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Date: 06 Nov 2006 22:56:05
From: Tony M
Subject: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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I just finished bottling my first batch and well... I think it kinda sucks
to go through the whole process of boiling, sanitizing, pitching ( I used a
starter), waiting, racking, waiting, boiling caps, boiling priming sugar,
transfering to a bottling bucket, cleaning and sanitizing bottles, filling
bottles, and capping all those bottles (did I forget something?) only to end
up with 8'ish six packs of good beer. Not to mention all the clean-up. Don't
get me wrong, I truly enjoy all the processes and it's not enough to make me
want to quit brewing. I just had a simple idea of doing a full 5 gal boil
with double the ingredients and then splitting the wort into two separate
fermenters and then topping them both off to 5 gal each making a total of 10
gal in one boil. That way every step is doubled but the end result is 16'ish
six packs instead of 8. I've heard of others doing partial boils and topping
up to 5 gal successfully but what taste difference should I expect if any
from splitting up a full boil this way. Also, since all my brew stuff is now
clean and empty and ready for a new brew if anyone has a good recipe for a
pale ale using the 10 gal method please pass it on. I'm looking for a good
"house" brew type. Oh yea, right now I'm only doing extract and steep
brewing due to lack of equipment/knowledge to do anything else. Thanks, Tony
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 09:40:01
From: Mark R
Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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"Tony M" <fakeemail@null.com > wrote in message
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> I just finished bottling my first batch and well... I think it kinda sucks
> to go through the whole process.....
> I just had a simple idea of doing a full 5 gal boil
> with double the ingredients and then splitting the wort into two separate
> fermenters and then topping them both off to 5 gal each making a total of
10
> gal in one boil....
Bottling is what pushes many on to bigger and better things. Some jump
straight kegging, others progress more slowly with 5L mini-kegs,
Tap-A-Drafts, or Party Pigs. Each has their good and bad points. A google
search of R.C.B. will bring up tons of discussions on each.
If 8 six packs isn't enough to last you between batches you have three main
choices. Brew more often, brew bigger batches, or you can drink less, but
that's not always a popular option. If you choose bigger batches, yes you
can do a partial boil for a 10 gallon batch. As well as what the others have
pointed out, your hops usage will drop because of the higher gravity so
you'll need to increase the amount of hops for each addition.
Also keep in mind that what you suggest isn't a big time saver. sure you'll
get twice the beer but you'll have to prep twice the equipment for
fermenting, and secondary, and twice the bottles at bottling time. Plus,
unless you have a 10 gallon bottling bucket you'll have to prime 5 gallons
at a time too. Unless you really want to start working with 10 gallon
batches right away, I would suggest moving away from bottles first. That
would ease up on some of the work effort and you could brew a little more
often to keep up with consumption.
Mark R
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 16:34:32
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Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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: batches right away, I would suggest moving away from bottles first. That
: would ease up on some of the work effort and you could brew a little more
: often to keep up with consumption.
I'd second that. If I were bottling rather than kegging, I wouldn't be
brewing anymore. Way too much aggravation.
Just as a note, just because you are kegging doesn't mean you can't also
bottle. If you buy or build a counter-pressure bottle filler, you can easily fill
bottles from the keg. It gives the advantage of easy carbonation level adjustment
force-carbonate, and bulk-consumption of "session-beers" from the keg, and less yeast
in the bottle with what you do decide to bottle. I generally bottle the last gallon
or so of "unusual" brews to save some for later, give away, and free up another keg.
-Cory
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 15:29:46
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 22:56:05 -0800, <fakeemail@null.com > wrote:
> I just finished bottling my first batch and well... I think it kinda sucks
> to go through the whole process of boiling, sanitizing, pitching ( I used a
> starter), waiting, racking, waiting, boiling caps, boiling priming sugar,
> transfering to a bottling bucket, cleaning and sanitizing bottles, filling
> bottles, and capping all those bottles (did I forget something?) only to end
> up with 8'ish six packs of good beer. Not to mention all the clean-up.
Kegs!!! ;)
It's the same amount of beer, but kegging is a *lot* less work than bottling.
The equipment is a bit pricey though.
> Don't
> get me wrong, I truly enjoy all the processes and it's not enough to make me
> want to quit brewing. I just had a simple idea of doing a full 5 gal boil
> with double the ingredients and then splitting the wort into two separate
> fermenters and then topping them both off to 5 gal each making a total of 10
> gal in one boil. That way every step is doubled but the end result is 16'ish
> six packs instead of 8.
I'm assuming you brew extract? Yeah, that should work fine. Lots of us do
10 gallon batches, it's basically twice the beer for about the same amount
of work as a 5 gallon batch. On our level, you can just scale things
linearly. IE in order to double the batch size you just double the
ingredients. It doesn't work out quite that easily for commercial brewing,
but it works fine for homebrew.
> I've heard of others doing partial boils and topping
> up to 5 gal successfully but what taste difference should I expect if any
> from splitting up a full boil this way.
You may get some extra darkening of the wort during the boil. Your hop
utilization will also go down a bit, meaning you won't get quite the same
amount of bitterness out of the hops. A recipe program should help you
figure out what the difference is so that you can compensate. It's probably
something low, like around 10%.
> Also, since all my brew stuff is now
> clean and empty and ready for a new brew if anyone has a good recipe for a
> pale ale using the 10 gal method please pass it on. I'm looking for a good
> "house" brew type. Oh yea, right now I'm only doing extract and steep
> brewing due to lack of equipment/knowledge to do anything else. Thanks, Tony
You should be able to use any recipe you want to, just double the
ingredients.
John.
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 20:33:11
From: Tony M
Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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"John 'Shaggy' Kolesar" <spam@shagg.net > wrote in message
news:slrnel19s4.op2.spam@weizen.shagg.net...
> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 22:56:05 -0800, <fakeemail@null.com> wrote:
>> I just finished bottling my first batch and well... I think it kinda
>> sucks
>> to go through the whole process of boiling, sanitizing, pitching ( I
>> used a
>> starter), waiting, racking, waiting, boiling caps, boiling priming sugar,
>> transfering to a bottling bucket, cleaning and sanitizing bottles,
>> filling
>> bottles, and capping all those bottles (did I forget something?) only to
>> end
>> up with 8'ish six packs of good beer. Not to mention all the clean-up.
>
> Kegs!!! ;)
>
> It's the same amount of beer, but kegging is a *lot* less work than
> bottling.
> The equipment is a bit pricey though.
>
>> Don't
>> get me wrong, I truly enjoy all the processes and it's not enough to make
>> me
>> want to quit brewing. I just had a simple idea of doing a full 5 gal boil
>> with double the ingredients and then splitting the wort into two separate
>> fermenters and then topping them both off to 5 gal each making a total of
>> 10
>> gal in one boil. That way every step is doubled but the end result is
>> 16'ish
>> six packs instead of 8.
>
> I'm assuming you brew extract? Yeah, that should work fine. Lots of us
> do
> 10 gallon batches, it's basically twice the beer for about the same amount
> of work as a 5 gallon batch. On our level, you can just scale things
> linearly. IE in order to double the batch size you just double the
> ingredients. It doesn't work out quite that easily for commercial
> brewing,
> but it works fine for homebrew.
>
>> I've heard of others doing partial boils and topping
>> up to 5 gal successfully but what taste difference should I expect if any
>> from splitting up a full boil this way.
>
> You may get some extra darkening of the wort during the boil. Your hop
> utilization will also go down a bit, meaning you won't get quite the same
> amount of bitterness out of the hops. A recipe program should help you
> figure out what the difference is so that you can compensate. It's
> probably
> something low, like around 10%.
>
Probably the biggest question i have is about hops. Should I double up on
hops like everything else or should I use more or less? What recipe program
do you use? I really have no idea what it takes to make a particular style
of beer. I originally was going to try to mimic MW's Sierra Nevada clone but
their ingredients only say "1 lb specialty grains", but which ones? I've
found alot of recipes on the HBD site that I could probably double up the
ingredients on. Here is a test recipe I made up using a calculator I found
on www.pugetive.com. What do you or everyone think? Too many hops?
MALT AND ADJUNCTS
MALT CALCULATIONS lb(s) oz(s) Light/Pale Malt Extract Syrup
lb(s) oz(s) Alexander's Wheat Extract
lb(s) oz(s) Light Dry Malt Extract
lb(s) oz(s) English Crystal, 50-60 L
lb(s) oz(s) Chocolate Malt
IN FERMENTOR GALLONS
ORIGINAL GRAVITY:
1.058 (1.052 TO 1.061)
COLOR:
Dark Amber to Copper
ALCOHOL (ABV):
5.5% (4.5 to 6.1 %)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HOP ADDITIONS
HOP CALCULATIONS
OZS VARIETY AA% BOIL TIME
0.000.1250.250.500.751.001.251.501.752.002.252.502.753.003.253.503.754.004.505.005.506.00
Cascade Pellet Dry0 - 51015203040456075+
0.000.1250.250.500.751.001.251.501.752.002.252.502.753.003.253.503.754.004.505.005.506.00
Cascade Pellet Dry0 - 51015203040456075+
0.000.1250.250.500.751.001.251.501.752.002.252.502.753.003.253.503.754.004.505.005.506.00
Perle Pellet Dry0 - 51015203040456075+
0.000.1250.250.500.751.001.251.501.752.002.252.502.753.003.253.503.754.004.505.005.506.00
Cascade Pellet Dry0 - 51015203040456075+
0.000.1250.250.500.751.001.251.501.752.002.252.502.753.003.253.503.754.004.505.005.506.00
Mount Hood Pellet Dry0 - 51015203040456075+
IN KETTLE GALLONS
HBU's: 9.4
IBU's: 51.8
FLAVOR BALANCE:
MALTY HOPPYSWEET "BALANCED" BITTER
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 20:48:43
From: Tony M
Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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WOW that got messed up. Tried to cut and paste but didn't work! Anyway,
should read:
6 lb light LME
2 lb Wheat extract (Alexanders)
6 lb light DME
1 lb English Crystal, 50-60 L
5 oz choc malt
and
3 oz Cascade Pellet - 5 min
2 oz Perle Pellet - 15 min
2 oz Cascade Pellet - 30 min
2 oz Cascade Pellet - 60 min
2 oz Mount Hood Pellet - 60 min
This would be a 5-6 gal boil split into two then topped off to make a total
10 gallons in two fermenters.
This should be:
HBU's: 9.4
IBU's: 51.8
ORIGINAL GRAVITY:
1.058 (1.052 TO 1.061)
COLOR:
Dark Amber to Copper
ALCOHOL (ABV):
5.5% (4.5 to 6.1 %) Does anyone ahve anything to take away or add? I'm
shooting for a Sierra style pale ale. A little darker with a little more
flavor.
Tony
"Tony M" <fakeemail@null.com > wrote in message
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>
> "John 'Shaggy' Kolesar" <spam@shagg.net> wrote in message
> news:slrnel19s4.op2.spam@weizen.shagg.net...
>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 22:56:05 -0800, <fakeemail@null.com> wrote:
>>> I just finished bottling my first batch and well... I think it kinda
>>> sucks
>>> to go through the whole process of boiling, sanitizing, pitching ( I
>>> used a
>>> starter), waiting, racking, waiting, boiling caps, boiling priming
>>> sugar,
>>> transfering to a bottling bucket, cleaning and sanitizing bottles,
>>> filling
>>> bottles, and capping all those bottles (did I forget something?) only to
>>> end
>>> up with 8'ish six packs of good beer. Not to mention all the clean-up.
>>
>> Kegs!!! ;)
>>
>> It's the same amount of beer, but kegging is a *lot* less work than
>> bottling.
>> The equipment is a bit pricey though.
>>
>>> Don't
>>> get me wrong, I truly enjoy all the processes and it's not enough to
>>> make me
>>> want to quit brewing. I just had a simple idea of doing a full 5 gal
>>> boil
>>> with double the ingredients and then splitting the wort into two
>>> separate
>>> fermenters and then topping them both off to 5 gal each making a total
>>> of 10
>>> gal in one boil. That way every step is doubled but the end result is
>>> 16'ish
>>> six packs instead of 8.
>>
>> I'm assuming you brew extract? Yeah, that should work fine. Lots of us
>> do
>> 10 gallon batches, it's basically twice the beer for about the same
>> amount
>> of work as a 5 gallon batch. On our level, you can just scale things
>> linearly. IE in order to double the batch size you just double the
>> ingredients. It doesn't work out quite that easily for commercial
>> brewing,
>> but it works fine for homebrew.
>>
>>> I've heard of others doing partial boils and topping
>>> up to 5 gal successfully but what taste difference should I expect if
>>> any
>>> from splitting up a full boil this way.
>>
>> You may get some extra darkening of the wort during the boil. Your hop
>> utilization will also go down a bit, meaning you won't get quite the same
>> amount of bitterness out of the hops. A recipe program should help you
>> figure out what the difference is so that you can compensate. It's
>> probably
>> something low, like around 10%.
>>
>
> Probably the biggest question i have is about hops. Should I double up on
> hops like everything else or should I use more or less? What recipe
> program do you use? I really have no idea what it takes to make a
> particular style of beer. I originally was going to try to mimic MW's
> Sierra Nevada clone but their ingredients only say "1 lb specialty
> grains", but which ones? I've found alot of recipes on the HBD site that I
> could probably double up the ingredients on. Here is a test recipe I made
> up using a calculator I found on www.pugetive.com. What do you or everyone
> think? Too many hops?
>
> MALT AND ADJUNCTS
> MALT CALCULATIONS lb(s) oz(s) Light/Pale Malt Extract Syrup
> lb(s) oz(s) Alexander's Wheat Extract
> lb(s) oz(s) Light Dry Malt Extract
> lb(s) oz(s) English Crystal, 50-60 L
> lb(s) oz(s) Chocolate Malt
>
>
>
>
> IN FERMENTOR GALLONS
>
>
> ORIGINAL GRAVITY:
> 1.058 (1.052 TO 1.061)
>
>
> COLOR:
> Dark Amber to Copper
>
>
> ALCOHOL (ABV):
> 5.5% (4.5 to 6.1 %)
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> HOP ADDITIONS
> HOP CALCULATIONS
>
> OZS VARIETY AA% BOIL TIME
>
> 0.000.1250.250.500.751.001.251.501.752.002.252.502.753.003.253.503.754.004.505.005.506.00
> Cascade Pellet Dry0 - 51015203040456075+
>
> 0.000.1250.250.500.751.001.251.501.752.002.252.502.753.003.253.503.754.004.505.005.506.00
> Cascade Pellet Dry0 - 51015203040456075+
>
> 0.000.1250.250.500.751.001.251.501.752.002.252.502.753.003.253.503.754.004.505.005.506.00
> Perle Pellet Dry0 - 51015203040456075+
>
> 0.000.1250.250.500.751.001.251.501.752.002.252.502.753.003.253.503.754.004.505.005.506.00
> Cascade Pellet Dry0 - 51015203040456075+
>
> 0.000.1250.250.500.751.001.251.501.752.002.252.502.753.003.253.503.754.004.505.005.506.00
> Mount Hood Pellet Dry0 - 51015203040456075+
>
>
>
>
> IN KETTLE GALLONS
>
>
> HBU's: 9.4
>
>
> IBU's: 51.8
>
>
>
>
>
> FLAVOR BALANCE:
>
> MALTY HOPPYSWEET "BALANCED" BITTER
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Date: 08 Nov 2006 15:58:26
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 20:33:11 -0800, <fakeemail@null.com > wrote:
> Probably the biggest question i have is about hops. Should I double up on
> hops like everything else or should I use more or less?
There are really two different topics here. The first is that you want
to convert a 5 gallon recipe to a 10 gallon one. With everything else
being equal (still doing a full boil, etc) you just double the hops.
However, since you are also talking about doing a partial boil, once you
double the hops for the larger batch size you'll also need to compensate
for the slight drop in utilization due to the smaller relative boil volume.
IOW, you won't get quite as much bitterness from the hops as you would if you
did a full boil. The difference is not huge, so if you really wanted to
you could probably just stick with doubling them and get relatively close.
Personally, I use ProMash as my brewing software. However, there are several
other programs out there. Strangebrew, BeerSmith, etc. With ProMash, and
I assume the others as well, you would plug in your 10 gallon recipe by
doubling all the ingredients, and tell it you are going to do a full boil.
Note what final IBU the program says you'll get. Now go in and just switch
it to doing a partial boil. You'll see the final IBUs drop slightly. Then
you just tweak up the amount of your bitterness addition (the hops that
are in for the full duration of the boil) until the IBUs come back up to what
they were before.
John.
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 14:11:54
From: John Bleichert
Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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Tony M <fakeemail@null.com > wrote:
> I just finished bottling my first batch and well... I think it kinda sucks
> to go through the whole process of boiling, sanitizing, pitching ( I used a
> starter), waiting, racking, waiting, boiling caps, boiling priming sugar,
> transfering to a bottling bucket, cleaning and sanitizing bottles, filling
> bottles, and capping all those bottles (did I forget something?) only to end
> up with 8'ish six packs of good beer. Not to mention all the clean-up. Don't
> get me wrong, I truly enjoy all the processes and it's not enough to make me
> want to quit brewing. I just had a simple idea of doing a full 5 gal boil
> with double the ingredients and then splitting the wort into two separate
> fermenters and then topping them both off to 5 gal each making a total of 10
> gal in one boil. That way every step is doubled but the end result is 16'ish
> six packs instead of 8. I've heard of others doing partial boils and topping
> up to 5 gal successfully but what taste difference should I expect if any
> from splitting up a full boil this way. Also, since all my brew stuff is now
> clean and empty and ready for a new brew if anyone has a good recipe for a
> pale ale using the 10 gal method please pass it on. I'm looking for a good
> "house" brew type. Oh yea, right now I'm only doing extract and steep
> brewing due to lack of equipment/knowledge to do anything else. Thanks, Tony
>
>
For what it's worth, bottling goes a *lot* more quickly if you get
someone else to help. Luckily my excellent and admirable lady friend
has become well-versed in all areas of all-grain brewing, so she helps
a lot. Could probably captain the ship on her own now!
Try to get someone to help out. Bottling/capping takes 1/3 as long with
2 people. Also, don't boil your caps, soak 'em in (say) One-Step for a
few moments. I just throw them in a quart of One-Step and bottle right
from there.
I won't even get into my "sanitizing bottles is for schmuckheads just
clean them thoroughly right before you use them" rant... ;-)
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John Bleichert syborg@earthlink.net
The heat from below can burn your eyes out!!
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 06:08:55
From: strangebrewer
Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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> I don't know that there would be much of a taste difference,
> but you'd be fighting boil-overs like crazy. The more
> concentrated wort would also scorch more easily.
Both of these points are true, but not enough to prevent you from doing
it with a bit of extra effort. For the boil-overs, use a bit of foam
control (or whatever it's called) in the kettle, and be vigilant. For
the second, watch the heat source, and mix well if you're adding extra
sugar or extract to the kettle. People regularly brew barleywines in
the 1.100 range which aren't scorched, so it can be done.
Drew
www.strangebrew.ca
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 14:15:18
From: John Bleichert
Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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strangebrewer <drew.avis@gmail.com > wrote:
>> I don't know that there would be much of a taste difference,
>> but you'd be fighting boil-overs like crazy. The more
>> concentrated wort would also scorch more easily.
>
> Both of these points are true, but not enough to prevent you from doing
> it with a bit of extra effort. For the boil-overs, use a bit of foam
> control (or whatever it's called) in the kettle, and be vigilant.
<snip >
Someone quite a while back (I can't recall who) suggested using a
spray bottle (say a plant mister) with cold water in it to keep down
boil overs. It's an excellent suggestion - just spraying water on the
foam on top of the kettle causes it to disperse. Works like a charm.
-----------------------------------------------
John Bleichert syborg@earthlink.net
The heat from below can burn your eyes out!!
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 15:32:49
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:15:18 GMT, <syborg@earthlink.net > wrote:
> strangebrewer <drew.avis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I don't know that there would be much of a taste difference,
>>> but you'd be fighting boil-overs like crazy. The more
>>> concentrated wort would also scorch more easily.
>>
>> Both of these points are true, but not enough to prevent you from doing
>> it with a bit of extra effort. For the boil-overs, use a bit of foam
>> control (or whatever it's called) in the kettle, and be vigilant.
><snip>
>
> Someone quite a while back (I can't recall who) suggested using a
> spray bottle (say a plant mister) with cold water in it to keep down
> boil overs. It's an excellent suggestion - just spraying water on the
> foam on top of the kettle causes it to disperse. Works like a charm.
Yep, I use this trick too. In an emergency (like when you forget where the
spray bottle is and the foam is up to the top) you can get your hand wet
under the faucet and "flick" some water off of your fingers onto the foam
in the kettle. Doesn't work quite as well as the spray bottle, but it's
still effective.
John.
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 15:16:53
From: Eric Scantlebury
Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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"John Bleichert" <syborg@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:Wx04h.3527$0r.567@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Someone quite a while back (I can't recall who) suggested using a
> spray bottle (say a plant mister) with cold water in it to keep down
> boil overs. It's an excellent suggestion - just spraying water on the
> foam on top of the kettle causes it to disperse. Works like a charm.
That's what I do. Works great. Bought 2 spray bottles from family dollar
for a buck each and have one labeled H2O and one labeled StarSan each filled
with that solution. Water works great for the boil over stoppage.
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 08:14:07
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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strangebrewer wrote:
>> I don't know that there would be much of a taste difference,
>> but you'd be fighting boil-overs like crazy. The more
>> concentrated wort would also scorch more easily.
>
> Both of these points are true, but not enough to prevent you from doing
> it with a bit of extra effort. For the boil-overs, use a bit of foam
> control (or whatever it's called) in the kettle, and be vigilant. For
> the second, watch the heat source, and mix well if you're adding extra
> sugar or extract to the kettle. People regularly brew barleywines in
> the 1.100 range which aren't scorched, so it can be done.
>
Just a plug for Foam Control -- it works extremely well. I build starter
wort in a 4 liter Al foil-covered Erlenmeyer flask, and can boil nearly
4 liters in it with no danger of boil over. I use it in the kettle as
well (you only need a few drops). I add it just as the contents are
coming to a boil.
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 15:35:20
From: John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 08:14:07 -0600, <mikey666@666swampgas.666com > wrote:
> Just a plug for Foam Control -- it works extremely well. I build starter
> wort in a 4 liter Al foil-covered Erlenmeyer flask, and can boil nearly
> 4 liters in it with no danger of boil over.
Sometimes you read an idea so simple you think "why the heck did that never
occur to me". ;)
Thanks for the suggestion. I don't have problems with my kettle boil, but
I've always had trouble with foaming in my erlenmeyer flask starters. I
need to get some of this stuff and keep it around.
John.
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 17:07:07
From: the Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 08:14:07 -0600, <mikey666@666swampgas.666com> wrote:
>> Just a plug for Foam Control -- it works extremely well. I build starter
>> wort in a 4 liter Al foil-covered Erlenmeyer flask, and can boil nearly
>> 4 liters in it with no danger of boil over.
>
> Sometimes you read an idea so simple you think "why the heck did that never
> occur to me". ;)
>
> Thanks for the suggestion. I don't have problems with my kettle boil, but
> I've always had trouble with foaming in my erlenmeyer flask starters. I
> need to get some of this stuff and keep it around.
>
>
> John.
The cool thing is that if you just use it for boilover control, then a
small bottle of the stuff will last you 10 years, since you only use a
few drops.
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 18:15:21
From: Bart Goddard
Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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mikey666@666swampgas.666com wrote:
> Just a plug for Foam Control -- it works extremely well.
I have never heard of this "Foam Control". What is it, and
how poison is it?
B.
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 17:11:24
From: the Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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Bart Goddard wrote:
> mikey666@666swampgas.666com wrote:
>
>> Just a plug for Foam Control -- it works extremely well.
>
> I have never heard of this "Foam Control". What is it, and
> how poison is it?
It's awesome, yet deadly. Like a large viper.
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 13:19:38
From: Bart Goddard
Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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fakeemail@null.com wrote:
> That way every step is doubled but the end
> result is 16'ish six packs instead of 8.
I don't know that there would be much of a taste difference,
but you'd be fighting boil-overs like crazy. The more
concentrated wort would also scorch more easily.
Bart
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 12:52:55
From: mike vore
Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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Don't think of this as a Full 5 Gal boil. Think of it as a Partial Volume
Boil, and you'll end up with the same taste as doing a 2.5 G boil and topping
up to 5. I'm not sure of the taste difference, I have a 7G boil kettle and
only make 5Gs at a time (full volume boil).
Tony M wrote:
> ...
>
> I just had a simple idea of doing a full 5 gal boil
> with double the ingredients and then splitting the wort into two separate
> fermenters and then topping them both off to 5 gal each making a total of 10
> gal in one boil. That way every step is doubled but the end result is 16'ish
> six packs instead of 8. I've heard of others doing partial boils and topping
> up to 5 gal successfully but what taste difference should I expect if any
> from splitting up a full boil this way. Also, since all my brew stuff is now
> clean and empty and ready for a new brew if anyone has a good recipe for a
> pale ale using the 10 gal method please pass it on. I'm looking for a good
> "house" brew type. Oh yea, right now I'm only doing extract and steep
> brewing due to lack of equipment/knowledge to do anything else. Thanks, Tony
>
>
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 07:47:36
From: Dan Logcher
Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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Tony M wrote:
> I just finished bottling my first batch and well... I think it kinda sucks
> to go through the whole process of boiling, sanitizing, pitching ( I used a
> starter), waiting, racking, waiting, boiling caps, boiling priming sugar,
> transfering to a bottling bucket, cleaning and sanitizing bottles, filling
> bottles, and capping all those bottles (did I forget something?) only to end
> up with 8'ish six packs of good beer. Not to mention all the clean-up. Don't
> get me wrong, I truly enjoy all the processes and it's not enough to make me
> want to quit brewing. I just had a simple idea of doing a full 5 gal boil
> with double the ingredients and then splitting the wort into two separate
> fermenters and then topping them both off to 5 gal each making a total of 10
> gal in one boil. That way every step is doubled but the end result is 16'ish
> six packs instead of 8. I've heard of others doing partial boils and topping
> up to 5 gal successfully but what taste difference should I expect if any
> from splitting up a full boil this way. Also, since all my brew stuff is now
> clean and empty and ready for a new brew if anyone has a good recipe for a
> pale ale using the 10 gal method please pass it on. I'm looking for a good
> "house" brew type. Oh yea, right now I'm only doing extract and steep
> brewing due to lack of equipment/knowledge to do anything else. Thanks, Tony
You may have a hard time making both batches that you've split even gravity.
What if you kegged, carbonated, then bottled with the beer gun or something?
That would take out the some of the waiting and boil priming sugar.
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 22:29:41
From: Dick Adams
Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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Tony M <fakeemail@null.com > wrote:
> I just finished bottling my first batch and well... I think it kinda sucks
> to go through the whole process of boiling, sanitizing, pitching ( I used a
> starter), waiting, racking, waiting, boiling caps, boiling priming sugar,
> transfering to a bottling bucket, cleaning and sanitizing bottles, filling
> bottles, and capping all those bottles (did I forget something?) only to end
> up with 8'ish six packs of good beer. Not to mention all the clean-up. Don't
> get me wrong, I truly enjoy all the processes and it's not enough to make me
> want to quit brewing. I just had a simple idea of doing a full 5 gal boil
> with double the ingredients and then splitting the wort into two separate
> fermenters and then topping them both off to 5 gal each making a total of 10
> gal in one boil. That way every step is doubled but the end result is 16'ish
> six packs instead of 8. I've heard of others doing partial boils and topping
> up to 5 gal successfully but what taste difference should I expect if any
> from splitting up a full boil this way. Also, since all my brew stuff is now
> clean and empty and ready for a new brew if anyone has a good recipe for a
> pale ale using the 10 gal method please pass it on. I'm looking for a good
> "house" brew type. Oh yea, right now I'm only doing extract and steep
> brewing due to lack of equipment/knowledge to do anything else.
If you are extract brewing, you can always use pre-hopped kits
which don't require a boil. Someone gave me a Munton's Bock
Beer kit w/o the DME. The kit makes 5 gallons. I was somewhat
surprised when the instructions indicated boiling 6 pints of
water to be added to the fermenter to mix the LME and the DME.
But if you are using unhopped LME and have a 6 to 7 gal kettle,
I say "go for it!" - but stay next to it stirring and preventing
boil overs. I make a 10 gal batch of Arrogant Bastard Ale and
split it into two fermenters and had OG's of like 1.09 and 1.092
so expect to have different OG's.
If you do it, please tell us your experience.
Dick
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Date: 08 Nov 2006 14:55:19
From: John Krehbiel
Subject: Re: 5 gal boil to 10 gal of beer?
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John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote:
(snip)
> Personally, I use ProMash as my brewing software. However, there are several
> other programs out there. Strangebrew, BeerSmith, etc. With ProMash, and
> I assume the others as well, you would plug in your 10 gallon recipe by
> doubling all the ingredients, and tell it you are going to do a full boil.
> Note what final IBU the program says you'll get. Now go in and just switch
> it to doing a partial boil. You'll see the final IBUs drop slightly. Then
> you just tweak up the amount of your bitterness addition (the hops that
> are in for the full duration of the boil) until the IBUs come back up to what
> they were before.
>
>
> John.
That's about what I did a few weeks ago. I doubled my recipe for mild
ale and entered the whole thing in Strangebrew as a five gallon batch.
I mixed the 7 gallons pre-boil volume well, then separated it into two
pots, and boiled each with different hops, just to experiment. After
the boil I diluted each to 5 gal. as I would have with an extract batch.
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