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Date: 06 Dec 2006 14:44:56
From: John LaBella
Subject: ANother NOOB Question re Carbonation Sugar
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I am still learning at this.
I do bottle my beer (currently an Irish Stout Kit in Primary Fermenting
stage).
Do you add the Carbonation sugar as x gms(oz) solid to each bottle?
Do you dissolve the total you need in the now complete brew and bottle
from there?
Do you make a super concentrated solution and add the appropriate
solution amount to the bottle?
I thought I had it but now not so sure.
Just wait till I attempt my first not from kit brew.....
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 15:55:36
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: ANother NOOB Question re Carbonation Sugar
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On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:44:56 GMT, <blank@dev.com > wrote:
> I am still learning at this.
> I do bottle my beer (currently an Irish Stout Kit in Primary Fermenting
> stage).
>
> Do you add the Carbonation sugar as x gms(oz) solid to each bottle?
> Do you dissolve the total you need in the now complete brew and bottle
> from there?
> Do you make a super concentrated solution and add the appropriate
> solution amount to the bottle?
You're talking about "bottle priming" vs "bulk priming". Bulk priming is
usually the recommended way. IE disolve the total amount of priming sugar
in a little bit of boiling water, and add it to the full 5 gallon batch. Then
bottle the beer. This way, each bottle should have a nearly identical
portion of the sugar. If you try and measure/fill each bottle individually,
it's way too easy to make mistakes and have various levels of carbonation.
John.
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 14:59:41
From: John Bleichert
Subject: Re: ANother NOOB Question re Carbonation Sugar
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John LaBella <blank@dev.com > wrote:
> I am still learning at this.
> I do bottle my beer (currently an Irish Stout Kit in Primary Fermenting
> stage).
>
> Do you add the Carbonation sugar as x gms(oz) solid to each bottle?
> Do you dissolve the total you need in the now complete brew and bottle
> from there?
> Do you make a super concentrated solution and add the appropriate
> solution amount to the bottle?
>
> I thought I had it but now not so sure.
>
> Just wait till I attempt my first not from kit brew.....
Prepare your priming sugar solution (boil it for a few minutes to
sanitize it), then pour it into your bottling bucket (after it cools)
and *then* rack your beer into the bottling bucket on top of the
priming solution.
Putting the priming solution in first then racking on top of it allows
the solution to mix into the beer w/o any aeration from manual
mixing. At least that's how I do it.
HTH - JB
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John Bleichert syborg@earthlink.net
The heat from below can burn your eyes out!!
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 07:07:12
From: Ryan Case
Subject: Re: ANother NOOB Question re Carbonation Sugar
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John Bleichert wrote:
> John LaBella <blank@dev.com> wrote:
>> I am still learning at this.
>> I do bottle my beer (currently an Irish Stout Kit in Primary Fermenting
>> stage).
>>
>> Do you add the Carbonation sugar as x gms(oz) solid to each bottle?
>> Do you dissolve the total you need in the now complete brew and bottle
>> from there?
>> Do you make a super concentrated solution and add the appropriate
>> solution amount to the bottle?
>>
>> I thought I had it but now not so sure.
>>
>> Just wait till I attempt my first not from kit brew.....
>
> Prepare your priming sugar solution (boil it for a few minutes to
> sanitize it), then pour it into your bottling bucket (after it cools)
> and *then* rack your beer into the bottling bucket on top of the
> priming solution.
>
> Putting the priming solution in first then racking on top of it allows
> the solution to mix into the beer w/o any aeration from manual
> mixing. At least that's how I do it.
>
Second this method.
I go so far as to do this with my kegs as well. That way I can bottle a
sixer off the top and put the rest in the keg. Seal her up, give a blast
of co2 and stick in a dark corner of the garage for a week. This way I
get a couple bottles to put away for testing aging on that particular
recipe.
Ryan
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 11:01:28
From: Carter Cathey
Subject: Re: ANother NOOB Question re Carbonation Sugar
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The only problem with this is that you will get sediment from the addition
of sugar to the beer. Not a big deal, but this seems like a an odd choice
when you already have the equipment. Also, the beer will be unavailable for
another 7-14 days.
A manifold for your CO2 is very inexpensive and would allow you to serve and
pressurize at the same time or you could just switch the gas from one to the
other when you are not drinking.
No offense, it would certainly work, it just seems like a counter-intuitive
step to me.
Carter
>
> I go so far as to do this with my kegs as well. That way I can bottle a
> sixer off the top and put the rest in the keg. Seal her up, give a blast
> of co2 and stick in a dark corner of the garage for a week. This way I get
> a couple bottles to put away for testing aging on that particular recipe.
>
> Ryan
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 15:36:47
From: John Bleichert
Subject: Re: ANother NOOB Question re Carbonation Sugar
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Ryan Case <usenet@jamesrobert.us > wrote:
> John Bleichert wrote:
>> John LaBella <blank@dev.com> wrote:
>>> I am still learning at this.
>>> I do bottle my beer (currently an Irish Stout Kit in Primary Fermenting
>>> stage).
>>>
>>> Do you add the Carbonation sugar as x gms(oz) solid to each bottle?
>>> Do you dissolve the total you need in the now complete brew and bottle
>>> from there?
>>> Do you make a super concentrated solution and add the appropriate
>>> solution amount to the bottle?
>>>
>>> I thought I had it but now not so sure.
>>>
>>> Just wait till I attempt my first not from kit brew.....
>>
>> Prepare your priming sugar solution (boil it for a few minutes to
>> sanitize it), then pour it into your bottling bucket (after it cools)
>> and *then* rack your beer into the bottling bucket on top of the
>> priming solution.
>>
>> Putting the priming solution in first then racking on top of it allows
>> the solution to mix into the beer w/o any aeration from manual
>> mixing. At least that's how I do it.
>>
> Second this method.
>
> I go so far as to do this with my kegs as well. That way I can bottle a
> sixer off the top and put the rest in the keg. Seal her up, give a blast
> of co2 and stick in a dark corner of the garage for a week. This way I
> get a couple bottles to put away for testing aging on that particular
> recipe.
>
> Ryan
Really? Prime *and* pressurize? Never thought of that. Haven't started
kegging yet, either... :-)
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John Bleichert syborg@earthlink.net
The heat from below can burn your eyes out!!
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 15:59:51
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: ANother NOOB Question re Carbonation Sugar
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On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:36:47 GMT, <syborg@earthlink.net > wrote:
>> I go so far as to do this with my kegs as well. That way I can bottle a
>> sixer off the top and put the rest in the keg. Seal her up, give a blast
>> of co2 and stick in a dark corner of the garage for a week. This way I
>> get a couple bottles to put away for testing aging on that particular
>> recipe.
>>
>> Ryan
>
> Really? Prime *and* pressurize? Never thought of that. Haven't started
> kegging yet, either... :-)
I'm not sure why anyone would want to prime their kegs, but hey, it's their
choice. However, when doing it this way, yeah, you still need to initially
pressurize with CO2. The internal pressure is what seals the lid on a corny
keg. If you just prime and don't hit it with initial pressure, then as
the CO2 is slowly created by the yeast chances are it will leak out around
the lid.
John.
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 07:55:49
From: Ryan Case
Subject: Re: ANother NOOB Question re Carbonation Sugar
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John Bleichert wrote:
> Ryan Case <usenet@jamesrobert.us> wrote:
>> John Bleichert wrote:
>>> John LaBella <blank@dev.com> wrote:
>>>> I am still learning at this.
>>>> I do bottle my beer (currently an Irish Stout Kit in Primary Fermenting
>>>> stage).
>>>>
>>>> Do you add the Carbonation sugar as x gms(oz) solid to each bottle?
>>>> Do you dissolve the total you need in the now complete brew and bottle
>>>> from there?
>>>> Do you make a super concentrated solution and add the appropriate
>>>> solution amount to the bottle?
>>>>
>>>> I thought I had it but now not so sure.
>>>>
>>>> Just wait till I attempt my first not from kit brew.....
>>> Prepare your priming sugar solution (boil it for a few minutes to
>>> sanitize it), then pour it into your bottling bucket (after it cools)
>>> and *then* rack your beer into the bottling bucket on top of the
>>> priming solution.
>>>
>>> Putting the priming solution in first then racking on top of it allows
>>> the solution to mix into the beer w/o any aeration from manual
>>> mixing. At least that's how I do it.
>>>
>> Second this method.
>>
>> I go so far as to do this with my kegs as well. That way I can bottle a
>> sixer off the top and put the rest in the keg. Seal her up, give a blast
>> of co2 and stick in a dark corner of the garage for a week. This way I
>> get a couple bottles to put away for testing aging on that particular
>> recipe.
>>
>> Ryan
>
> Really? Prime *and* pressurize? Never thought of that. Haven't started
> kegging yet, either... :-)
>
I am just hitting it with the pressure I will be serving it at and then
disconnecting it. That way the lid seats against the o-ring and I don't
have to worry about the co2 created from the priming sugar slipping out
around a *loose* lid.
I only have so much co2 kit, and have found that this method is much
easier time and hassle wise. It also seems to give me more consistant
results then screwing around with high pressure and rocking kegs around
did. (leaving the co2 hooked up at serving pressure would mean that it
is not serving the other beers)
Some day, when I have money to spend, I will have more kegs and could
have a second gas source that I can leave hooked up to force carbonate,
but I like the results I get from naturally carbonating in the keg just
fine. It also keeps me from getting into it too soon. ;~)
Ryan
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 18:21:11
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: ANother NOOB Question re Carbonation Sugar
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On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 07:55:49 -0800, <usenet@jamesrobert.us > wrote:
> I only have so much co2 kit, and have found that this method is much
> easier time and hassle wise. It also seems to give me more consistant
> results then screwing around with high pressure and rocking kegs around
> did. (leaving the co2 hooked up at serving pressure would mean that it
> is not serving the other beers)
>
> Some day, when I have money to spend, I will have more kegs and could
> have a second gas source that I can leave hooked up to force carbonate,
> but I like the results I get from naturally carbonating in the keg just
> fine. It also keeps me from getting into it too soon. ;~)
FYI, you don't need a seperate gas source (another tank, etc). Just put
a splitter/manifold on the one you have.
John.
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 16:00:06
From: John Bleichert
Subject: Re: ANother NOOB Question re Carbonation Sugar
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Ryan Case <usenet@jamesrobert.us > wrote:
> John Bleichert wrote:
>> Ryan Case <usenet@jamesrobert.us> wrote:
>>> John Bleichert wrote:
>>>> John LaBella <blank@dev.com> wrote:
<snip >
>>> Second this method.
>>>
>>> I go so far as to do this with my kegs as well. That way I can bottle a
>>> sixer off the top and put the rest in the keg. Seal her up, give a blast
>>> of co2 and stick in a dark corner of the garage for a week. This way I
>>> get a couple bottles to put away for testing aging on that particular
>>> recipe.
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>
>> Really? Prime *and* pressurize? Never thought of that. Haven't started
>> kegging yet, either... :-)
>>
> I am just hitting it with the pressure I will be serving it at and then
> disconnecting it. That way the lid seats against the o-ring and I don't
> have to worry about the co2 created from the priming sugar slipping out
> around a *loose* lid.
>
> I only have so much co2 kit, and have found that this method is much
> easier time and hassle wise. It also seems to give me more consistant
> results then screwing around with high pressure and rocking kegs around
> did. (leaving the co2 hooked up at serving pressure would mean that it
> is not serving the other beers)
>
> Some day, when I have money to spend, I will have more kegs and could
> have a second gas source that I can leave hooked up to force carbonate,
> but I like the results I get from naturally carbonating in the keg just
> fine. It also keeps me from getting into it too soon. ;~)
>
> Ryan
Cool. I like it. I'm thinking of getting into kegging in early 07,
this will be a way to save some $$$ and time and still have some
bottles.
Thanks - JB
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John Bleichert syborg@earthlink.net
The heat from below can burn your eyes out!!
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 15:17:52
From: Mark R
Subject: Re: ANother NOOB Question re Carbonation Sugar
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"Ryan Case" <usenet@jamesrobert.us > wrote in message
>>
>> Putting the priming solution in first then racking on top of it allows
>> the solution to mix into the beer w/o any aeration from manual
>> mixing. At least that's how I do it.
>>
> Second this method.
>
> I go so far as to do this with my kegs as well. That way I can bottle a
> sixer off the top and put the rest in the keg. Seal her up, give a blast
> of co2 and stick in a dark corner of the garage for a week. This way I get
> a couple bottles to put away for testing aging on that particular recipe.
I also boil up my priming sugar and put it in the bottling bucket first.
Then rack on top of it and give it a couple of swirls for good measure at
the end. I think when I go to keg I'll look into those priming tabs for the
few I bottle.
Mark R
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 08:53:31
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: ANother NOOB Question re Carbonation Sugar
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John LaBella wrote:
> I am still learning at this.
> I do bottle my beer (currently an Irish Stout Kit in Primary Fermenting
> stage).
>
> Do you add the Carbonation sugar as x gms(oz) solid to each bottle?
> Do you dissolve the total you need in the now complete brew and bottle
> from there?
> Do you make a super concentrated solution and add the appropriate
> solution amount to the bottle?
>
The usual approach is to rack the beer to a bottling bucket (often with
a spigot and add the priming sugar (or a solution) to the bucket, being
sure you mix well, so that the sugar is dissolved and evenly
distributed. As a rule, you should not add sugar directly to bottles as
very small measurement errors can result in either bottle bombs, over
carbonation or under carbonation.
One cool thing that is available to homebrewers now, however, are
precisely measured sugar tablets or drops. These are sold as Prime Tabs,
Coopers Drops or Muntons Carb tabs. These can be added directly to each
bottle. You add only a couple for light carbonation, or several for more
carbonation (the exact number depends on the mfgr).
I keg, but will occasionally bottle condition part of a batch -- these
work extremely well for that.
As usual, check http://www.howtobrew.com for a pretty complete online
guide that should give you pretty good instructions for the entire process.
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