Aeration Without Stone?
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On Sun, 1 2006 09:29:02 -0500, <marknorayspam@noev1spam.net > wrote:
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> "Al Fresco" <notmyemailaddress@yourbutt.com> wrote in message
> news:upzTg.43568$vX5.40403@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>> I was just reading the White Labs site. They seem to have a bug up their
>> butt about oxygen, talking about how commercial brewers do a great job
>> of adding it to wort, while homebrewers do a shitty job.
>>
>> They suggest using an aquarium pump and hose, but no stone. They claim a
>> stone causes too much foaming. Has anyone here tried this?
>
> Don't use a stone so can't help you on the foaming question though I've read
> many post about using stones and no complaints come to mind.
>
> I'd be willing to bet that WL is covering their butt because they know that
> they advertise "pitchable" yeast that really doesn't meet the recommended
> cell count for the average 5 gal batch. Pumping your batch full of O2 helps
> the yeast recover and multiply quicker and lessens the possibility of
> fermentation problems from under pitching.
I generally take everything WL says on their website with a couple grains of
salt. IMO, there are lots of things on there that are fairly questionable or
extremely outdated.
John.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 07:47:52
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Aeration Without Stone?
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Al Fresco <notmyemailaddress@yourbutt.com > wrote:
> I was just reading the White Labs site. They seem to have a
> bug up their butt about oxygen, talking about how commercial
> brewers do a great job of adding it to wort, while homebrewers
> do a shitty job.
>
> They suggest using an aquarium pump and hose, but no stone.
> They claim a stone causes too much foaming. Has anyone here
> tried this?
I've used a stone with little foaming in my Ales as well as my
Meads. Once they go into the fermentation fridge, they don't
come out until they are finished. So I do 2nd and 3rd day
aeration with a stone.
With my Meads, I add 1.5 gallons of 120F (~49C) to the honey and
mix it with a stirrer on the end of a variable speed power drill.
Then I merge in cold water and keep mixing. After I pitch the
yeast and the nutrient, I aerate again with the stone.
I haven't had a foaming problem since I went to 7.5 gallon
primaries and blow off tubes.
As far as White Labs is concerned if I had the money for
commercial equipment, I'd own a part interest in a Meadery
and work there as a Quality Assurance Tester.
Dick
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 10:17:47
From: Al Fresco
Subject: Re: Aeration Without Stone?
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If you're aerating that far into fermentation, how do you avoid oxidation?
Dick Adams wrote:
> Al Fresco <notmyemailaddress@yourbutt.com> wrote:
>
>> I was just reading the White Labs site. They seem to have a
>> bug up their butt about oxygen, talking about how commercial
>> brewers do a great job of adding it to wort, while homebrewers
>> do a shitty job.
>>
>> They suggest using an aquarium pump and hose, but no stone.
>> They claim a stone causes too much foaming. Has anyone here
>> tried this?
>
> I've used a stone with little foaming in my Ales as well as my
> Meads. Once they go into the fermentation fridge, they don't
> come out until they are finished. So I do 2nd and 3rd day
> aeration with a stone.
>
> With my Meads, I add 1.5 gallons of 120F (~49C) to the honey and
> mix it with a stirrer on the end of a variable speed power drill.
> Then I merge in cold water and keep mixing. After I pitch the
> yeast and the nutrient, I aerate again with the stone.
>
> I haven't had a foaming problem since I went to 7.5 gallon
> primaries and blow off tubes.
>
> As far as White Labs is concerned if I had the money for
> commercial equipment, I'd own a part interest in a Meadery
> and work there as a Quality Assurance Tester.
>
> Dick
>
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 21:36:16
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: Aeration Without Stone?
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Al Fresco <notmyemailaddress@yourbutt.com > wrote:
> If you're aerating that far into fermentation, how do you avoid oxidation?
Excuse my lack of clarity. I only aerate Meads on the 2nd and 3rd days.
Dick
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 14:48:31
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: Aeration Without Stone?
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:17:58 -0400, <notmyemailaddress@yourbutt.com > wrote:
> I was just reading the White Labs site. They seem to have a bug up their
> butt about oxygen, talking about how commercial brewers do a great job
> of adding it to wort, while homebrewers do a shitty job.
I haven't read their comments, but in general it's probably true that
most homebrewers tend to under aerate (as well as under pitch).
> They suggest using an aquarium pump and hose, but no stone. They claim a
> stone causes too much foaming. Has anyone here tried this?
Did they say why too much foaming was bad?
Personally, I use a mix-stir aerator. Cheap, easy, and effective (I sound
like a commercial).
John.
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 09:01:52
From: Ryan Case
Subject: Re: Aeration Without Stone?
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Al Fresco wrote:
> I was just reading the White Labs site. They seem to have a bug up their
> butt about oxygen, talking about how commercial brewers do a great job
> of adding it to wort, while homebrewers do a shitty job.
>
> They suggest using an aquarium pump and hose, but no stone. They claim a
> stone causes too much foaming. Has anyone here tried this?
I use a 12 gallon plastic bucket for primary of all my 10 gallon
batches. I put the 12 gallon bucket in the bottom of the fermenting
freezer with the yeast starter poured in it. I then pump the cooled wort
out of the system into a 7 gallon bucket with spigot. The bucket gets
set on the corner of the freezer and the spigot opened. Takes about 4
minutes to empty the bucket into the fermenter and there is plenty of
foam on top after (6 or so inches). Just repeat for the second five
gallons and away we go. 4-5 hours is usual lag time for a mediocre starter.
Ryan
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 19:02:02
From: Charlie Tuna
Subject: Re: Aeration Without Stone?
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On Thu, 05 2006 09:01:52 -0700, Ryan Case <usenet@jamesrobert.us >
wrote:
>Al Fresco wrote:
>> I was just reading the White Labs site. They seem to have a bug up their
>> butt about oxygen, talking about how commercial brewers do a great job
>> of adding it to wort, while homebrewers do a shitty job.
>>
>> They suggest using an aquarium pump and hose, but no stone. They claim a
>> stone causes too much foaming. Has anyone here tried this?
>
>
>I use a 12 gallon plastic bucket for primary of all my 10 gallon
>batches. I put the 12 gallon bucket in the bottom of the fermenting
>freezer with the yeast starter poured in it. I then pump the cooled wort
> out of the system into a 7 gallon bucket with spigot. The bucket gets
>set on the corner of the freezer and the spigot opened. Takes about 4
>minutes to empty the bucket into the fermenter and there is plenty of
>foam on top after (6 or so inches). Just repeat for the second five
>gallons and away we go. 4-5 hours is usual lag time for a mediocre starter.
>
>Ryan
I use 10 inch long copper tube as the end of my delivery tube and at
the upper end is a hole just a bit smaller than the ID of the tube.The
Venturi effect draws in a loT of air and the distal end of the Cu tube
enters a hose which then goes to a plastic T tube so that even more
air enters.This "work snmarter,not harder aeration plus a large
starter will make fermentation a failproof sitution
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